The Folly of Atheism

[Srivijaya]

I listed a few in the OP:

Do you believe them yourself?

 

[Srivijaya]

I am not usfan, but there are at least 3:
Through reason and logic.
Through first person non-perceptual experience.
That is unknown.

I don't understand number 3 on your list.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't understand number 3 on your list.

That is unknown, whether there is a God or not.

 

[etong]

I can destroy this thread in two sentences

Which "god"?
What is a "god"?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I can destroy this thread in two sentences

Which "god"?
What is a "god"?

Nice, now I can report that I didn't stop believing in God. What is next?

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet-- your bully-god DID force himself on at least one-- his Special Favorite Spokes-person. To the exclusion of everyone else.

You are wrong about that Bob. My God gave Baha'u'llah a choice as to whether Baha'u'llah would accept His revelation.

Nevermind THAT-- your bully-god will torture forever anyone who refuses to be brow-beaten by "god's special favorite"--- who by all accounts? Was one of the most judgmental, unpleasant and horrible people who ever lived, in a passive-aggressive way, of course.

My God does not torture anyone let alone forever. People create their own hell by choosing to reject God and His Messengers.

 

[Trailblazer]

Let Your God Speak Directly To It's People.

God does not speak directly to anyone, not even to His Messengers. God speaks to His Messengers through the Holy Spirit.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, I had to learn about humans, because I have 3 psychiatric disorders. Don't worry, they are not that "heavy", but I have to learn about how to live with that and I had to learn about morality about as good, because some people kept say to me, that what I did, didn't make sense to them and I could do it better, if I just did as they did. So I have been in hands of professionals, who have taught me a thing or two. But the most I have learned, are by reading books, asking questions in RL and on the Internet and it helps to have a wife, who are both a nursing assistant and social worker.

Welcome to the club.
I have had psychological problems my entire life and my various diagnoses were major depression, dysthymia, PTSD, generalized anxiety disorder, and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Both my parents had depression and anxiety, so my sister and brother also had depression and anxiety. I spent a fair amount of my younger years overcoming all these conditions. Psychotropic drugs only masked the symptoms but I finally got help from homeopathic medicine. I was also in all kinds of therapy and counseling and attended 12 step meetings for about 15 years.

I have overcome most of my psychological problems but I will always have a propensity to depression and anxiety because it is hereditary. I have overcome my OCD and my PTSD for the most part, and PTSD is only triggered on occasion.

My husband was a nurse and he knows a lot about psychological problems since he has also had many of them, given his childhood upbringing.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You are wrong about that Bob. My God gave Baha'u'llah a choice as to whether Baha'u'llah would accept His revelation..

So. Your god COULD talk to ANYONE? Destroys your claim of "perfect" right there, it does.

My God does not torture anyone let alone forever. People create their own hell by choosing to reject God and His Messengers.

LMAO! Who created hell in the first place? You believe your god did-- therefore? Your god is responsible for any and all uses hell may be put to...

Destroys you claim of "perfect" yet again. Also 100% destroys your claim of 'good' -- a good being cannot create such an evil place...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

God does not speak directly to anyone, not even to His Messengers. God speaks to His Messengers through the Holy Spirit.

Destroys you claim of "perfect" ... again.

 

[Trailblazer]

So. Your god COULD talk to ANYONE? Destroys your claim of "perfect" right there, it does.

God could talk to anyone but not anyone could understand God.

LMAO! Who created hell in the first place? You believe your god did-- therefore? Your god is responsible for any and all uses hell may be put to.

God did not create hell, Humans created hell.with their ignorance and evil and selfish thoughts.

“I have looked into hell! I may have to return to that region. I shall be given my choice. Grant that I may be strong enough to offer myself freely. Hell is a thought region. Evil dwells there and works out its purposes. The forces used to hold mankind down in the darkness of ignorance are generated in hell! It is not a place; it is a condition. The human race has created the condition. It has taken millions of years to reach its present state. I dare not tell you what I saw there.... At first I refused to go.... There was no life, no light there. One felt stagnation everywhere. The angel said that was the most insidious kind of hell, stagnation, because no one recognised it as such. Contrary to belief, hell itself, or rather that part of it visited by my brother and the angel, is brilliantly lighted. The light is coarse, artificial. It keeps out the light of God. In this awful glare the angel's light nearly lost its radiance.” Private Dowding, pp. 32-33

 

[Trailblazer]

Destroys you claim of "perfect" ... again.

Lol is all I can say.
Bob defines what is perfect for a God and Bob does not even understand what is wrong with that.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

God could talk to anyone but not anyone could understand God..

LMAO! That is a 100% fail on the part of your god-- it's too full of itself it cannot dial it down?

I can **easily** talk to a 2 year old human-- on the level that a 2 year old can comprehend. It does not destroy the toddler's ego, either... in fact? I find it delightful to rework complicated concepts in such a way the naive 2 year old can get.

This makes me? SUPERIOR TO YOUR GOD IN ABILITY. Wow...

God did not create hell, Humans created hell.with their ignorance and evil and selfish thoughts.
.

Oh. My.

"I did not rape her, Officer-- she raped herself. I was just there in the room with her. I swear!"

 

[Trailblazer]

LMAO! That is a 100% fail on the part of your god-- it's too full of itself it cannot dial it down?

I can **easily** talk to a 2 year old human-- on the level that a 2 year old can comprehend. It does not destroy the toddler's ego, either... in fact? I find it delightful to rework complicated concepts in such a way the naive 2 year old can get.

This makes me? SUPERIOR TO YOUR GOD IN ABILITY. Wow...

Oh. My.

