The first living thing could not have come into being by random chance, therefore, God Almighty created all things. Just 1 proof.

[McBell]

The god of Abraham is ruled out by the fact that the things it is said to have done didn't happen. If there's a god, it isn't the one described as having created the universe in six days, creating the kinds and the first two humans, confounding humanity with families of mutually incomprehensible languages, or flooding the earth. You know what happened. If there's is a god, it did that, not all of these things that never happened.

Others have tried to mitigate that argument by arguing that one is not to believe the stories - to treat them as allegories rather than actual historical accounts and then the god can come alive. Well, yeah, if we can change the meaning of words, we can make the claims not incorrect, but then they words describe another god or no god.

This is how the Christians argue that Jesus is the prophesied Hebrew messiah and Jesus are the same person - they simply redefine the meaning of the words of prophecy. Mortal human? It doesn't really mean that. A demigod fulfills prophecy. Radically changed the world in his lifetime? That's Jesus all right - the greatest reformer of all time notwithstanding the apparent fact that without Paul and Constantine, this religion would likely not be remembered after the first century CE except perhaps in scholarly works.

Do you find a flaw in this argument?

Simply pointing out holes in a belief in God does not "empirically rule out" the existence of said god.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well that is news to God or not

It is not news to God, since God is the one who has made it impossible to prove His existence....

The only way we could have proof that God exists is if God proved it in some manner.
If God wanted to prove that He exists He could easily do so, but instead all God offers is evidence.

God does not prove He exists is because God wants our faith. If God proved He exists then we would no longer need faith because we would know for a fact that God exists. So, it makes logical sense to me why there is no proof that God exists, because God wants us to believe on faith and evidence.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

Believing in God requires faith since no man has ever seen God. Then we go looking for the evidence. I believe that God will reward those who earnestly seek Him by helping them find the evidence they need to believe.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

It is not news to God, since God is the one who has made it impossible to prove His existence....

The only way we could have proof that God exists is if God proved it in some manner.
If God wanted to prove that He exists He could easily do so, but instead all God offers is evidence.

God does not prove He exists is because God wants our faith. If God proved He exists then we would no longer need faith because we would know for a fact that God exists. So, it makes logical sense to me why there is no proof that God exists, because God wants us to believe on faith and evidence.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

Believing in God requires faith since no man has ever seen God. Then we go looking for the evidence. I believe that God will reward those who earnestly seek Him by helping them find the evidence they need to believe.

God says that anyone who denies His existence is without excuse.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:18-22

 

[Dan From Smithville]

If my hypothesis is correct all postings will cease in about 2 days. Then in another 2 days we will have a new user creating numerous threads along the same lines.

Very close to my predictions as well.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

God says that anyone who denies His existence is without excuse.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:18-22

What does He say about what you are doing?

The evidence does not support your claimed use and knowledge of science. Your lockstep approach to the Bible could be seen as deification of the Bible. I don't see any evidence you listen to anyone or consider what they say other than to tell them they are wrong by fiat and declare victory. You make claims, but try to force others to support them. The volume of claims you dump on here in a single post is executed incoherently and in a way that seems to be an attempt to overwhelm others into silence and submission rather than to stimulate debate or discussion. That seems to be against free will in my opinion and not at all what God wants or He wouldn't have given free will out according to my beliefs.

I see no correlation between accepting what I consider to be the reality of God's creation and denial of God at the same time.

 

[Kfox]

Evolution is the Theory of Nothing because they cannot answer some very simple questions.

Where did the universe come from?

If the explanation is the Bing Bang

Evolution is about change in the gene pool which has nothing to do with the Universe.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Evolution is about change in the gene pool which has nothing to do with the Universe.

And where did the gene pool come from?
Not by evolution.

 

[Kfox]

Evolution not about how things originated it’s about how something that already existed changed/evolved into something different. Bruh you need to learn about things before dismissing them

 

[McBell]

And where did the gene pool come from?
Not by evolution.

