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The flood

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
Then you better pull your head out the sand, or wherever else it may currently be residing, and research the PROOF that has been presented (by learned men of science) for at least one hundred years (which is continually being added to daily). Evidence that presents irrefutable proof that evolution is a nothing more than a fiendish religious cult.

Really? would you care to divulge this evidence?
 

Bereanz

Active Member
If there was scientific evidence that ToE was wrong then yes I would, because that is how science works. If a theory is falsified it is discarded.

But how about you show how the some of those items in your list are show inadequacies of uniformitarianism?

If you publically apologise for calling me a liar, I might. If not...dream on. Currently I don't see you as someone to debate with, I see you as an enemy of the faith of Christianity. A wolf in tigers clothing! It's that obvious.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
If you publically apologise for calling me a liar, I might. If not...dream on. Currently I don't see you as someone to debate with, I see you as an enemy of the faith of Christianity. A wolf in tigers clothing! It's that obvious.

The phrase is, wolf in sheeps clothing. Tiger's can be pretty dangerous too.
 

Bereanz

Active Member
Really? would you care to divulge this evidence?


You havent answered the question that preceeded this statement. But the evidence is already out there, you guys only demonstate that you have already rejected it.

"Science" admitted decades ago, the tools they where using as Evidence for proving evolution where inadequate and inconclusive. You guys are cult members, not scientists. Your text is propoganda not science.
 
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Tristesse

Well-Known Member
You havent answered the question that preceeded this statement. But the evidence is already out their, you guys only demonstaret that you have laready rejected it.

"Science" admitted decades ago, the tools they where using as Evidenve for proving evolution where inadequateand inconclusive. You guys are cult members, not scientists. Your text is propoganda not science.

What question? Would you mind re-stating the question? I don't remember you asking me a question.
 

David M

Well-Known Member
If you publically apologise for calling me a liar, I might. If not...dream on. Currently I don't see you as someone to debate with, I see you as an enemy of the faith of Christianity. A wolf in tigers clothing! It's that obvious.

In other words you don't have any of this scientific evidence that you were talking about, and you are still dodging the question on your uniformitarianism claims.

And aren't you forgetting your inability to find this supposed publication by the French Academy of Science, produce that with an explanation of at least some of these "51 facts" and you might get an apology on that matter.

Unless you start providing more than facile assertions the only conclusion anyone can draw is that all you are doing is parroting the usual falsehoods and malicious ignorance promulgated by most YECs.
 

Bereanz

Active Member
What question? Would you mind re-stating the question? I don't remember you asking me a question.
Yes I do mind. You're good at making comments on posts I've made to others, so obviously you read what I'm saying. Go back and read it agian.
 

Bereanz

Active Member
In other words you don't have any of this scientific evidence that you were talking about, and you are still dodging the question on your uniformitarianism claims.

And aren't you forgetting your inability to find this supposed publication by the French Academy of Science, produce that with an explanation of at least some of these "51 facts" and you might get an apology on that matter.

Unless you start providing more than facile assertions the only conclusion anyone can draw is that all you are doing is parroting the usual falsehoods and malicious ignorance promulgated by most YECs.

Listen Tiger, the OP is a facile assertion that the line drawing proves Evolution, so when I see more than facile assertions from you're camp and less of the vile attitudes, I'll stop mincing about with you mincers.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
Listen Tiger, the OP is a facile assertion that the line drawing proves Evolution, so when I see more than facile assertions from you're camp and less of the vile attitudes, I'll stop mincing about with you mincers.

The flood an evolution don't exactly have much in common. This is the third time i've said this.
 

AntEmpire

Active Member
The word for land and world are the same/similar in the original texts. So was it a flood of the world or a flood of the land?

I saw a good theory that Noah was a merchant, who had a boat with livestock and his family, then there was a large flood, his family survived and his heathen boat-less neighbors died. Add years and it becomes a taller tale about rainbows and a world flood. Made sense to me anyway
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The word for land and world are the same/similar in the original texts. So was it a flood of the world or a flood of the land?

I saw a good theory that Noah was a merchant, who had a boat with livestock and his family, then there was a large flood, his family survived and his heathen boat-less neighbors died. Add years and it becomes a taller tale about rainbows and a world flood. Made sense to me anyway

that I could believe

if that was the case though it would be more proof of the fiction contained in genesis
 

Bereanz

Active Member
The flood an evolution don't exactly have much in common. This is the third time i've said this.

