The Growing Greatness of Muhammad (S+) In The Eyes of Much of The World

[Lady B]

This is in reference to the second coming of Christ.
You are still waiting for Him?

and your not? why?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

and your not? why?

Not anymore!
Because:

"O CONCOURSE of priests! The Day of Reckoning hath appeared, the Day whereon He Who was in heaven hath come. He, verily, is the One Whom ye were promised in the Books of God, the Holy, the Almighty, the All-Praised. How long will ye wander in the wilderness of heedlessness and superstition? Turn with your hearts in the direction of your Lord, the Forgiving, the Generous."
-- Baha'u'llah

 

[Lady B]

Not anymore!
Because:

"O CONCOURSE of priests! The Day of Reckoning hath appeared, the Day whereon He Who was in heaven hath come. He, verily, is the One Whom ye were promised in the Books of God, the Holy, the Almighty, the All-Praised. How long will ye wander in the wilderness of heedlessness and superstition? Turn with your hearts in the direction of your Lord, the Forgiving, the Generous."
-- Baha'u'llah

and his name is??????????/ drum roll please.........

 

[FearGod]

That hadith is also available is Sunni and Shia Books by the way.

But you said before that the ahadith are unreliable,but you are using the hadith which can support your position.

I am saying that, God can reveal the truth in any Age with a new name, and new command."

Why the name have to be changed while the truth is one,Can god change his name also,this year his name is god then after 500 years another new name.

Submission means that we should only submitted to him and not to bahaullah,submission is an action and not away to follow.

Ignorance are causing the religion to change from one name to another and the calamity is that people worship a human and even they have worshipped idols instead of god,we can see from history how stupid they were that they thought that the idol is their messenger to god and don't tell me that was the way at that time then god asked the people to stop the idols and to worship him instead.

What was the religion of Adam pbuh, or no religion at all.
What was the religion of Noah pbuh, maybe Adamian , Adam,s way.
and followers of Noah pbuh become Noahian
What was the religion of Abraham pbuh, maybe Nohian, Noah's way.
Then followers of Abraham pbuh become Abrahamian.
So if from Adam pbuh till Mohammed pbuh were all called submitters,then don't that sounds logic.

Bahaullah born as a muslim,so did he follow a new religion and called the religion according to his new name Bahai.

You said before that names aren't important,then you are saying that god change the way and the name from one age to another.

Moreover, you are saying God does not change the name of Islam?
God said the true religion is Islam, right?

Yes,submission to god and not to be a follower for any human being.

Well, God says, He can erase whatever He had ordained. He had said before, Jesus is the way, later he said Islam is the way. Now He says Baha'i Faith is the way. Before He said, keep the Sabbath, later he erased it. Before He said to Abraham to scrifice His son, later said, sacrifice the ram.

Jesus is the way ,bahai is the way,islam is the way.
But for me, the almighty god is my way and i am completely submitted to him,
i believe that he sent us the messengers to guide us to the right path and nothing more

"Allah erases or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book." Quran 13:39

What that verse to do with the religion name or our direct relation to god as submitters ,is bahai a better name for our relation to god.

So, a Submitter to God, is the one who says: Yes Lord. I verily obey as you ordain!

By the way, Moslems are not the last Ummah:​

"Thus We have appointed you a middle People (Ummah), that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger, from him who turneth on his heels. In truth it was a hard (test) save for those whom Allah guided. But it was not Allah's purpose that your faith should be in vain, for Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful toward mankind."
- Qur'an 2:143​

Quran had said, He will change Moslems with another people, if they turn back form Islam.

That is irrelevant to our topic of religion name and also we are still muslims,we didn't convert to another relgion as bahaullah did.

I understand the name of Islam is important for you. I am not in a position to ask anybody to change what they believe. But we are just discussing.

i accept what make sense to me.

Sure, please feel free to ask whatever you like.

Baha'u'llah was a follower of the Bab, before His revelation. The followers of the Bab, were called Bab'is.

