The Hard Truth about Terrorism

[Windwalker]

Originally, God was going to fight against the Canaanites using plagues and natural disasters.

Why? Don't you find it odd that God, being God, would need to do battle using diseases and earthquakes? Why not simply just will them to die? Disrupt their cell structures. Why use "natural disasters". Why not supernatural disasters, like making all their bones disappear and they end up as a mass of flesh on the ground gasping for air right before they die seconds later? Now THAT makes more sense than "natural" disasters. Why leave the door open for interpretation. Just make their bones vanish in their bodies, men, women, young boys, babies, dogs, sheep, etc. (leave the young girls for spoils of war, of course).

Why is it these acts of God, look so much like "natural" occurrences and even called that? Has it never occurred to you that these are stories of primitive people's who were trying to tell tales of the god being better than the next tribe's god?

However, as a punishment for Israel's incredulity, God send them to do the fighting. It is noteworthy that Israel was completely sure that the judgment on the Canaanites had been pronounced by God himself, since the pronouncement was accompanied by miracles and wonders that all Israel witnessed.

Again, stories. The fact is none of it actually even happened, and the ancient Israelites themselves, it turns out, were in fact Canaanites themselves. These are just origin myths.

Those Christians who harm gays are not following Jesus' example. Jesus never hurt anyone and he would have never stoned anyone to death. He came to reveal something that was superior to the Law of Moses: the Gospel of Grace and Mercy. This is what a real Christian must follow.

So then, you consider Jesus' way to be superior to YHWH's way as evidenced in the OT?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

As far as I understand you are confusing genocide with God's judgement. Genocide is when some HUMAN BEINGS decide to kill another group of human beings. God's judgment is when God, in his infinite knowledge, judges and condemns a group of human beings to death. The flood was not a genocide, but God's judgment. The same is valid in regards to Armageddon. No human being will be hurting another human being at Armageddon. God will do the fighting. The exact same thing was going to take place during the war against the Canaanites. Originally, God was going to fight against the Canaanites using plagues and natural disasters. However, as a punishment for Israel's incredulity, God send them to do the fighting. It is noteworthy that Israel was completely sure that the judgment on the Canaanites had been pronounced by God himself, since the pronouncement was accompanied by miracles and wonders that all Israel witnessed.

Those Christians who harm gays are not following Jesus' example. Jesus never hurt anyone and he would have never stoned anyone to death. He came to reveal something that was superior to the Law of Moses: the Gospel of Grace and Mercy. This is what a real Christian must follow.

If an alien came down to Earth and wiped out a specific group of people it'd still be genocide. Genocide is not limited to humans. It's describing an action, not the assailant.

Neverminding that Jesus foretold that people like me will in fact be killed, and that he himself would be doing the killing, and that if Jesus is God then Jesus in fact committed these horrible atrocities prior mentioned, this is once again a No True Scotsman.

OK, guys. I am tired of this. It is completely pointless to discuss these things with you. You hate Christianity much more than you fear Islam and because of that you'll never examine these things objectively. So, you have chosen your path in life.

Just as you hate Islam so you'll never examine it objectively. Instead you resort to generalizations that are no less true of Christians than Islam. Plenty of Christians here don't have that problem, and recognize that there are far more peaceful Muslims than non-peaceful Muslims.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[uncung]

And when Muslim terrorists attack their fellow nationals in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Thailand, China, the Philippines, etc, which invasion are they protesting about?

And when when the terrorists attacked people in Paris, which invasion was that about?

Even if the 9/11 attacks were prompted by US government actions in the Gulf, where is the moral justification for attacking the ordinary citizens of New York.

Your post merely illustrates the moral bankruptcy of so many Muslims.

when muslims attack their fellow nationals, then it is no longer your business, different story if they committed it in EU such Paris.
BTW 911 was an inside job.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As far as I understand you are confusing genocide with God's judgement. Genocide is when some HUMAN BEINGS decide to kill another group of human beings. God's judgment is when God, in his infinite knowledge, judges and condemns a group of human beings to death.

That is a truly frightening mentality - essentially, that is how the Nazis justified their own acts of genocide. It's not genocide, it's working towards a better Germany in the name of God.

You hate Christianity much more than you fear Islam and because of that you'll never examine these things objectively. So, you have chosen your path in life.

I don't hate or fear either one. Why should I? However, I do have many complaints about their doctrine.

 

[Crypto2015]

That is a truly frightening mentality - essentially, that is how the Nazis justified their own acts of genocide. It's not genocide, it's working towards a better Germany in the name of God.

I don't hate or fear either one. Why should I? However, I do have many complaints about their doctrine.