Fossil Grave yards

Why are fish fossil's found on Mountain peaks? (Flood that covered the whole earth)

How could 800,000 million skeltons of vertabrate animals be entombed together in the Karroo formation (South Africa?) (Catastrophic flood)

How and why were five million mammoths of siberia frozen to death in solid ice? (Flood)

How is it that in the water-laid "bone-bed" at Agate Springs, Nebraska, fossil are found of rhinocerous, camel, giant boar, and numerous other animals not indigenous to America? (Flood Deluge)

All of the above phenomena refute Uniformitarianism and point to the extreme possibilty of the world wide deluge for their cause. (oh I better qualify that remark: To a rational sane mind, that is)
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
please get a real education


NPS: Nature & Science» Geology Resources Division

Provenance study of the Late Triassic - Early Jurassic Elliot Formation, main Karoo Basin, South Africa -- Bordy et al. 107 (4): 587 -- South African Journal of Geology

if all of the fossils of animals in the Karroo Formation had been alive at one time, were drowned during the flood of Noah, and ended up evenly spaced around the entire land surface of the earth, there would be 21 animals per acre. 2 A very conservative estimate is that there are about 100 fossils elsewhere on earth for each fossil in the Karroo Formation in Africa. Thus, assuming that all of these animals were evenly distributed, there would have been over 2,100 living animals per acre of land - "ranging from tiny shrews to immense dinosaurs" when the flood hit. This is clearly impossible.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/oldearth2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth

Another theory suggests that mammoths may have fallen victim to an infectious disease. A combination of climate change and hunting by humans has been suggested as the most likely explanation for their extinction.



that took 5 minutes to bust your myth
 
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Bereanz

Active Member
please get a real education

NPS: Nature & Science» Geology Resources Division

Provenance study of the Late Triassic - Early Jurassic Elliot Formation, main Karoo Basin, South Africa -- Bordy et al. 107 (4): 587 -- South African Journal of Geology

if all of the fossils of animals in the Karroo Formation had been alive at one time, were drowned during the flood of Noah, and ended up evenly spaced around the entire land surface of the earth, there would be 21 animals per acre. 2 A very conservative estimate is that there are about 100 fossils elsewhere on earth for each fossil in the Karroo Formation in Africa. Thus, assuming that all of these animals were evenly distributed, there would have been over 2,100 living animals per acre of land - "ranging from tiny shrews to immense dinosaurs" when the flood hit. This is clearly impossible.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/oldearth2.htm
They are not evenly dispersed, nor are the 5 million mammoths which would signify a mass movement in attempt at survival. And what do you mean "IF" all the fossils where alive at some time. Are these people on CRACK? This is one catastrophic event. Not uniformity

This is exactly why it's a waste of time posting evidence.

5 minutes of googling, sheesh thats a bit slow mate. Your education is 5 minutes old. Hah!
 
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AntEmpire

Active Member
that I could believe

if that was the case though it would be more proof of the fiction contained in genesis

Proof that its fiction or proof that it is fiction derived from actual events?

I would say (even as a non-believer) there is always some truth in stories even the garden of eden, I believe it is a story of how man moved from being a hunter-gatherer to being a working agricultural man.
 
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Dan4reason

Facts not Faith
Can I ask you how much you know about all of these topic from a scientific research position, your answer depends on the depth of the explaination. If you have a deep and thorough understanding from a scienitfic basis, you will already know the creationist poistion on all of these topics, it will take me hours to answer fully. The vibe in this place doesnt really warrant that type of effort and commitment from me, given that people here seem to accept your line drawing in this OP as evidence. I can equally claim your line drawing as evidence for the flood. I feel as though my time would be better spent eslewhere. If you are genuine seeker of truth and not a died in the wool brainwashed Evolution zealot, like many in here, I may be persuaded to supply you further information privately. Or possibly even starting another thread.

Not withstanding there are 100s of books available on this topic, how extensive has your reading been of non evolutionary science books? I.E non religious text

You do not have to tell me about all your lines of evidence, maybe one or two. So give me some of your strongest points and argue for them. You must provide evidence for your claims, that is the whole point of this thread.

I am unaware of what uniformitarianism is exactly and what that has got to do with evolution. It seems like different people define it differently. I have a very vague understanding of the "evidence" for the flood.
 
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