The Bab said He is the promised Mahdi:

"He Who hath revealed the Qur’án unto Muhammad, the Apostle of God, ordaining in the Faith of Islám that which was pleasing unto Him, hath likewise revealed the Bayán, in the manner ye have been promised, unto Him Who is your Qá’im, your Guide, your Mihdí, your Lord, Him Whom ye acclaim as the manifestation of God’s most excellent titles. Verily the equivalent of that which God revealed unto Muhammad during twenty-three years, hath been revealed unto Me within the space of two days and two nights. However, as ordained by God, no distinction is to be drawn between the two. He, in truth, hath power over all things. " The Bab



"If ye contend that these verses cannot, of themselves, be regarded as a proof, scan the pages of the Qur’án. If God hath established therein any evidence other than the revealed verses to demonstrate the validity of the prophethood of His Apostle—may the blessings of God rest upon Him—ye may then have your scruples about Him...
Concerning the sufficiency of the Book as a proof, God hath revealed: ‘Is it not enough for them that We have sent down unto Thee the Book to be recited to them? In this verily is a mercy and a warning to those who believe.’* When God hath testified that the Book is a sufficient testimony, as is affirmed in the text, how can one dispute this truth by saying that the Book in itself is not a conclusive proof?
" The Bab


When Baha'u'llah read the verses of the Bab, He imidiately said: "These verses must have come from the same Author who revealed the Quran"

i asked you what was his religion when he was young (born) ,i didn't ask you to wright me an article for that simple question.

Was he Christian
Was he Muslim
Was he Jew
Was he an Atheist
Was he Hindus

 

[InvestigateTruth]

and his name is??????????/ drum roll please.........

His Name is Baha'u'llah.

Was it not writen in the Bible that He would return with a New Name? I only discuss from the Bible. I don't care what is the mainstream understanding is.

Oh, by the way, who was Immanuel?


By the way, I had already made another thread, which is more related to the second coming. I feel this thread is getting off-topic, don't you?
So, this is a more relevant thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/136643-signs-end-bahai-view.html

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But you said before that the ahadith are unreliable,but you are using the hadith which can support your position.

I refer to Hadithes that I believe is true.
Ok, fine. Then to be fair, you used the Hadithes to show Muhammad is the last Messenger.

Why the name have to be changed while the truth is one,Can god change his name also,this year his name is god then after 500 years another new name.

Well, the Bible calls God yahuwah, but Quran calls God Allah. Other religions such as Zoroastrian had a different name.
I don't know why. God knows why.
But I suppose, how could the followers of the new revelation who became believers of the new revelation be known from others who did not believe?
Suppose, indeed Jews were called Moslems, a name given to them by Moses. But when Muhammad came, they did not believe in Muhammad. Then how can they be known from the ones who believed in Muhammad? Old Moslems, and new Moslems?
Do you have a solution?

Submission means that we should only submitted to him and not to bahaullah,submission is an action and not away to follow..

This is not Islamic. Because Baha'u'llah is the Messenger of God for this Age.

According to Quran, those who obeyed Muhammad, had obeyed God (you know the verses?). Then How is it, that those who obey Baha'u'llah, are not obeying God?

Ignorance are causing the religion to change from one name to another and the calamity is that people worship a human and even they have worshipped idols instead of god,we can see from history how stupid they were that they thought that the idol is their messenger to god and don't tell me that was the way at that time then god asked the people to stop the idols and to worship him instead..

This is what other People also said to every new Messenger and His new followers. Refer to Quran, Surrih of Hud.

What was the religion of Adam pbuh, or no religion at all.
What was the religion of Noah pbuh, maybe Adamian , Adam,s way.
and followers of Noah pbuh become Noahian
What was the religion of Abraham pbuh, maybe Nohian, Noah's way.
Then followers of Abraham pbuh become Abrahamian.
So if from Adam pbuh till Mohammed pbuh were all called submitters,then don't that sounds logic.

Submitter to God.

Bahaullah born as a muslim,so did he follow a new religion and called the religion according to his new name Bahai.

Baha'u'llah is a Manifestation of God, who is a perfect submitter to God from begining.

You said before that names aren't important,then you are saying that god change the way and the name from one age to another.

Did He not?

Yes,submission to god and not to be a follower for any human being.

That is right. specially the religious leaders.

Jesus is the way ,bahai is the way,islam is the way.
But for me, the almighty god is my way and i am completely submitted to him,
i believe that he sent us the messengers to guide us to the right path and nothing more

For me too.

What that verse to do with the religion name or our direct relation to god as submitters ,is bahai a better name for our relation to god.

see above please.

