kjw47
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I Corinthians 8:6--There is one God to all, the FATHER. Trinity translations contradict themselves because of the errors.
How can God have a God? John 20:17, Rev 3:12?
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The Gospel of John Claims that Jesus is God
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I Corinthians 8:6--There is one God to all, the FATHER. Trinity translations contradict themselves because of the errors.
How can God have a God? John 20:17, Rev 3:12?
LightofTruth
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How? When the God sends another in/carrying His name.
LightofTruth
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What I mean is that The God (Father alone) has sent His son who carries the name of God. God would say of His son... Obey him for My Name is in Him.
and goes on to say that in the word was life which was the light which John came to witness of, and thus the passage claims Jesus not God but the Son of God. You just have to keep reading the sentence a little further.
74x12
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It's not an either/or thing ... Jesus is the Son of God (of course) but that doesn't mean He is not also God manifest.
John says God is Light. (1 John 1:5) So, I really don't see why you think that because Jesus is the Light; that means He is not God.
I think I misrepresented my position. This is very important, and I'm not arguing against trinity. It is speaking about the trinity but in a different way than saying Jesus is the word. All that I am saying is this passage does not claim Jesus equal God. It claims he is a light proceeding out of God. It does not bar him from also being one with God or me or you. The light is important for several reasons and not a restatement. These folks do not think of light as photons like we do. Light enters into all things revealing what is in them, both the world and the person. It judges. There is light that reveals the floor, and there is light that reveals the heart. It also has a further meaning. If Jesus proceeds as light from the Word, then it is suggesting he is the exact representation of the Word like the wax seal on an envelope bears the impression of a ring. It is like saying Jesus is the signature on the envelope, pressed with God's seal. This is good for trinitarian positions not bad. Look at the importance of light in Hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word." This all ties together and shows a common thought between John and Hebrews. Hebrews then says of the Son "Your throne, Oh God, will last forever and ever..."
74x12
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In Revelation 21:23 the Lamb is the "Lamp" and the Light itself is God. So, Jesus is indeed shining the Light of God as a Lamp does. This is how Jesus is the "Light of the world". The Son of man is the Lamp and the Light within is God.
Also Jesus is the "Alpha and Omega" so He literally is spelling each Word that God speaks. Jesus is the Word of God.
John is unveiling the mystery hidden from the foundation of the world. We can't really understand John chapter 1 in a Trinitarian sense. We must look to Genesis chapter 1 which is what John 1 is about. looking at 1st John chapter 1 is also beneficial.
The Light of Life and the Word of Life is resurrection from the dead. It is Life overcoming death.
The darkness is the "shadow of death" as spoken of famously in Psalm 23 and Isaiah 9 and elsewhere in the scriptures. The "shadow of death" is the sentence of death that covers all people. As it is written "For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and great darkness the people ..." The only way to overcome it and bring Life is through the resurrection from the dead. Jesus is the resurrection and the Life. He is the Sun of Righteousness that has healing in His wings. This is the Light of Genesis 1:3 that overcomes the darkness.
First He rises within us and so the resurrection is in the inner person. As it says ", until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts ..." and then He will also be external when He raises the church up bodily from their graves.
kjw47
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Jesus lives 24/7 to do his Fathers will( John 5:30) as do the true followers-Matthew 7:21)
Gods power went -through-Jesus( Acts 2:22) as it did through Moses. That is how Jesus is one with his God and Father as all should strive to be. One in purpose---The living now to do the Fathers will.
It requires one to disown themselves to follow Jesus.( Matthew 16:24) Few even know what he actually teaches. What he actually teaches is not taught in a single building called-church, on earth.
LightofTruth
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You can say that again!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But you supposedly know, right? How many times have we heard such claims coming from many sources.
The reality is that none of us were there almost 2000 years ago, so it's really hard to say what the finer points of Jesus' message was, but we can at least surmise what the major points were and are.
LightofTruth
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All claims from anyone are worthless unless they pass the scriptural test of comparing spiritual with spiritual. Meaning we are to compare the scripture with the scripture.
Sadly, many do not adhere to that correct way of interpretation.
Jesus said that he and his Father are one. By comparing the spiritual with the spiritual an understanding can be made. See John chapter 17, where it is Jesus' desire that his disciples be one with himself and his Father, just as he is one with his Father.
Test the spirits to see if they be of God or no.
Anyone who would suggest that Jesus was claiming to be a member of a Trinity by saying "I and my father are one" is a lying spirit.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That doesn't make one iota of sense since the scriptures were not written in a vacuum, thus we need to look for additional information, plus we need to realize that all scriptures are subjective.
But exactly how they are "one" is the question. Since Jesus was also human, are you claiming that God is physically human as well?
It's both condescending and appalling that you believe that you understand with 100% accuracy that relationship and that anyone who dares to disagree with you is a "lying spirit". That is not being a "Light of Truth" but is instead the "Darkness of Ego".
In real estate, the value of a house is largely "location, location, location", and within any serious theology it's "interpretation, interpretation, interpretation". In Micah 6[8] it says: "He has showed you, O man, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God?"
Thus maybe it's time to get over yourself and follow that advice to act "humbly" and out of "kindness"-- not ego-driven arrogance. Jesus taught that we must follow the "law of love", not demeaning others through our arrogance and self-righteousness.
kjw47
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It just takes believing Jesus over men. Like this ultra important truth-
Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness.
Hallowed by thy( Father) name-YHVH(Jehovah)
Jesus warned all they wouldn't know him-John 15:20-21
Trinity translations teach 2 different gods. Because of errors.
Jesus teaches at John 17:1-6,26-- verse 3-The one who sent him= Father( John 5:30) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--verse 6= YHVH(Jehovah) verse 26- YHVH(Jehovah)
74x12
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JWs teach 2 gods in John 1:1. An upper case "God" and a lower case "god".
What else is there to say? Paul says to us there is but one God the Father. Jws say two Gods.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe with God all things are possible. What do you think about this substitution?: God is God. The realityis that the substitution does not work either way. It show a lack of understanding to try.
I believe you have no evidence to support that false concept.
And what do you call Alef Ayin Alef He?
I believe that is a biased view. The correct interpretation is "I continue to be." That means just what Jesus says "I was, am now and always will be."
I believe the anti-Christ deceives. Christians have the Truth.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the Father is a partial God concept. It is true that the Father is God but so is Jesus and the Paraclete.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The above is just cliche's that avoids dealing with what I said. Plus the Trinity in no way creates "two gods" as anyone familiar with the concept well knows that it's a "three in one" concept, and the "one" is God.
74x12
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God isn't split personalities. God is one and indivisible. Jesus is the Father.
kjw47
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Lower case god is not calling that one God--It refers to the godlike qualities. Usually because Gods power is going through that one-Acts 2:22
Actually its the trinity teaching showing 2 different Gods. In plain trinity English, the second line is reading-And God was with God. If the word is God. god is correct. As Acts 2:22 shows-Gods power went through Jesus.