 

[Trailblazer]

God says that anyone who denies His existence is without excuse.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Those verses are about ungodliness and unrighteousness. Nonbelievers are not necessarily ungodly or unrighteous.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen by some but not all people.
What does it mean that they are without excuse? Do you think that means that God will not forgive them?

According to my beliefs God is the Ever-Forging, so God can forgive anyone He chooses to forgive. If man was without sin, how could God be the Concealer of men's sins?

"My God, my God! If none be found to stray from Thy path, how, then, can the ensign of Thy mercy be unfurled, or the banner of Thy bountiful favor be hoisted? And if iniquity be not committed, what is it that can proclaim Thee to be the Concealer of men’s sins, the Ever-Forgiving, the Omniscient, the All-Wise?" Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 310​

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Those verses are about ungodliness and unrighteousness. Nonbelievers are not necessarily ungodly or unrighteous.

The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen by some but not all people.
What does it mean that they are without excuse? Do you think that means that God will not forgive them?

According to my beliefs God is the Ever-Forging, so God can forgive anyone He chooses to forgive. If man was without sin, how could God be the Concealer of men's sins?

"My God, my God! If none be found to stray from Thy path, how, then, can the ensign of Thy mercy be unfurled, or the banner of Thy bountiful favor be hoisted? And if iniquity be not committed, what is it that can proclaim Thee to be the Concealer of men’s sins, the Ever-Forgiving, the Omniscient, the All-Wise?" Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 310​

If they do not believe that God exists, then God sends them to the lake of fire forever

 

[Trailblazer]

If they do not believe that God exists, then God sends them to the lake of fire forever

The lake of fire is not a place people go to. It is only an allegory for hell, which is remoteness from God.
Hell is a state of the soul who is distant from God. God does not send anyone to hell, people send themselves by their own choices.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

The lake of fire is not a place people go to. It is only an allegory for hell, which is remoteness from God.
Hell is a state of the soul who is distant from God. God does not send anyone to hell, people send themselves by their own choices.

actually hell is cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Trailblazer]

actually hell is cast into the lake of fire.

Do you have any Bible verses that support that belief?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Do you have any Bible verses that support that belief?

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. - Rev 20:14

 

[Trailblazer]

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. - Rev 20:14

Like all verses, that verse is subject to more than one interpretation. It also needs to be understood in context.

Rev 20​

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.​

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.​

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

​

Much, perhaps most, of the Book of Revelation is symbolic, not literal. There is no lake that has flames of fire burning in it.
The first death is our physical death. The second death is spiritual death. Spiritual death is hell since it is distance from God.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Like all verses, that verse is subject to more than one interpretation. It also needs to be understood in context.

Rev 20​

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.​

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.​

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.​

​

Much, perhaps most, of the Book of Revelation is symbolic, not literal. There is no lake that has flames of fire burning in it.
The first death is our physical death. The second death is spiritual death. Spiritual death is hell since it is distance from God.

But the spirit does not die. People are body, soul and spirit. and there is no death of the spirit.
Also the damned are resurrected before they are cast into the lake of fire. So who knows what part is tormented forever. Surely the spirit though

 

[F1fan]

And where did the gene pool come from?

Natural causes. That is all we observe in the universe, nature doing its thing.

Where is your God hiding? Why is it all you can point to is stories in an old book, and interpret in ways that even the Jews know better than to do? You still haven't explained why you assume your interpretation is better than the Jews. Or scholars.

You claim your God created everything, but you never answered why your God created cancers that kill children. Or mosquitos.

 

[F1fan]

God says that anyone who denies His existence is without excuse.

Assuming the text is literally true. Can you prove it is? Why is your God absent?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Natural causes. That is all we observe in the universe, nature doing its thing.

Where is your God hiding? Why is it all you can point to is stories in an old book, and interpret in ways that even the Jews know better than to do? You still haven't explained why you assume your interpretation is better than the Jews. Or scholars.

You claim your God created everything, but you never answered why your God created cancers that kill children. Or mosquitos.

Nature doing its thing? Does it think things out?

God has given ample evidence of His existence. Rose from the dead.