The Folly of Atheism

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You only wish...

I do not NEED WISHES-- I have facts ... and all the FACTS agree with my observations.

I'll leave the WISHING to people who believe in MAGIC. Like... you.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No, the word god was never mentioned....

I do not believe you. Not for even a second-- and I'm not talking about your parental units, here...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Other Christians FOUGHT to ABOLISH slavery. Literally..

So? They were going against what the bible teaches-- proving yet again, they were MORE MORAL than the bible.

Where did they get their morality to fight slavery? IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT FROM THE BIBLE!

Who were the genuine Christians ?.

Why don't you ask god? Or Jesus? No? Never an answer?

Well... .there's your problem!

Those who had the honesty to see that the biblical command "Love your neighbour as yourself" is an explicit forbidding of slavery.

Liar. Slaves are not considered neighbors, under the bible.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Saudi Arabia forbids Christianity - no one can take a bible there..

So? You'd LOVE it there-- no nasty atheists asking you awkward questions you cannot answer.

God doesn't send thunderbolts to kill bad people - because if He did so, we'd all have to be Good Puppets.

Yet... in the OT? Countless examples of god smiting people down for the most trivial of reasons....

... those unruly kids-- for calling God's Special Favorite, "old baldy".... eaten by bears... and many more.

Apparently God needs some new EverReady Batteries or something.....

... or maybe? God simply isn't real?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Decline of religion in the West ? - yes, that's good news for religion, as the West is declining (indeed dying).

And its low birth-rate populations are being replaced by fertile (and religious) migrants.

Indeed-- Saudi Arabia would be Heaven to your sorts.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Christianity is a growing religion globally.

The West has ceased to be Christian over this last 300 years .

LMAO! No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy.

And worse? It points to the FACT that your god is a Miserable Failure as a God.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

1) You are blissfully, or perhaps wilfully, ignorant of your own projecting onto others..

Ironic claim-- considering the source...

2) No, the Apostles couldn't have been "honestly mistaken" about Jesus' physical resurrection..

Says YOU. Proof? Not any at all? Right.

3) The story of Abraham and Sara foreshadows - by God's providence and design - the story of Zechariah and Elizabeth..

Proof? No? Not even a single word? Just you-- a NON JEW-- making up stuff about what is NOT EVEN YOUR BOOK? Gotcha.

4) Luke's Gospel is "literature, myth" ? Well, IYO. In the opinion of the world's Christians, it's factual history. You have no grounds for saying otherwise, other than your wish to believe otherwise..

Yes-- it's 100% myth until you show otherwise. Your opinion doesn't matter. Other christians opinions doesn't matter. FACTS, MAN! Do you have any?

But you really do want to keep working on behalf of Islam !

Irony-- considering you would be ever so much happier in Saudi Arabia or other Islamic country.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

IYO.

Not my opinion-- FACT-- until you can corroberate the Magic Bible Myths with outside-- non-bible sources?

It remains MYTH. Just because you don't like it? The Universe Does Not Owe You Otherwise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LMAO! No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy.

And worse? It points to the FACT that your god is a Miserable Failure as a God.

Worse yet it is largely self contradictory.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Really what I meant to say is that the number of times some atheists commit logical fallacies is a very large number.

Yet-- you never manage to explain the ... ahem... "logic" that has failed.

Why is that?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Verifiable evidence constitutes proof, but obviously there is no verifiable evidence for God.

*BOOM* the only logical conclusion you can make as a Sentient? Is that there is therefore? No god at present.

To do otherwise would be to be ... not logical.

 

[Trailblazer]

I do not NEED WISHES-- I have facts ... and all the FACTS agree with my observations.

Oh, you have facts that prove that God does not exist?
YOUR observations do not prove anything except to YOU.

 

[Trailblazer]

I do not believe you. Not for even a second-- and I'm not talking about your parental units, here...

Then who are you talking about Bob?

Why do you think everyone has to talk about God just because you do? Nobody in my family or school talked about God. When my mother put me in a Catholic high school I was scared to death because I had no idea what all this talk was about, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet-- you never manage to explain the ... ahem... "logic" that has failed.

Why is that?

Oh, I have explained it alright.

 

[Trailblazer]

*BOOM* the only logical conclusion you can make as a Sentient? Is that there is therefore? No god at present.

To do otherwise would be to be ... not logical.

No Bob, as I just told my longtime atheist poster on my forum, since we are talking about the soul:

That is correct. Facts cannot prove the existence of the soul, but that does not mean the soul does not exist.

The soul is just like God and the spiritual world. There are no facts that prove that God and the spiritual world exist, but that does not mean they do not exist.

Reality is what exists. Facts do not create reality. Facts are simply what atheists want.

 

[ArtieE]

Facts are simply what atheists want.

What do theists want then if not facts?

 

[Valjean]

Where do the laws of physics come from ? Who or what created them ?

God being the Cause of everything, doesn't Himself need a Cause.

If God doesn't need a cause, why to the laws of physics?
These laws are intrinsic to the universe, they were "created" with the expansion. How it all happened is currently unknown.
There was a time when we couldn't explain earthquakes, lightning or biological diversity, either. We attributed these to the hand of God, as well.
Why do we keep doing this?

With regard to human inventions like autos, we ourselves are playing the part of God, using His laws of physics in the process.

You missed my point. I was commenting on our tendency to attribute to God everything the mechanism of which isn't immediately obvious.

 

[Valjean]

What do theists want then if not facts?

Community. Reassurance. purpose. cosmic significance.

 

[Valjean]

You need to provide a citation; disprove it!

Your's is the extraordinary claim. You are the one claiming 'something.' Atheists have nothing to prove, they make no claims.
You have the burden of proof.

It is obvious that each of us will one day have to meet his or her creator. It is wishful thinking to pretend otherwise.

Not so obvious, not even evidenced, or there would be universal agreement.

 

[Valjean]

The Roman Empire Bronze Age ? The Gospels dating from 300 AD ?

- Just how ignorant are you ?

Yes, the Roman kept slaves - yes, Christianity ended slavery.

No, Christians held slaves just like everyone else, they even used their religion to oppose the godless heathens and "damned yankees" who opposed slavery.
It was liberal socialism, with its peculiar concept of individual human rights, that eventually turned the tide.