That is irrelevant to our topic of religion name and also we are still muslims,we didn't convert to another relgion as bahaullah did.

Clearly Baha'ullah was a perfect Submitter to God. As soon as a new revelation from God had recieved, He accepted it.

i accept what make sense to me.

ok

i asked you what was his religion when he was young (born) ,i didn't ask you to wright me an article for that simple question.

He was born in a Moslem Family. But when a new revelation of God came, He accepted it, unlike those who doubted and were biased.
This is the example of a ture Moslem. How could a person be still a submitter to God, when a new revelation comes, he does not accept? just because of a name. Does that make sense to you? Please be fair in your judgement.

 

[Lady B]

His Name is Baha'u'llah.

Was it not writen in the Bible that He would return with a New Name? I only discuss from the Bible. I don't care what is the mainstream understanding is.

Oh, by the way, who was Immanuel?


By the way, I had already made another thread, which is more related to the second coming. I feel this thread is getting off-topic, don't you?
So, this is a more relevant thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/136643-signs-end-bahai-view.html

Finally you said it, that is all i needed to hear. it only took me two days to get you to say Bahuhlah is sapose to be the Christ returned. And now you must know why no Genuine Christian or Muslim will ever accept Bahai ism.

 

[Lady B]

Oh, by the way, who was Immanuel?

When we come to Isaiah 7:14, we encounter a prophecy about the Messiah, stating that his name will be Immanuel. Immanuel literally means "God is with us." This is significant because Jesus is God in flesh:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." (John 1:1,14).​

For in Him [Jesus] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form" (Col. 2:9).​

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Finally you said it, that is all i needed to hear. it only took me two days to get you to say Bahuhlah is sapose to be the Christ returned. And now you must know why no Genuine Christian or Muslim will ever accept Bahai ism.

That is incorrect and a Biased view.
Even the best Moslem Scholars and best Christian scholars became Baha'is.

Search for Baha'i Scholarship in google. You will see.

By the way, Like I said, this thread is getting too off topic.
I am not going to farther discuss this here.

Like I said, please lets use other threads.

Also, it is not my job to convince you. You need to read and learn on your own. I will be happy to discuss then. sorry but I do not have time to go through Books to find all answeres for you.

I recommend you to read the following Books. All your answered are given in these Books:

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán

It was nice chatting with you here!

 

[Lady B]

That is incorrect and a Biased view.
Even the best Moslem Scholars and best Christian scholars became Baha'is.

Search for Baha'i Scholarship in google. You will see.

By the way, Like I said, this thread is getting too off topic.
I am not going to farther discuss this here.

Like I said, please lets use other threads.

Also, it is not my job to convince you. You need to read and learn on your own. I will be happy to discuss then. sorry but I do not have time to go through Books to find all answeres for you.

I recommend you to read the following Books. All your answered are given in these Books:

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán

It was nice chatting with you here!

mashy..

 

[FearGod]

That is incorrect and a Biased view.
Even the best Moslem Scholars and best Christian scholars became Baha'is.

Search for Baha'i Scholarship in google. You will see.

True the world is changing to Bahai,let's google for it

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A

"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995

Read many more IslamiCity.com - Mosque - What they say about Islam, the Quran and Muhammad

 

[Lady B]

Even the best Moslem Scholars and best Christian scholars became Baha'is.

....(best) is subjective and completely not able to be proven, and I assure you genuine real Biblical Christians did not call Bahulah their Christ. Not sure on Muslims, perhaps one who did not understand escotology and the signs that will come before Christ returns fell for it.If it were me, and no chance it will be me, but if, I didn't really know and understand God's word and I decided to follow Bahulala as my Christ returned. I sure would be disapointed when he died!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

....(best) is subjective and completely not able to be proven, and I assure you genuine real Biblical Christians did not call Bahulah their Christ. Not sure on Muslims, perhaps one who did not understand escotology and the signs that will come before Christ returns fell for it.If it were me, and no chance it will be me, but if, I didn't really know and understand God's word and I decided to follow Bahulala as my Christ returned. I sure would be disapointed when he died!

