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You should read the Bible some day.He doesn't make mistakes Even when we break contract... He hold to His end of the document.
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You should read the Bible some day.He doesn't make mistakes Even when we break contract... He hold to His end of the document.
What would you expect to find (for example, geologically, palaeontologically and archaeologically) if there was a time when all things were perfect?No... since science hasn't discovered all things, nor has it delineated all epochs of time, it cannot determine if there was never a time where all things were never perfect. It would be a statement of faith.
According to Greenland melted recently: High risk of sea level rise today: Long-lost ice core reveals that most of Greenland was green 416,000 years ago , 'A large proportion of Greenland was an ice-free tundra landscape - perhaps covered by trees and roaming woolly mammoths - in the recent geological past.' According to the same website, this ice-free episode occurred between 424,000 and 374,000 years ago, before the evolution of Homo sapiens and far beyond the time-scale of the book of Genesis.In certain epochs, you are correct.
In 60 millenniums, it would be hard pressed to have all information to determine if there was a time when things were different.
For an example:
Scientists stunned to discover plants beneath mile-deep Greenland ice
Scientists found frozen plant fossils, preserved under a mile of ice on Greenland. The discovery helps confirm a new and troubling understanding that the Greenland Ice Sheet has melted entirely during recent warm periods in Earth's history -- like the one we are now creating with human-caused...www.sciencedaily.com
Scientists found frozen plant fossils, preserved under a mile of ice on Greenland. The discovery helps confirm a new and troubling understanding that the Greenland Ice Sheet has melted entirely during recent warm periods in Earth's history
Could that be the time when all was well? I wouldn't know...
However, what it does exemplify is that you really don't have all the information on the history of the earth. Basically, you are taking your faith belief and imposing it on what is not known... a religion of sorts since you are basing in on perfect facts.
There is folklore about King Arthur and about Romulus and Remus, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is a real history of King Arthur or of Romulus and Remus.1) Religion is based on folklore. I'm sure some may be, but that doesn't mean all are. Yes, you can find where there are religions based on folklore or exaggerated stories on some things that happened. There are many folklores on Daniel Boone, but there is a real history of Daniel Boone. I view the TaNaKh based on real history.
2) Factual evidence is lacking. We know, of course, absence of evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
then again... there is folklore of Daniel Boone and David Crocket but there is a real history of the two of them.What would you expect to find (for example, geologically, palaeontologically and archaeologically) if there was a time when all things were perfect?
According to Greenland melted recently: High risk of sea level rise today: Long-lost ice core reveals that most of Greenland was green 416,000 years ago , 'A large proportion of Greenland was an ice-free tundra landscape - perhaps covered by trees and roaming woolly mammoths - in the recent geological past.' According to the same website, this ice-free episode occurred between 424,000 and 374,000 years ago, before the evolution of Homo sapiens and far beyond the time-scale of the book of Genesis.
There is folklore about King Arthur and about Romulus and Remus, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is a real history of King Arthur or of Romulus and Remus.
Yes, there is. But you probably could not separate the myths from the reality. No one has said that all of the Bible is false. No one has said that it is all myths. But quite a bit is.then again... there is folklore of Daniel Boone and David Crocket but there is a real history of the two of them.
... except ...I agree... there are laws that the universe are governed by such as cause and effect et al. Don't disagree there.
Yes, science isn't perfect, far from it. It is just the best tool we have today - and that with such a wide margin that it is practically the only tool we have to learn about the real world. And together with engineering, science is what our modern world is build upon.Jesus died and resurrected and that is not looked at as a "scientific possibility"
Yes, science is limited. But, I wouldn't agree that it has explained all phenomena. Yes, it is uncovered that which was "magical" when it was "natural" but surely hasn't explained all phenomena
It is anecdotal. And there are many such anecdotes in medicine. I could add some from personal experience. But I wouldn't call that supernatural. It is just that the human body and especially the human mind is very complex and it is still impossible to control for all variables to systematically examine rare phenomena.My friend who had a broken back, (ski accident) and treated at John Hopkins about 4 decades ago - they tried to bridge the break twice and both failed.
After a meeting with Kathryn Kuhlman - in her hotel... healed completely. Went back to John Hopkins who reported - paraphrased - "There is no evidence of a break in your vertebrae and the only explanation we have is that it is a miracle"
We have other such reports.
Can't predict that, reproduce that and definitely "non science" - it is supernatural.
YES, YES AND YES! It is the best tool that humans with the logical, empirical and verifiable positions, to grow in understanding. We need science.Yes, science isn't perfect, far from it. It is just the best tool we have today - and that with such a wide margin that it is practically the only tool we have to learn about the real world. And together with engineering, science is what our modern world is build upon.
It is anecdotal. And there are many such anecdotes in medicine. I could add some from personal experience. But I wouldn't call that supernatural. It is just that the human body and especially the human mind is very complex and it is still impossible to control for all variables to systematically examine rare phenomena.
It seems that atheists are afraid of that word.
For medicine? That would depend upon what went wrong. For example, if one grew back an entire limb after a series of documented prayers or some other appeal to the unknown you might have something. If it was recovery from an accident where recovery is merely an event that people do recover from at times it would take many many times.But... maybe it isn't anecdotal? How many times does in need to happen for it to cease being anecdotal and it becoming a potential factor?
Out of topic.Hell no, all an atheist wants is evidence. Provide that and an atheist will review it an possibly change his view. Which is totally the opposite of a believer who won't change their view with or without evidence.
And super isn't the opposite, what is the opposite of natural is unnatural
Out of topic.
Out of topic againIt answered your post, sorry you don't like how things are. If you didn't want such a reply then perhaps you should have thought a little more about what you posted
Got it? Supernatural ... or MIRACLES if preferred.... I wouldn't call that supernatural. It is just that the human body and especially the human mind is very complex and it is still impossible to control for all variables to systematically examine rare phenomena.
Out of topic again
Got it? Supernatural ... or MIRACLES if preferred.
And we run away again with unmerited snark.Have a beutiful day.
What makes you think that? Why on Earth do you think that atheists cannot properly raise children? Not filling their heads with nonsense would seem to be a good thing.When I was young, we did not limit the term "education" to school studies. When we saw a child who was respectful of his parents and older than him, we would say "that child has been well educated by his parents." Now any miss-educated thinks that he is educated.
It is one of many human misfortunes that atheism has brought to humanity. It is as if they have set themselves the goal of destroying decency and human values. Why???
How terrifying!!!
Yes on the science... Not quite right on the religions although there is a thread of truth. If one does experience a miracle, it is evidence to that believer.
Not quite right although their foolishness and presumption propped up as faith which it is not.
There were recorded eye-witnesses to the resurrection. And when receives a miracle... it is hard data that is verifiable.
When I was young, we did not limit the term "education" to school studies. When we saw a child who was respectful of his parents and older than him, we would say "that child has been well educated by his parents." Now any miss-educated thinks that he is educated.
It is one of many human misfortunes that atheism has brought to humanity. It is as if they have set themselves the goal of destroying decency and human values. Why???
How terrifying!!!
What is it about seeking simple truth that you find terrifying?When I was young, we did not limit the term "education" to school studies. When we saw a child who was respectful of his parents and older than him, we would say "that child has been well educated by his parents." Now any miss-educated thinks that he is educated.
It is one of many human misfortunes that atheism has brought to humanity. It is as if they have set themselves the goal of destroying decency and human values. Why???
How terrifying!!!