The God Story's Logic

[templetest]

Here's the logic as I understand it:
God created everything
He created humans
He placed them in a garden
He placed a tree of knowledge there
He told the humans not to eat of the tree
He allowed the devil/satan to enter the garden
He allowed the humans to be tempted, knowing they would eat of the tree
He (seemingly) acts surprised that they ate of it (didn't see them I guess, but why?) then kicks them out, making their lives difficult and ending in death/hell
Years go by, god asks for sacrifices from people during those years
Eventually, a teenager gets pregnant with his son/self/son/self
He/his son/he/his son grows up
Little to no writings of this age of himself/son/self/son is allowed to be put into the story of himself/his son/himself/his son
Then, all of a sudden, people are writing stories about himself/his son/himself/his son starting around the age of 30
Four stories are accepted as legitimate, yet no one story is exactly the same - some have parts others don't, some can't agree on details
This god obviously can't edit the writing of his own story, much less do it himself - why?
Time passes and his son/self/son/self is sacrificed for the sins of the world
He "dies", then assends (though some reports of him appearing in other parts of the world, but those reports aren't allowed to be published in the official bible)
Over the course of time, people come and go in his name

Here we are today.

Where's the logic in this story? On the superfical level, it makes "sense", but when you dig slightly deeper, you have to start making assumptions and, at times, concessions, for it to make sense.
Why?
If a being can create everything that is, why are the concessions necessary?

There seems to be more logic in many Hollywood scripts.

Are there parts missing of the story?
Has the story been changed over time?
Or, in order to beleive, do you have to do away with logic?

The only thing logical about this story is that it's a story. There's nothing logical in Christainity that I've even been able to see (and I've looked). But that's par for the course when you're dealing with the supernatural. Though you'd think for a god to be in charge, it would have to make some kind of sense. Which is one reason I don't think any god was in charge of the story at all. Just a bunch of old men (many you probably smelled) as a means of influence.

 

[Tbone]

Here's the logic as I understand it:
God created everything
He created humans
He placed them in a garden
He placed a tree of knowledge there
He told the humans not to eat of the tree
He allowed the devil/satan to enter the garden
He allowed the humans to be tempted, knowing they would eat of the tree
He (seemingly) acts surprised that they ate of it (didn't see them I guess, but why?) then kicks them out, making their lives difficult and ending in death/hell
Years go by, god asks for sacrifices from people during those years
Eventually, a teenager gets pregnant with his son/self/son/self
He/his son/he/his son grows up
Little to no writings of this age of himself/son/self/son is allowed to be put into the story of himself/his son/himself/his son
Then, all of a sudden, people are writing stories about himself/his son/himself/his son starting around the age of 30
Four stories are accepted as legitimate, yet no one story is exactly the same - some have parts others don't, some can't agree on details
This god obviously can't edit the writing of his own story, much less do it himself - why?
Time passes and his son/self/son/self is sacrificed for the sins of the world
He "dies", then assends (though some reports of him appearing in other parts of the world, but those reports aren't allowed to be published in the official bible)
Over the course of time, people come and go in his name

Here we are today.

Where's the logic in this story? On the superfical level, it makes "sense", but when you dig slightly deeper, you have to start making assumptions and, at times, concessions, for it to make sense.
Why?
If a being can create everything that is, why are the concessions necessary?

There seems to be more logic in many Hollywood scripts.

Are there parts missing of the story?
Has the story been changed over time?
Or, in order to beleive, do you have to do away with logic?

There is no logic the way you tell it, but if you understood the truth, it would be logical.

 

[sojourner]

The only thing logical about this story is that it's a story. There's nothing logical in Christainity that I've even been able to see (and I've looked). But that's par for the course when you're dealing with the supernatural. Though you'd think for a god to be in charge, it would have to make some kind of sense. Which is one reason I don't think any god was in charge of the story at all. Just a bunch of old men (many you probably smelled) as a means of influence.