"I did not rape her, Officer-- she raped herself. I was just there in the room with her. I swear!"

I think these conversations are over unless you have something new to say.
There is nothing I can do with your irrational thoughts.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I think these conversations are over unless you have something new to say.
There is nothing I can do with your irrational thoughts.

LOL! Irony duly noted-- you worship a bully, completely irrational "god"...

And in spite of multiple people correcting you on your irrationality? You keep repeating the same failed, disproved non-argument.

Over and over.

And you have the NERVE to call ME irrational?

I suppose I should be flattered, considering the source...

 

[Trailblazer]

LOL! Irony duly noted-- you worship a bully, completely irrational "god"...

And in spite of multiple people correcting you on your irrationality? You keep repeating the same failed, disproved non-argument.

Over and over.

And you have the NERVE to call ME irrational?

I suppose I should be flattered, considering the source...

Multiple atheists who are irrational.
Anyone who thinks they can know more than an All-Knowing God is irrational, because that is impossible.
Case closed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Multiple atheists who are irrational.
Anyone who thinks they can know more than an All-Knowing God is irrational, because that is impossible.
Case closed.

You and I both know that you have not been able to argue rationally for your God. You keep forgetting that it appears that there is no God at all. At least not the God that you claim to worship. You try to claim that your God is just, yet he is just as evil as the God of Islam and Christianity.

Religious beliefs are an irrational belief.

 

[Trailblazer]

You and I both know that you have not been able to argue rationally for your God.

No, I do not know that but you think you know that.
Most atheists think only they are rational.
They say all religious believers are irrational because in their mind we have to be, since we disagree with them about God.

By contrast, I do not say that all atheists are irrational, only some of them.
There are a lot of rational atheists on this forum.
There is nothing irrational about not believing in a God that cannot be proven to exist.

It is when atheists start making up attributes for the god they do not believe in, such as evil and inept or unfair, that I consider them irrational, because they are just projecting their own thoughts and feelings onto the god.
In short, they have expectations of God and when God does not measure up they have a hissy fit. That is childish and irrational. It is sad to see grown adults act this way, and even more sad that they are unaware of it.

How rational is it to think that any human could know more than an All-Knowing God about how to create a world or communicate to humans?

You keep forgetting that it appears that there is no God at all. At least not the God that you claim to worship.

It appears to you that there is no God at all, but it appears to me that there is a God. Even though I cannot see God, the evidence are the footprints God left behind in the sand when He sent Baha'u'llah.

You try to claim that your God is just, yet he is just as evil as the God of Islam and Christianity.

Why is He evil? Why isn't He just?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I do not know that but you think you know that.
Most atheists think only they are rational.
They say all religious believers are irrational because in their mind we have to be, since we disagree with them about God.

By contrast, I do not say that all atheists are irrational, only some of them.
There are a lot of rational atheists on this forum.
There is nothing irrational about not believing in a God that cannot be proven to exist.

It is when atheists start making up attributes for the god they do not believe in, such as evil and inept or unfair, that I consider them irrational, because they are just projecting their own thoughts and feelings onto the god.
In short, they have expectations of God and when God does not measure up they have a hissy fit. That is childish and irrational. It is sad to see grown adults act this way, and even more sad that they are unaware of it.

How rational is it to think that any human could know more than an All-Knowing God about how to create a world or communicate to humans?

Let's try to think logically. Even the dimmest person alive is more intelligent than a being that does not exist. Your God appears not to exist. So please do not use that bogus argument any longer. Either your God does not exist or he is the champion Hide and Go Seek player of all time.

Also any person that can reason rationally can see that your God is evil. Why would anyone worship an evil being?

It appears to you that there is no God at all, but it appears to me that there is a God. Even though I cannot see God, the evidence are the footprints God left behind in the sand when He sent Baha'u'llah.

Do you want to go over that? We did so once before you could not find any rational evidence for your God. All you have is wish fulfillment.

Why is He evil? Why isn't He just?

A God that plays Hide and Go Seek and punishes those that cannot find him is evil. I am sure that people have explained this to you in countless different ways. This is a matter where you cannot afford to reason rationally.

 

[Trailblazer]

Let's try to think logically. Even the dimmest person alive is more intelligent than a being that does not exist. Your God appears not to exist.

God appears that way only to you and other atheists.
God appears to exist to almost all people in the world.

According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists).[5] Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia

That means that 93% of the world population believes in God. 84 percent of the world population has a faith and those faiths all have some kind of Founder, what I refer to as a Messenger.

So please do not use that bogus argument any longer. Either your God does not exist or he is the champion Hide and Go Seek player of all time.

Obviously God is not hiding from everyone since most people believe in God.

Also any person that can reason rationally can see that your God is evil. Why would anyone worship an evil being?

If you are basing that upon the Bible that won't fly, since God did not do all the things that men wrote about in the OT. If you are basing that upon what you see in the world, that evil is attributable to humans, not to God.

Do you want to go over that? We did so once before you could not find any rational evidence for your God. All you have is wish fulfillment.

I have plenty of evidence in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah. Sorry you don't like it.

A God that plays Hide and Go Seek and punishes those that cannot find him is evil. I am sure that people have explained this to you in countless different ways. This is a matter where you cannot afford to reason rationally.

God is not hiding nor does God punish people who do not find Him. I am not a Christian so I do not believe what they believe.

Your condescension is unbecoming. Thank God all atheists do not talk down to believers as if they are superior. You are not. People who tear others down only do that to raise themselves up. It is a sign of insecurity. Atheists who are secure in their non-belief never tell believers they cannot think rationally. They just say they do not believe in god.