The Grand Jury is In

[Revoltingest]

I'd like to have an open investigation and a trial with all possible culprits present and judge and jury deciding who walks and who goes to prison.
And I think that a dead person by police forces should always lead to a trial.

When circumstances don't point to a crime,
conducting a trial would be a waste of resources.

Maybe they didn't intend it but they were also unable to prevent it. Intention, reckless endangerment or bumbling idiocy, that's for the judge to decide.

Why not put the judge who authorized the warrant on trial?
Analogy time....
A don orders the button man to whack a rat.
The don is responsible.

 

[Heyo]

When circumstances don't point to a crime,
conducting a trial would be a waste of resources.

I don't believe in "accidentally" killing a person by shooting them. But that may well be a cultural thing. We here in Europe see value in human life even when it is outside of a womb.
Btw: did you know that "the inalienable right to life" is in the Declaration of Independence but never made it into law?

Why not put the judge who authorized the warrant on trial?
Analogy time....
A don orders the button man to whack a rat.
The don is responsible.

"Only following orders" again? In paid assassination trials both the Don and the hitman are convicted. And yes, in the Breonna Taylor case all who contributed to her death should be on trial. The object of the trial should be to determine who was responsible and to what degree.
Not having any trial is sending the message "We don't care if (black) people get killed by the police - and that won't change."

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't believe in "accidentally" killing a person by shooting them. But that may well be a cultural thing. We here in Europe see value in human life even when it is outside of a womb.

The value of a human life isn't the issue here.
But were it so, I wouldn't look to Europe for
guidance (given its long & bloody history).

Btw: did you know that "the inalienable right to life" is in the Declaration of Independence but never made it into law?

I'd heard a rumor of that.
But the issue is whether the cops committed a crime
under the law. And if so, it matters if there's any chance
of conviction. Prosecutors regularly pass on cases that
can't be won.
But even if there were a show trial to appease the angry
teeming masses, they'd still be angry when there's no
conviction. This is about vengeance more than justice.

"Only following orders" again?

The orders followed were lawful.
And therein lies the problem, ie,
with the law, not with the cops.

In paid assassination trials both the Don and the hitman are convicted. And yes, in the Breonna Taylor case all who contributed to her death should be on trial. The object of the trial should be to determine who was responsible and to what degree.
Not having any trial is sending the message "We don't care if (black) people get killed by the police - and that won't change."

So....what do you think of my proposal to prosecute
the legislators & judge who wrote the law & authorized
the warrant?

My point here is that too many people are blindly angry at
cops....all cops, & want to see them fry. They aren't facing
the fundamental problem of why this happens all over the
country to all races of people.

 

[Heyo]

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So....what do you think of my proposal to prosecute
the legislators & judge who wrote the law & authorized
the warrant?

"And yes, in the Breonna Taylor case all who contributed to her death should be on trial. The object of the trial should be to determine who was responsible and to what degree." - me

My point here is that too many people are blindly angry at
cops....all cops, & want to see them fry. They aren't facing
the fundamental problem of why this happens all over the
country to all races of people.

My point here is that many people want justice and the security not to be killed by cops without retribution.
Something has to change and someone has to be responsible.
We know that Breonna Taylor was killed in the raid, so, no mystery there. The question is who is responsible and to what degree.
Any procedure that doesn't lead to a conviction tells the people that Breonna Taylor's death was acceptable and the next death by cop will be acceptable again. People do get angry when they are told that their life doesn't matter.

 

[Revoltingest]

"And yes, in the Breonna Taylor case all who contributed to her death should be on trial. The object of the trial should be to determine who was responsible and to what degree." - me


My point here is that many people want justice and the security not to be killed by cops without retribution.
Something has to change and someone has to be responsible.
We know that Breonna Taylor was killed in the raid, so, no mystery there. The question is who is responsible and to what degree.
Any procedure that doesn't lead to a conviction tells the people that Breonna Taylor's death was acceptable and the next death by cop will be acceptable again. People do get angry when they are told that their life doesn't matter.

Old saying....
You want to get ****ed, go to court.
You want justice, go to a whorehouse.
What message do you think they'll glean from a court
finding all the cops not guilty for Taylor's murder?

Ironically, BLM is explicitly telling us that our lives don't matter.....

