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The good atheist

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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muhammad_isa said:
Sounds a bit like a mental asylum.. :eek:
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and hell very well might be like that..... trapped without being able to get out.
Imo hell is to be trapped in the prison of self and attached to the things of this material world.

40: O MY SERVANT! Free thyself from the fetters of this world, and loose thy soul from the prison of self. Seize thy chance, for it will come to thee no more. The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 36
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

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muhammad_isa said:
It is not "hate speech" .. it is scripture.
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I thought you understood what rebuttal was. Rebuttal is not mere disagreement. It's an explanation for why the rebutted statement can't be correct - some error of fact or reasoning revealed. Yes, it is scripture, obviously, which is why I brought it up. It's an example of what is today called hate speech, which would be obvious were it not directed at unbelievers.

muhammad_isa said:
It was written long ago.
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Yes. It was written long ago, and it is still bigotry. Ancient bigotry still being published and read today. These are not defenses of the claim that it is bigotry.

muhammad_isa said:
It has nothing to do with modern secular laws that are designed to promote social cohesion, by outlawing individuals abusing each other.
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Of course it doesn't. Yet, once again, it still qualifies as hate speech. Because that's exactly what it is

Do you see the pattern here? I make a correct statement. Correct statements can't be successfully rebutted. They can be deflected from using irrelevancies such as pointing out that the hate speech is scripture and ancient in the hope that it will be forgotten that that's what they are if that is allowed, or, the deflections can be identified as such, and the original claim reasserted still unrebutted..

muhammad_isa said:
You, of course are entitled to believe what you like, as long as you don't go around insulting people's beliefs.
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I haven't insulted anybody's beliefs. You sound like one of the American racists who resents his people's crimes of the past being discussed. I've reproduced scripture and called it hate speech. That is not just my right, but my duty. If that offends you or anybody else, ask yourselves why.

muhammad_isa said:
It's alright to "knock" God, but not modern secular values.
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More deflection. I never mentioned your god or any other, nor criticize any discussion of modern secular values.
 
HonestJoe

HonestJoe

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Trailblazer said:
Why would it make God an arrogant narcissist if God chose not to accept atheists, or anyone else, into heaven?
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I was being a little flippant to be honest, but I was thinking about the idea that God would only accept those who worship him.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
HonestJoe said:
I was being a little flippant to be honest, but I was thinking about the idea that God would only accept those who worship him.
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God might also accept those who don't worship Him.
According to my beliefs, our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven anyone He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Trailblazer said:
That is correct. Beliefs do not make anything true
A believer believes in heaven according to their scriptures and those scriptures are either true or false. It is not the belief that makes them so.
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What does make scripture true or false, Tb?
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Trailblazer said:
God might also accept those who don't worship Him.
According to my beliefs, our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven anyone He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it.
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Why would anyone who does not love God want to be with Him for eternity?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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samtonga43 said:
Will God draw someone closer who does not want to be with Him?
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I don't know, only God knows. I would not think that God would force anyone against their will, but many people are on the fence and I think God might draw them closer if He thinks that thye want to be closer.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

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Seeker of White Light said:
If God exists and an atheist had truly been living a perfect life according to God. And God invidted the atheist in to heaven. You could still say no thank you
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That doesn't make any sense..

1. God DOES exist :)
2. it is impossible for an atheist to live a "perfect life" according to God, while denying Him .. it is a complete contradiction
 
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