The Hadith, source of Islamic atrocities.

[Mudramoksha]

I did not know my question was so hard to answer

Why? you already know my answer is no without even asking me. Your question is just too hard, really.

 

[Neutral Name]

I guess that could be taken as a compliment..

What I mean is that I have met some good Christians but I have met many people who call themselves Christians who are very hateful. Since Jesus said that the most important thing is to love God and others, if Christians are not following this, they are not following Jesus. If they are not following Jesus, they are not Christians. I am not trying to cut anyone down. I am trying to have people see the truth of Jesus so that they will act as Christians should. Matthew 7:13-7:14

 

[Wasp]

If you see any Muslim wearing islamic clothing and praying 5 times a day, be sure he adheres 100% to the Hadith.
There is not a single prescription of 5 prayers in the Quran, nor anything about their clothing, beards etc.
I am never mislead by words, but always seek the actions to find if someone is lying to me.

100%to the hadith about prayer?

 

[SA Huguenot]

24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them suc h a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)"

Do you see how you are being lied too?
The words are not adressed to the poor slave female, but to her Muslim master!
The Arabic is very clear on its intent.
These words "TO THEM is an insertion by Muslims who are too ashamed to admit that Muslims arfe allowed to ...
1. have female captives
2. and are not only allowed to rape them, but to even pimp them!

Book on Quranic verses 1737
Temporary marriages by giving a woman as little as a garment (Mutwah marriage) (To have a Quickie during war?) Muslims all over the Arab World can enter into a Muthwa marrage for a few hours, and it is according to the laws of Allah. Just a nother way to legalise islamic prostitution. manu of these women are actually kept by Muslim PIMPS, and they are forgiven for their practice under Islamic law.Muslims are not allowed to marry any women that are already married. Except of course, female slaves can be taken as a wife even if they are married! Q 4: 25[1].
Marrage in Islam is a dirty thing.
And one must call Allah when having intercourse.
Book of Holy Quran Virtues 1854 When having sex, Allah must be called to keep Satan away.

A muslim can "Marry" a non Muslim women in captivity, even if she are married!
Q 4: 25And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess (female slaves). [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

 

[SA Huguenot]

It is included in chastity. There are other verses. Such as "protect your private parts..." to make it short. Any kind of sexual act with a person you aren't married to or who isn't a captive is not allowed.

I don't know why you want it to be different.

When are you going to change your profile so we all can see...
MUSLIM.

 

[Neutral Name]

OK, so lets see if the Bible is a violent book in reality, or in your relatice comparison with the Quran.


So, if you capture a girl and uses her as a sex slave, its OK?
Are you sick?
I will personally kill anyone who does that!


And here we have Israel in the desert with God Himself in their midst. a tribe of priests worshipping God daily, with the whole of Israel seing God's glory, and we have a priests' daughter whoring around. God personally tells Moses that she should be executed.
2 things.1. Do you think it would be fine to play harlot in such sircumstances where God himself is present, do you think it is fine to whore around loke the Ba'aalah worshippers around them who sent theit women to play whores with the men of Israel??
2nd, here we have the word of God himself speaking to Moses, then we have Jesus who told the priests who accused a woman of adultery that if they dont have any sin, they can execute her. they did not, because they were not as dedicated in their religion as the priests who served God in Sinai.

So, what?
I like this verse.


Again, here they had God Himself in their midst, and they had Moses a living prophet through who God spoke. And they would call a sorceress?
Do you see the problem here?


Why?
Because of the Evil the Ba'allah worshippers practiced such as burning their firstborn children alive in the arms of a brass idol Molech. using Temple prostitution where every woman must do temple service once a year as a whore, where human sacrifice and canibalism was practiced etc.
Everyone always complain how God does nothing about evil, here He did something, and you have the audacity to call this an atrocity?


And this prophecy happened because Israel (Samaria) went and worshipped Ba'allah, Molech etc.
After Solomons death, the 10 tribes declared that they will leave YHWH, and will worship Ba'Allah.
In the previous note you complained how God destroyed the Cananite people, here you can see that hHis own nation Israel was treated the same.
Guys, Because of this historical event, I totally trust the Judgement of YHWH.
If YHWH took Israel as his nation, lived amongst tem, gave them a land and served them, and they spit in his face like this, and He had them destroyed, sent into captivity to never return to their original land, how much more will He care for those that worship Him and Love Him?
Any Atheist should think twice before they challenge the Living God of Israel!


Note, here we have God Himself in the middle of Israel insreucting Israel to destroy these nations as I explained.
Now you come here and say: Because Moses received an instruction from God personally to destroy 7 nations, Muslims today have a right to kill Christians and Jews because Muhammad said so 1400 years ago!
Damn I am glad I wont have to answer to God on your accusations against inocent people who lost their lives in Islamic terrorism, as you accuse these inocents of being murdered bu YHWH!
Are you realy ready for that?