 

[MNoBody]

Old saying....
You want to get ****ed, go to court.
You want justice, go to a whorehouse.
What message do you think they'll glean from a court
finding all the cops not guilty for Taylor's murder?

Ironically, BLM is explicitly telling us that our lives don't matter.....

well, I read that a slightly different way,
in that no one is above the law, if anyone is, then there is no law
which looked at more rounded out,
if anyone is beneath the law then there is no law.

no MAN left behind.... doesn't matter the color coding on the wire, all the circuits are required, and equally important.
why is this even an issue? Still?
such petty prejudice runs rampant through people's hearts...separating people,
dividing them when we need to stand together.
oh, right, ....the world has lost its collective mind
and common sense is now a mutants only superpower....hmmmm

 

[Revoltingest]

well, I read that a slightly different way,
in that no one is above the law, if anyone is, then there is no law
which looked at more rounded out,
if anyone is beneath the law then there is no law.

no MAN left behind.... doesn't matter the color coding on the wire, all the circuits are required, and equally important.
why is this even an issue? Still?
such petty prejudice runs rampant through people's hearts...separating people,
dividing them when we need to stand together.
oh, right, ....the world has lost its collective mind
and common sense is now a mutants only superpower....hmmmm

It becomes simpler if we treat all people as individuals
who are responsible for their own actions, & apply the
law. If we dislike the law, then it should change.

 

[MNoBody]

It becomes simpler if we treat all people as individuals
who are responsible for their own actions, & apply the
law.

and those who do are still bogged down by the great Bulk of everyone who still is stuck in petty prejudice.
the tyranny of the perpetually retarded majority

 

[MNoBody]

a snippet from a piece I happened across yesterday:

The running of a government should not be left in the hands of people whose only skill
is the ability to pander to the largest crowds.
We find ourselves placing our fates in the hands of clowns and madmen.
We're given a fool's choice.
We believe the selection of the lesser evil is the best we can make given the circumstances.
This is the biggest lie they have gotten us to believe so far.

Once upon a time government officials were impelled by a sense of civic duty,
a genuine desire to contrive circumstances for the betterment of the citizens that comprise the state; food, shelter, clothing, education, transportation, communication - the necessities.
So who are these people?
And why did we hand them the keys to our private lives?
Why do we pay them for the privilege of robbing from us?

 

[Revoltingest]

and those who do are still bogged down by the great Bulk of everyone who still is stuck in petty prejudice.
the tyranny of the perpetually retarded majority

Perpetual struggle, eh.

 

[MNoBody]

Perpetual struggle, eh.

apparently.
is there another way to see it?

 

[Tambourine]

There are people here who are so mired in their political bias, that they can't even bring themselves to agree with their political opponents that shooting innocent people is actually bad.

Don't expect any meaningful debate here.

 

[Revoltingest]

apparently.
is there another way to see it?

One is to see people as merely the group they belong to.
But that has problems.

 

[MNoBody]

One is to see people as merely the group they belong to.
But that has problems.

the mayan greet people traditionally with
en lakesh alakin- which means basically I am another you.
the mayans hold the historical record for the longest running peaceful/stable social structure...
they had no money to divide them and considered everybody a reflection of themself
HMMMMM....

 

[Revoltingest]

the mayan greet people traditionally with
en lakesh alakin- which means basically I am another you.
the mayans hold the historical record for the longest running peaceful/stable social structure...
they had no money to divide them and considered everybody a reflection of themself
HMMMMM....

No money, eh.
I prefer modern Ameristan, even with all its instabilities.

 

[MNoBody]

No money, eh.
I prefer modern Ameristan, even with all its instabilities.

then one must eat that, and all its toxic societal forms....will cause existential indigestion and preventable dis-ease.

 

[Revoltingest]

then one must eat that, and all its toxic societal forms....will cause existential indigestion and preventable dis-ease.View attachment 43223

We must sometimes make the conscious choice to eschew stress.
It also helps to not smoke.

 

[MNoBody]

We must sometimes make the conscious choice to eschew stress.
It also helps to not smoke.

my point exactly, [look at that poor sod] however that is patently impossible, or it must be for 'humans',
what other conclusions can one draw from the high failure rates...
it isn't all attributed to the failure of the individual....we are all accomplices, complicit just by existing here.
we all fail each other since we failed in our own domain, that of the individual...
must be universal since the whole ship is sinking from it.....