LadyB, I will make a reply to this in here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru.../136643-signs-end-bahai-view.html#post3091164

 

[InvestigateTruth]

True the world is changing to Bahai,let's google for it

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A

"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995

Read many more IslamiCity.com - Mosque - What they say about Islam, the Quran and Muhammad

I said, very good scholars, who even accepted to be martyrd, became Baha'is. I didn't say the world is becoming Baha'i.

Numbers means nothing to me. So what?
This is what Quran teaches:

"And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying." Quran 6:116​

 

[FearGod]

....(best) is subjective and completely not able to be proven, and I assure you genuine real Biblical Christians did not call Bahulah their Christ. Not sure on Muslims, perhaps one who did not understand escotology and the signs that will come before Christ returns fell for it.If it were me, and no chance it will be me, but if, I didn't really know and understand God's word and I decided to follow Bahulala as my Christ returned. I sure would be disapointed when he died!

Good point you mentioned that there are signs that will come before Jesus pbuh.

One of the signs which just happened on recent years

Abu Nadhrah says: "We were sitting in the company of Jabir bin Abdullah (R.A.) when he said: 'Soon the people of IRAQ will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.'" We asked, "Why would such a thing happen?" He replied, "Because of the non-Arabs." (i.e they will prevent food from going into Iraq, in the form of "sanctions" to this day.) He then said: "Soon the people of Shaam (SYRIA) will neither receive any money nor grain." We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: "Because of the Romans (christians)."

So sanctions on Iraq which started after the year 1990 and sanctions on Syria which started recently from the west (christians)

There are also other signs which should be all fulfilled before the coming of Jesus (Issa) pbuh and are called the minor signs.

What about Armageddon which is the final war as a sign of the last hour which will be in the time of Jesus pbuh.

When the promised messiah will come back,then that will be the sign of the last hour

And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. (Quran, Az-Zukhuruf, 43:61)

Where is the antichrist on the time of Bahaullah and Armageddon which actually i think all Abrahamic religion agree upon.

 

[1robin]

True the world is changing to Bahai,let's google for it

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A

"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995

Read many more IslamiCity.com - Mosque - What they say about Islam, the Quran and Muhammad

Is it Moslem or Muslim?

First the best scholars in no way what so ever have all become Baha'i. In fact I am not aware of a single one. I am sure there are a few but I keep up with many and they are still Christian and still think Baha'i is nonsence.

Second I do not think Islam or Baha' i is the fastest growing religion. Regardless the methods used for determining this are bogus.

Religions can grow in numbers because of conversion or because of higher birth rates in a religious group or both. Measures counting absolute numbers tend to favour the larger religions (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism for example which have at least 800 million followers and more). Measures counting percentage growth tend to favour smaller ones such as Wicca, Falun Gong and other minority religions.

The fastest growing religion could refer to:

• The religion whose absolute number of adherents is growing the fastest.
• The religion that is growing fastest in terms of percentage growth per year.
• The religion that is gaining the greatest number of converts in the world.

Data collection

Statistics on religious adherence are difficult to gather and often contradictory; statistics for the change of religious adherence are even more so, requiring multiple surveys separated by many years using the same data gathering rules. This has only been achieved in rare cases, and then only for a particular country, such as the American Religious Identification Survey[1] in the USA, or census data from Australia (which has included a voluntary religious question since 1911).[2
Claims to be the fastest-growing religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Third these numbers are based on the fact that Islam and Baha'i are middle eastern and oriental culturally based. That culture has a birth rate that is about 8 - 1, Christian cultures are more like 2 - 1. India is exploding in numbers even if half of them are starving.

Fourth in Islam and likely Baha'i, a new child is a new convert. In Christianity that is not the case we actually do something crazy. We only count people who are old enough and are completely free from complusion to make a reasoned choice.

Fifth Islam and maybe Baha'i but not likely make leaving the faith a very risky action. In many countries to leave Islam is to risk death.

Sixth numbers have nothing to do with whether they are true or not.

 

[FearGod]

Is it Moslem or Muslim?

First the best scholars in no way what so ever have all become Baha'i. In fact I am not aware of a single one. I am sure there are a few but I keep up with many and they are still Christian and still think Baha'i is nonsence.

Second I do not think Islam or Baha' i is the fastest growing religion. Regardless the methods used for determining this are bogus.