And what did Jesus say?
I believe in the Old Testament in full, I also realise that there is reasons why things are written in certain times, situations etc.
But, dont ever misguide the judgement that was excercised by God Himself in the wilderness where He personally was, with the curcumstances after Israel and Judah left God.
We are now living with the Laws written in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:31) as Jesus gave it to us.
Show me one place where Jesus said we should go and kill in His Name, or Kill those who Insult Jesus, the Bible, or any fellow Christian.
Therefore your argument is one of willfully atacking Jesus.
Guess what, Jesus told me not to worry, He will one day ask you in person why you did this.


Agg, we already discussed this.


I guess you went to an Atheist website to get the above.
Try the scepticsannodatedbible.com There are much more self centered Atheist Idolatory you can enjoy.
I dont Guess anything in life!
I go and find out for myself.
Just as Muslims listen to their Scholars, You listen to your Atheist priests, and believe everything they say.
Greetings in Jesus' Name.

You are such an angry person. I'm sorry that you are so hateful.

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

1 John
4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Romans
13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

1 Corinthians

13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not
love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I
could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.

13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I
give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me
nothing.

13:4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love
vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily
provoked, thinketh no evil;

13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things,
endureth all things.

13:8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall
fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be
knowledge, it shall vanish away.


1 Corinthians

13:4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love
vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily
provoked, thinketh no evil;

13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things,
endureth all things.

13:8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall
fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be
knowledge, it shall vanish away.


1 Peter 3:8-12
Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.
Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called,
that you may obtain a blessing. For “Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue
from evil and his lips from speaking deceit; let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,

1 Peter 3:8
Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.

John 8:47
Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

Philippians 2:3-4
Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.

James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Matthew 5:47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Matthew 7:1 [ Judging Others ] “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

And let us not forget the woman at the well, a Samaritan, kind of like a Muslim today. And, of course, the story of the good Samaritan who helped the man from Jericho where Jesus describes your neighbor as everyone.

I see no love, gentility or humility in you. Are you sure that you are a Christian?

And you never gave me a good answer about children being killed and pregnant women being ripped open. No matter what, those are atrocities. If you don't believe that, you are completely without morals.

 

[SA Huguenot]

4:19 "O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them - perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good."

Here is something else Allah prescribes for you that might be good!
(Al-Baqara 216) Sahih International
“ Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not. ”Abdullah Yusuf Ali

 

[Wasp]

When are you going to change your profile so we all can see...
MUSLIM.

I would but sugar ocean told me I'm not a Muslim.

 

[Wasp]

Here is something else Allah prescribes for you that might be good!
(Al-Baqara 216) Sahih International
“ Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not. ”Abdullah Yusuf Ali

Thanks. Help spread the word.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I follow Jesus, He is my teacher.
And if Jesus calls the deceivers out for what they are, why should I not?
How else can one tell someone they are teaching the will of devils?
I am a firm believer that Jesus preached Love, but I refuse to keep silent to hurt someone's feelings when I see that he is telling lies to innocent souls!
This "Jesus loves" isa terrible weapon used by the enemy of Christ, to subdue the truth and reality of what realy is going on in the world.
I love all people, I love Muslims, Buddists, LDS, JW's and all the other people on this Earth,
I however will never lie to my own soull by excusing the religious lies!
I hate the lies of Muhammad, Jim Jones, Buddah, and all these religions who have no concience when they kill the soul of MAN.
I never fight any creatoin of God, I will also never stop fighting the ideologies of Satan.
In otherwords, I am a word fighter.
Matt 23:23 Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers. 33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell? 34Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.…
Jesus called Vipers Vipers when they were vipers.
Names Jesus Called the Scribes and Pharisees
1. Ye blind guides (Matt. 23:16).
2. Ye fools (Matt. 23:17).
3. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees…for ye are like whited supulchres…full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness (Matt. 23:27).
4. Ye serpents (Matt. 23:33).
5. Ye generation of vipers (Matt. 23:33).
6. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (Luke 11:44).
7. Ye are as graves which appear not (Luke 11:44).

 

[Wasp]

Do you see how you are being lied too?
The words are not adressed to the poor slave female, but to her Muslim master!
The Arabic is very clear on its intent.
These words "TO THEM is an insertion by Muslims who are too ashamed to admit that Muslims arfe allowed to ...
1. have female captives
2. and are not only allowed to rape them, but to even pimp them!

Book on Quranic verses 1737
Temporary marriages by giving a woman as little as a garment (Mutwah marriage) (To have a Quickie during war?) Muslims all over the Arab World can enter into a Muthwa marrage for a few hours, and it is according to the laws of Allah. Just a nother way to legalise islamic prostitution. manu of these women are actually kept by Muslim PIMPS, and they are forgiven for their practice under Islamic law.Muslims are not allowed to marry any women that are already married. Except of course, female slaves can be taken as a wife even if they are married! Q 4: 25[1].
Marrage in Islam is a dirty thing.
And one must call Allah when having intercourse.
Book of Holy Quran Virtues 1854 When having sex, Allah must be called to keep Satan away.

A muslim can "Marry" a non Muslim women in captivity, even if she are married!
Q 4: 25And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess (female slaves). [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

We talked about the above before.