Supernatural?

 

[templetest]

Supernatural?

Yes
Many believe God to be supernatural

 

[sojourner]

Yes
Many believe God to be supernatural

What if God's eminently natural?

 

[Orias]

Here's the logic as I understand it:
God created everything
He created humans
He placed them in a garden
He placed a tree of knowledge there
He told the humans not to eat of the tree
He allowed the devil/satan to enter the garden
He allowed the humans to be tempted, knowing they would eat of the tree
He (seemingly) acts surprised that they ate of it (didn't see them I guess, but why?) then kicks them out, making their lives difficult and ending in death/hell
Years go by, god asks for sacrifices from people during those years
Eventually, a teenager gets pregnant with his son/self/son/self
He/his son/he/his son grows up
Little to no writings of this age of himself/son/self/son is allowed to be put into the story of himself/his son/himself/his son
Then, all of a sudden, people are writing stories about himself/his son/himself/his son starting around the age of 30
Four stories are accepted as legitimate, yet no one story is exactly the same - some have parts others don't, some can't agree on details
This god obviously can't edit the writing of his own story, much less do it himself - why?
Time passes and his son/self/son/self is sacrificed for the sins of the world
He "dies", then assends (though some reports of him appearing in other parts of the world, but those reports aren't allowed to be published in the official bible)
Over the course of time, people come and go in his name

Here we are today.

Where's the logic in this story? On the superfical level, it makes "sense", but when you dig slightly deeper, you have to start making assumptions and, at times, concessions, for it to make sense.
Why?
If a being can create everything that is, why are the concessions necessary?

There seems to be more logic in many Hollywood scripts.

Are there parts missing of the story?
Has the story been changed over time?
Or, in order to beleive, do you have to do away with logic?

I think its supposed to be taken more metaphorically.

A realizing our own "will" type of a thing, and how much it directly affects ourselves.

In a way, the knowledge of Gods existences is kind of detrimental.

 

[Thief]

I think its supposed to be taken more metaphorically.

A realizing our own "will" type of a thing, and how much it directly affects ourselves.

In a way, the knowledge of Gods existences is kind of detrimental.

And if we somehow had no inclination at all....
as if the idea was similar to a forbidden speech...
no one even mentions such things...doesn't happen...

Then Man would have proceeded to dominate all things....including his fellow man....in ever increasing increments....to ever increasing oppression....

Sound familiar?
And who would do such things?

 

[Orias]

And if we somehow had no inclination at all....
as if the idea was similar to a forbidden speech...
no one even mentions such things...doesn't happen...

Then Man would have proceeded to dominate all things....including his fellow man....in ever increasing increments....to ever increasing oppression....

Sound familiar?
And who would do such things?

The ones who were born to see uncertainty.

 

[Thief]

The ones who were born to see uncertainty.

I was thinking more of those who practice propaganda.
They stymie the speech of others and insist recital of their creed.

It seems many kinds of organizations are willing to work this way.

 

[Orias]

I was thinking more of those who practice propaganda.
They stymie the speech of others and insist recital of their creed.

It seems many kinds of organizations are willing to work this way.

In the you me world, its either you, or me.

If I could put my initial reaction to meeting new people without bias or "checking out" I would say the first instinct in my mind is to judge whether or not the person is potentially harmful.

Kind of like a dog. When you throw a bone maybe you will get a little more, but then again some dogs are smarter than others

And no, I won't let you sniff my butt.

But yes, I agree, propaganda is definitely a matter of who reacts quicker, kind of like hypocrisy. Its almost like its necessary for survival.

 

[sojourner]

In the you me world, its either you, or me.

In the you/me world, it's you and me.

 

[Orias]

In the you/me world, it's you and me.

Oh come on now, we can't all be saved.

But alas, you are correct until you show me otherwise

 

[sojourner]

Of course.

Assuming you can keep up

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