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the Israelites were able to fight against the people of Canaan because God showed them without a shadow of a doubt that he was in command of the situation. He did this by speaking to them and showing them extraordinary miracles. If some religious leader today decides to wage war against somebody and claims that God told him to do it, no Christian will follow him for two reasons: (1) This is not what Jesus taught us to do and Jesus' teachings are our final marching orders, and (2) unless this leader is able to split the sea open and we hear the word of God from heaven we have no reason to believe that he actually has any contact with God.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

You can stop or at least diminish terrorism by acknowledging that there is a clear link between Islamic terrorism and mainstream Islam. As long as this link is not acknowledged, terrorism will continue to increase. The problem is that acknowledging such a link is contrary to the prevailing social paradigm: moral and cultural relativism. Not to mention the fact that nobody wants to make the Saudi oil kings angry, and the Saudi oil kings are some of the biggest supporters of Jihad. That's why you must be prepared to see many other terrorist attacks in the following years. Just think about that fact that this commentary would be censored in many websites (I hope it won't be censored in this one).

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" Voltaire.

They rule because of Saudi money. Oil.

I'd like to know what Omar Mateen had in common with mainstream Islam?

 

[McBell]

when muslims attack their fellow nationals, then it is no longer your business, different story if they committed it in EU such Paris.
BTW 911 was an inside job.

That you did not answer the question is interesting.
Not the least bit surprising though.
Especially given your sad attempt at diverting the topic away from the question that makes you uncomfortable.....

 

[Crypto2015]

I'd like to know what Omar Mateen had in common with mainstream Islam?

The armed struggle against the infidel. When this struggle is sanctioned by a Caliph, in this case that of ISIS, it is lawful to engage in this sort of killing spree. The Qur'an promises a direct ticket to heaven to all those who "slay and are slain" in Allah's cause.

"Offensive Jihad" (as opposed to "Defensive Jihad") is jihad to expand Dar al-Islam (the realm of Islam), transforming Dar al-Harb (the realm of war, i.e. the non-Muslim world) into Dar al-Islam and establish Islamic social order, sharia law. (These world divisions were derived by Islamic jurists, but not mentioned in the Qur'an or collections of hadith.[18]) An example of this kind of jihad is described in a fatwa "Defence of the Muslim Lands, The First Obligation After Iman" calling for jihad in Afghanistan written by Islamist cleric Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.[19] Azzam describes Offensive Jihad as Fard Kifaya, (a collective duty of Muslims) rather than Fard Ayn (an individual duty), and thus a lower priority than defensive jihad:

Where the Kuffar [non-Muslims] are not gathering to fight the Muslims. The fighting becomes Fard Kifaya with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard borders, and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorise the enemies of Allah. It is a duty of the Imam [leader of the Muslim community] to assemble and send out an army unit into the land of war once or twice every year. Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Muslim population to assist him, and if he does not send an army he is in sin. - And the Ulama have mentioned that this type of jihad is for maintaining the payment of Jizya [tax on non-Muslims].[19]

According to another source, (Richard Edwards and Sherifa Zuhur), offensive jihad was the type of jihad practiced by the early Muslim community, because their weakness meant "no defensive action would have sufficed to protect them against the allied tribal forces determined to exterminate them." Jihad as a collective duty (Fard Kifaya) and offensive jihad are synonymous in classical Islamic law and tradition, which also asserted that offensive jihad could only be declared by the caliph, but an "individually incumbent jihad" (Fard Ayn) required only "awareness of an oppression targeting Islam or Islamic peoples."[20]

The parts that are in bold characters explain why it is so important for Muslims to continually stress that they are being oppressed by non-Muslim populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadism#Offensive_Jihad

 

[Aupmanyav]

we can stop terrorism by stopping invading islamic lands.

IS considers India to be an Islamic land - and we don't. So terrorism continues. 2 terrorists killed in Kashmir today.

 

[Crypto2015]

IS considers India to be an Islamic land - and we don't. So terrorism continues. 2 terrorists killed in Kashmir today.

Interesting map. I wonder why they do not include Sicily and Southern Italy. Sardinia was also a Muslim country for a while. That black spot in the middle of Europe is a mistake or it represents a city?

 

[uncung]

IS considers India to be an Islamic land - and we don't. So terrorism continues. 2 terrorists killed in Kashmir today.

Not only India, the entire world belong to ISIS.

 

[Crypto2015]

Not only India, the entire world belong to ISIS.

Do you support ISIS?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Not only India, the entire world belong to ISIS.

At the moment, Jannah belongs to IS. More and more IS operatives are shifting there. As we say in India 'Jannat Nashin'.

 

[uncung]

Do you support ISIS?

If they were true muslims then I have to support them.

 

[uncung]

At the moment, Jannah belongs to IS. More and more IS operatives are shifting there. As we say in India 'Jannat Nashin'.

Jannah is still empty now.

 

[Aupmanyav]

No, Mohammad (PBUH) is there (but I know you are right. Perhaps the name plates are already on the mansions to be given to the martyrs and other eligibles. Osama and Caliph Ibrahim will get two of the largest mansions).