27:80 "Truly thou canst not cause the dead to listen, nor canst thou cause the deaf to hear the call, (especially) when they turn back in retreat."

 

[SA Huguenot]

I would but sugar ocean told me I'm not a Muslim.

You should never be ashamed of who you are, and who you worship.
I worship Jesus.
And no one will get me to hide this fact.
Come on man, show us the truth!
You have done more to further Islam on this forum, than any other Muslim.

 

[Aupmanyav]

- You've got it inside out buddy. Nonduality, in comparison to atheism, leaves no room for anything to not be God. You're all giddy about the word "Brahman", good for you.
- Well, yeah, it goes with the name. God = All.
- Why do you say "stuff that exists"? what do you mean by this.
-In that case, I'm sure you would see the nonsense of your statement if we reversed it "it would be a mistake to consider God is a Brahman"
or go further "it would be a mistake to consider Brahman, a Brahman" or "it would be a mistake to consider God, a God".
- Actually, the way Dharmakaya is not echoed anywhere in Vedanta but you'll find heaps of related concepts in the Abrahamic religions.

- That is your misunderstanding about Hinduism. Never tell a Hindu that he cannot believe this and must believe that. We are not Abrahamics. We have the right to believe what we believe. NO ONE can question it.
- That is Pantheism and Panentheism. That is not my 'advaita'.
- If you ask me (and many have done so), it is 'physical energy', not to be confused with any divine energy, but like light, heat, electricity, magnetism, etc. Perhaps we started with a ball of energy at the time of Big Bang. Brahman is that stuff.
- It is your confusion speaking. I am an atheist, there is no God/Gods/Goddesses for me.
- What the Abrahamic religions believe is none of my concern. I am not concerned even about what other Hindus believe. My belief is my belief.

 

[Wasp]

I follow Jesus, He is my teacher.
And if Jesus calls the deceivers out for what they are, why should I not?
How else can one tell someone they are teaching the will of devils?
I am a firm believer that Jesus preached Love, but I refuse to keep silent to hurt someone's feelings when I see that he is telling lies to innocent souls!
This "Jesus loves" isa terrible weapon used by the enemy of Christ, to subdue the truth and reality of what realy is going on in the world.
I love all people, I love Muslims, Buddists, LDS, JW's and all the other people on this Earth,
I however will never lie to my own soull by excusing the religious lies!
I hate the lies of Muhammad, Jim Jones, Buddah, and all these religions who have no concience when they kill the soul of MAN.
I never fight any creatoin of God, I will also never stop fighting the ideologies of Satan.
In otherwords, I am a word fighter.
Matt 23:23 Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers. 33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell? 34Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.…
Jesus called Vipers Vipers when they were vipers.
Names Jesus Called the Scribes and Pharisees
1. Ye blind guides (Matt. 23:16).
2. Ye fools (Matt. 23:17).
3. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees…for ye are like whited supulchres…full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness (Matt. 23:27).
4. Ye serpents (Matt. 23:33).
5. Ye generation of vipers (Matt. 23:33).
6. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (Luke 11:44).
7. Ye are as graves which appear not (Luke 11:44).

Something like "it's not enough to merely be honest. It's also very important to be right."

 

[Wasp]

You should never be ashamed of who you are, and who you worship.
I worship Jesus.
And no one will get me to hide this fact.
Come on man, show us the truth!
You have done more to further Islam on this forum, than any other Muslim.

That's so kind of you.

I wouldn't like to take such credit.

 

[icehorse]

These are your beliefs. Icehorse's belief system includes the belief that the Qur'an is filled with the aforementioned. Icehorse believes these things, it is his subjective opinion, not factual to what the Qur'an teaches.

Now we can establish that you have no arguments, you're just empty words and false accusations.

You've got a tough case to make. Start by explaining: 2:191, 4:34, 7:81, 47:4, heck just explain the first couple of pages from Surah 2.

And this is just to start. The book is filled - end to end - with hatred and violence.

 

[Wasp]

You've got a tough case to make. Start by explaining: 2:191

2:190 "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors."

Clear?

 

[Wasp]

You've got a tough case to make. Start by explaining: 2:191, 4:34,

 

[dybmh]

I think it is a bit disingenuous to act like the majority of Muslims are Quran alone Muslims, the majority of Muslims place great emphasis on those Hadith considered authentic by their scholars and are not Quran alone Muslims

The Majority of Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the reliable account of Muhammad's words and teachings. They do not think that Hadith supersedes the Qur'an. Do you disagree?

If there are versions of Islam that put Hadith above Qur'an, please let me know? I do not think that would be Islam.

It looks to me like @dybmh was trying to imply that the majority of Muslims treat the Hadith as mere rumour, which is what my post was addressing.

They treat it as rumor if it contradicts the Qur'an, or if the Hadith contradict each other. Quoting Hadith is not the same as quoting the Word of God.

 

[icehorse]

2:190 "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors."

Clear?

wrong verse