Religions can grow in numbers because of conversion or because of higher birth rates in a religious group or both. Measures counting absolute numbers tend to favour the larger religions (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism for example which have at least 800 million followers and more). Measures counting percentage growth tend to favour smaller ones such as Wicca, Falun Gong and other minority religions.




The fastest growing religion could refer to:

• The religion whose absolute number of adherents is growing the fastest.
• The religion that is growing fastest in terms of percentage growth per year.
• The religion that is gaining the greatest number of converts in the world.

Data collection

Statistics on religious adherence are difficult to gather and often contradictory; statistics for the change of religious adherence are even more so, requiring multiple surveys separated by many years using the same data gathering rules. This has only been achieved in rare cases, and then only for a particular country, such as the American Religious Identification Survey[1] in the USA, or census data from Australia (which has included a voluntary religious question since 1911).[2
Claims to be the fastest-growing religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Third these numbers are based on the fact that Islam and Baha'i are middle eastern and oriental culturally based. That culture has a birth rate that is about 8 - 1, Christian cultures are more like 2 - 1. India is exploding in numbers even if half of them are starving.

Fourth in Islam and likely Baha'i, a new child is a new convert. In Christianity that is not the case we actually do something crazy. We only count people who are old enough and are completely free from complusion to make a reasoned choice.

Fifth Islam and maybe Baha'i but not likely make leaving the faith a very risky action. In many countries to leave Islam is to risk death.

Sixth numbers have nothing to do with whether they are true or not.

Repeating my offer for you as quoted below

For the second time i am offering you a challenge by giving you a quranic verse in english with it's exact meaning in full details
which is easy to be understood and i'll ask you to make a better verse which will give us the exact similar meaning.

of course as we are in the 21th century with better education than prophet Mohammed pbuh then you'll be able to compose
a much better verse which will give us the exact similar meaning in a few words similar to the verse.

No need for any judgement,everyone will judge himself and if he'll cheat then he'll cheat himself.

And i am offering the challenge for the 3rd time,are you ready.

 

[1robin]

Repeating my offer for you as quoted below




And i am offering the challenge for the 3rd time,are you ready.

I do not remember ever seeing this strange challenge before. I almost never turn down a challenge but this one is almost not worth the effort. I have seen these done on many sites and what happens is the one who is challenged makes at least as good and most of th etime a better verse and the Muslim will not under any circumstances admit it. They equivicate on what better is and invent criteria not know in advance and that does not make any sence. There are many secular literary scholars that have made it clear the Quran is a literary mess. It has misspellings, improper word use, borrowed scripture, incorrect claims, is arranged in a illogical way, non - Arabic words, and scientific inaccuracies. This challenge has been answered many many times. Muhammad is even said to have killed a man in Mecca I believe that was always composing better surahs and Muhammad got tired of it. If you can clarify some standards by which to judge this I will consider it. By what standards is this to be judged? Who is the judge? This is equivalent to proving a junk car is actually a great one by discussing how dirty it's hub caps are (which is as subjective as what is better language). Even if and it certainly is not the case that the Quran is a quality piece of Prose, who cares if it contains false claims in very good style? Apparently Satan made some surahs that were actually in the Quran.

During the last 23 years of Muhammad’s eventful life, Jibraiel dictated Allah’s revelations to him in fragments, which he kept as a garbled mess, and it eventually became the present-day Holy Qur’an! These verses, many of them nonsensical and others spiteful, of the sacred and holy Qur’an were so zealously written by Muhammad’s faithful learned followers on whatever they could find – like parchments, leather tit-bits, on palm-leaves, and even on whatever pieces of bones – and were tossed into various receptacles with no special care to keep the verses in any logical or chronological order -- despite the fact that, these were sanctified hallowed scriptures, the true spoken “Words of the Almighty and ever living God of All”!
True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran
In Surah 18:10-27 we see that Muhammad regurgitated the early Christian Rip Van Winkle-like myth/legend historians know as the "Seven Sleepers of Ephesus" from around the 250's AD. Typical of Muhammad's inattention to any literary or historical detail, Muhammad's Surah has them sleeping for 300-309 years. Surah 18:25 - So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more).
True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran

Actually there is no way to settle an issue like what is the best verse and so I reject this silly challenge: Because of this, many skeptics point out – and rightly so – that literary value judgments are highly subjective. If someone says that he thinks a certain selection of prose or poetry is better than the Qur’ân, who can argue with him? Isn’t it really a matter of personal judgment and taste? Who is to be the arbiter?
Seerah-Stories: The Qur'an's Challenge & some Poetry of Musaylimah al-Kadhdhab [the Liar]

However if you wish to address something more meaningfull and has a standard by which to evaluate it then please do so. Examples: Non Arabic words in the Arabic Quran, the borrowing of pre Islamic heretical and gnostic stories, It's innacurate Biblical claims, innacurate scientific claims, demonic symptoms surrounding Muhammads "revelations", Muhammads terribly violent nature, etc......

 

[FearGod]

I do not remember ever seeing this strange challenge before. I almost never turn down a challenge but this one is almost not worth the effort. I have seen these done on many sites and what happens is the one who is challenged makes at least as good and most of th etime a better verse and the Muslim will not under any circumstances admit it. They equivicate on what better is and invent criteria not know in advance and that does not make any sence. There are many secular literary scholars that have made it clear the Quran is a literary mess. It has misspellings, improper word use, borrowed scripture, incorrect claims, is arranged in a illogical way, non - Arabic words, and scientific inaccuracies. This challenge has been answered many many times. Muhammad is even said to have killed a man in Mecca I believe that was always composing better surahs and Muhammad got tired of it. If you can clarify some standards by which to judge this I will consider it. By what standards is this to be judged? Who is the judge? This is equivalent to proving a junk car is actually a great one by discussing how dirty it's hub caps are (which is as subjective as what is better language). Even if and it certainly is not the case that the Quran is a quality piece of Prose, who cares if it contains false claims in very good style? Apparently Satan made some surahs that were actually in the Quran.

During the last 23 years of Muhammad’s eventful life, Jibraiel dictated Allah’s revelations to him in fragments, which he kept as a garbled mess, and it eventually became the present-day Holy Qur’an! These verses, many of them nonsensical and others spiteful, of the sacred and holy Qur’an were so zealously written by Muhammad’s faithful learned followers on whatever they could find – like parchments, leather tit-bits, on palm-leaves, and even on whatever pieces of bones – and were tossed into various receptacles with no special care to keep the verses in any logical or chronological order -- despite the fact that, these were sanctified hallowed scriptures, the true spoken “Words of the Almighty and ever living God of All”!
True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran
In Surah 18:10-27 we see that Muhammad regurgitated the early Christian Rip Van Winkle-like myth/legend historians know as the "Seven Sleepers of Ephesus" from around the 250's AD. Typical of Muhammad's inattention to any literary or historical detail, Muhammad's Surah has them sleeping for 300-309 years. Surah 18:25 - So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more).
True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran

Actually there is no way to settle an issue like what is the best verse and so I reject this silly challenge: Because of this, many skeptics point out – and rightly so – that literary value judgments are highly subjective. If someone says that he thinks a certain selection of prose or poetry is better than the Qur’ân, who can argue with him? Isn’t it really a matter of personal judgment and taste? Who is to be the arbiter?
Seerah-Stories: The Qur'an's Challenge & some Poetry of Musaylimah al-Kadhdhab [the Liar]

However if you wish to address something more meaningfull and has a standard by which to evaluate it then please do so. Examples: Non Arabic words in the Arabic Quran, the borrowing of pre Islamic heretical and gnostic stories, It's innacurate Biblical claims, innacurate scientific claims, demonic symptoms surrounding Muhammads "revelations", Muhammads terribly violent nature, etc......

So you reject the challenge and i am expecting that you'll do so and even your reason that muslims will already reject your sample verse isn't fair enough,so what about giving me a try,i'll be honest to confirm that yours is better if it will be so.

 

[1robin]

So you reject the challenge and i am expecting that you'll do so and even your reason that muslims will already reject your sample verse isn't fair enough,so what about giving me a try,i'll be honest to confirm that yours is better if it will be so.

The challenge is silly and has no measurable way to identify success. However I don't want gloating over false victories. By the way I notice you dismissed all of my challenges. If you will clarify some standard by which this will be judged and allow a counter challenge then I will participate in this pointless challenge. By the way Shakespear's works are very respected as works of superb literature doesn't make his stories true.