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The first living thing could not have come into being by random chance, therefore, God Almighty created all things. Just 1 proof.

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
What exited 1 trillion years before the Big Bang?
If something existed 1 trillion years before the Big Bang, where did it come from?
If not what caused the Big Bang?

If you truly believe that evolution is false and can't be defended, then why do you pose such questions if not to troll those who disagree with you?
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
What is sad is that he is clearly not an idiot. One might feel justified in calling him that, but he could learn if he got over the fear that a lifetime of indoctrination can force onto someone. I am not religious, but the people that decide to become "Jedi's" might have a point: "Fear leads to suffering".

I know from personal experience that abandoning a sincerely held belief in God and Christian indoctrination can be frightening. I believed in God for forty years, so it was frightening to me, but I eventually learned how to think for myself and how to stand on my own two feet. I've also learned that I don't need to believe in God in order to be a good person, make moral decisions, and take care of myself and my family. I don't need to believe in God anymore.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
What exited 1 trillion years before the Big Bang?
If something existed 1 trillion years before the Big Bang, where did it come from?
If not what caused the Big Bang?
The so called "big bang" is a theory based on the observation of an expanding universe. If the universe expands and contracts cyclically over long periods of time, then BB theory will be out to pasture.

The time status of Paradise is absolute, never beginning, never ending.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
There were alive before the flood and many died and were buried during the flood. And some of those became fossils.

The boiled to death shows a lack of understanding the miraculous power of the Almighty. God kept that from happening.

Read about Christ turning water to wine. A miracle which also would have had a large temperature change.
God can violate any natural law at all. That is why it is called a miracle. The no God assumption trips many up.

When determining the age of the earth and the universe or whether man evolved from primitive life forms, Atheistic Origin "science" uses the no God assumption.

The No God Assumption used by Atheistic Origin Science is that there is no God or He has done nothing miraculous in the last 6000 years.

Why would anyone who believes in Jesus Christ be conned into such thinking.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. - Psalm 14:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. - Psalm 53:1

Don't be conned by The No God Assumption used by Atheistic Origin Science .
Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.

The flood, if it would have occured as mentioned, would have boiled every living thing to death.
Physics.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.

The flood, if it would have occured as mentioned, would have boiled every living thing to death.
Physics.
And you do not understand what a miracle is.
With God all things are possible.

There are many miracles in the Bible that of course violated the laws of nature. 6 day creation is the biggest one.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
And you do not understand what a miracle is.
With God all things are possible.

There are many miracles in the Bible that of course violated the laws of nature. 6 day creation is the biggest one.
Sure, sure....

When proposed events turn out physically impossible, just invoke "magic". That solves it.

:shrug:


IOW: literally nothing can change your mind. No matter how much evidence is thrown at you that you are wrong or that other mutually exclusive ideas are correct... none of it matters. You just get to invoke "magic" and wave it all away. This puts you in an impossible position to argue about / for / against anything at all. It renders all of your "arguments", claims,... completely useless.

No matter what the evidence presented is, you feel like you get to just shrug your shoulders and say "magic occured".

So that's that then.... no point in having any conversation with you at all, about anything.
Every time you are shown wrong / absurd, you'll just claim "magic occured". One can't have an intelligent / honest / open conversation with a mind like that.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Sure, sure....

When proposed events turn out physically impossible, just invoke "magic". That solves it.

:shrug:


IOW: literally nothing can change your mind. No matter how much evidence is thrown at you that you are wrong or that other mutually exclusive ideas are correct... none of it matters. You just get to invoke "magic" and wave it all away. This puts you in an impossible position to argue about / for / against anything at all. It renders all of your "arguments", claims,... completely useless.

No matter what the evidence presented is, you feel like you get to just shrug your shoulders and say "magic occured".

So that's that then.... no point in having any conversation with you at all, about anything.
Every time you are shown wrong / absurd, you'll just claim "magic occured". One can't have an intelligent / honest / open conversation with a mind like that.
Read about the stunning failure of the already disproved Big Bang theory. There should be 2 articles at that link. Scroll down for the second/

 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Read about the stunning failure of the already disproved Big Bang theory. There should be 2 articles at that link. Scroll down for the second/

No amount of false ideas in science is going to make your magic claims correct or plausible.

There is only one way to advance a claim and that is to provide verifiable positive evidence FOR that claim.
Trying to poke holes in rivalling ideas, even if succesfull, does nothing to advance some other claim.

All you are doing is building a gigantic fallacy from ignorance.
That, coupled with an assumed conclusion.

Logical fallacies are not a proper way to argue your case.



I'm sorry that you can't seem to comprehend that.


Just to be extra clear here: if you succesfully disprove EVERY SINGLE scientific theory....
That doesn't support creationism in any way. It ONLY disproves the scientific theories.

You 'ld still have to actually demonstrate / provide evidence in support FOR your own claims.

Once again, arguing from ignorance is a logical fallacy.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
The first living creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

A first living creature would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,300,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.Where would such an amount of amino acids even occur in nature to even make a first creature? They must be in very near proximity to where the first creature came to be. In water they would immediately diluted and chemical reactions would destroy it. And above ground or in space, it would be destroyed by the the sunlight. So the first creature is impossible.

If such a great miracle did occur, the poor creature will not survive long at all. It is not protected from its environment. Chemical reactions will begin to destroy it within seconds. Which is just another problem. It would take too long to assemble itself. Destruction will happen faster than construction.
The poor creature cannot feed itself. It will also not be able to repair itself.
It will not be able to have any offspring. So it could never exist. So even if it did come into existence, it would die quickly and could not have offspring

And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.

That is impossible to have happened by random chance.
Therefore, God created all things.

A simple elegant proof.
Assume no God. Show the contradictions. Therefore, God exists.
The proof that the Bible is the true word of God is also easy.

The atheists have been deceived into believing that the first creature could come into existence by random chance.
Never has been observed. Simple analysis shows it is impossible. There is no record that it ever did.
So, the evolutionist has the burden of proof.
These are only your personal opinions, you have no proof that these things are impossible. Perhaps the existence of whatever it is you call God is impossible.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
No amount of false ideas in science is going to make your magic claims correct or plausible.

There is only one way to advance a claim and that is to provide verifiable positive evidence FOR that claim.
Trying to poke holes in rivalling ideas, even if succesfull, does nothing to advance some other claim.

All you are doing is building a gigantic fallacy from ignorance.
That, coupled with an assumed conclusion.

Logical fallacies are not a proper way to argue your case.



I'm sorry that you can't seem to comprehend that.


Just to be extra clear here: if you succesfully disprove EVERY SINGLE scientific theory....
That doesn't support creationism in any way. It ONLY disproves the scientific theories.

You 'ld still have to actually demonstrate / provide evidence in support FOR your own claims.

Once again, arguing from ignorance is a logical fallacy.
Again what a defecltion and subtle false accusation. I am not against real science. I love real science. I am against false science like evolution and billions of years.

And what about the articles that show that the big bang theory is just a big bust.

 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
And you do not understand what a miracle is.
With God all things are possible.

There are many miracles in the Bible that of course violated the laws of nature. 6 day creation is the biggest one.
By definition, miracles do not require God. Perhaps the first living thing/things were the result of miracles. (2 can play that game)
 
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