The Health Care Bill Passes!

[The Voice of Reason]

Yes I borrowed these lines but they put the truth in perspective!

The statements are true, but they do not provide perspective. If that email had made those claims about all legislation coming from Congress, then it would have provided perspective. Rather, those lines were written to try to malign the legislation and convince people that don't take the time to educate themselves that it's a bad bill.

The reality is that most of those statements are true of virtually EVERY piece of legislation that comes out of Congress. It does not matter which party is in power at that particular time, there are so many riders and amendments attached to bills in this day and age that no individual actually reads every word of any piece of legislation.

If you want to post tripe like the email that you are quoting from, at least do the decent thing and admit that you like it because it's funny, and don't try to pass it off as "the truth".

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Truth be told I don't want pharmaceutical companies pushing drugs down everyone's throat even if all health care was free! I don't care what's in the bill.

So, in all honesty, your problem is that the bill doesn't go far enough, is that right?
What you are really espousing is that more legislation is needed, with an eye toward reeling in the runaway power of the big pharmaceutical companies.

 

[Ciscokid]

In other words, "I have no idea what is in this bill, but I'm going to rant about what I've heard from conservatives because I want to be against anything democrats do". All you have to do is take a few minutes to educate yourself on what's in the bill, and you won't make inaccurate comments like this anymore.

You're reading me wrong, I don't give a damn about democrat this or republican that...big government is not good. If you think our government can do anything w/o spending WAY too much money to do it and doing it well you're dumber than you sound.

 

[Magic Man]

You're reading me wrong, I don't give a damn about democrat this or republican that...big government is not good. If you think our government can do anything w/o spending WAY too much money to do it and doing it well you're dumber than you sound.

So, the alternative is not to have government then? Good luck.

Instead, why not try to fix the government while using it to provide necessary programs?

Now, I was not reading you wrong. You said that government is now "handling" (read: running) healthcare. That is simply incorrect. This bill does not mean government is running or handling healthcare. It means that government is helping some people get private health insurance.

So, again, please read up on the bill before believing everything you hear from conservatives.

 

[Autodidact]

They pass a healthcare plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it; passed by a congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it. To be signed by a president that also hasn’t read it; and who smokes. And the funding will be administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes; all to be overseen by a surgeon general that is obese; and funded by a country thats broke! Makes good sense to me!

Yes I borrowed these lines but they put the truth in perspective!

Except for being false.

 

[Autodidact]

I'm sure this will all work out now that the government is handling it. Our government is so incompetent that supplies for Katrina victims sat in warehouses for months because nobody could figure out where they were supposed to go or how.

The only thing our government is good at is blowing things up or ****ing them up. I completely agree that our healthcare system was completely broken. I'm not convinced that big government is the answer. We'll find out the hard way. Prepare to be disappointed.

You seem to be confusing "Republicans" with "government."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I really don't see what is so "big government" about telling insurance companies they can't be the same greedy entities they are anymore. I am very dissatisfied with my own insurance charging more and covering less. The Patriot Act is without a doubt the primary big government bill, and the only thing alot of people could say was "well, if you don't have anything to hide."
Now, if the government decided to mandate yearly physicals and exams, then I'd have a problem with that form of big government.

 

[Walkntune]

From what? They already have health insurance, just like me. I don't need a government subsidy because I already have health insurance. There's nothing to exempt themselves from. If they couldn't afford insurance, the government would help them through a subsidy.

Again, learn what the bill says before commenting.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...7IHWAQ&usg=AFQjCNH2UavDRDKJQP73UD-e755evPEhCw

If this is wrong then maybe you can explain?

 

[Walkntune]

The statements are true, but they do not provide perspective. If that email had made those claims about all legislation coming from Congress, then it would have provided perspective. Rather, those lines were written to try to malign the legislation and convince people that don't take the time to educate themselves that it's a bad bill.

The reality is that most of those statements are true of virtually EVERY piece of legislation that comes out of Congress. It does not matter which party is in power at that particular time, there are so many riders and amendments attached to bills in this day and age that no individual actually reads every word of any piece of legislation.

If you want to post tripe like the email that you are quoting from, at least do the decent thing and admit that you like it because it's funny, and don't try to pass it off as "the truth".

Yes it was true and funny and there are actually more than one perspective!

 

[Walkntune]

So, in all honesty, your problem is that the bill doesn't go far enough, is that right?
What you are really espousing is that more legislation is needed, with an eye toward reeling in the runaway power of the big pharmaceutical companies.

Actually I believe this is one of the real issues that is responsible for the bill! Its not enought to slam drugs down our throats with television commercials, now they will get to actually do it with law just like vaccines with children came into law.

 

[Walkntune]

You're reading me wrong, I don't give a damn about democrat this or republican that...big government is not good. If you think our government can do anything w/o spending WAY too much money to do it and doing it well you're dumber than you sound.

Frubals to you.Whatever happened to this good common sense! Private industry can build a rocket for the price of a doughnut compared to Govy! Where does all the money go?

 

[Sunstone]

You're reading me wrong, I don't give a damn about democrat this or republican that...big government is not good. If you think our government can do anything w/o spending WAY too much money to do it and doing it well you're dumber than you sound.

There are obviously some things that the government does better than private enterprize. Fire fighting, for instance.

 

[Walkntune]

There are obviously some things that the government does better than private enterprize. Fire fighting, for instance.

How so? I do agree but just curious!

 

[Reverend Rick]

The disdain for conservatism on this forum is almost more than I can bear. One side believes that the federal government is the solution while the other side believes anything the federal government does is a down right mess.

I'm for government, just less federal government and more state and local control. You know the kind of government that has to balance it's budget? The kind of government that cannot borrow trillions of dollars we cannot afford to pay back.

Before anyone says anything about the money we have spent on wars, let me say this:

I am sick and tired of both sides spending money we do not have.

If Republicans want to fight any more wars, they need to pass a tax increase to pay for it. Something tells me many more Republicans are against additional taxes than they are for war.

Same thing for Democrats, If I hear one more politician tell me to vote for them and they will give me something that the rich will pay for and not cost me a red cent, I'm gonna puke!

 

[Sunstone]

How so? I do agree but just curious!

How so? Read your American history, man. Find out what happened when fire departments were private corporations.

 

[Magic Man]

Exempted From Obamacare: Senior Staff Who Wrote the Bill | The New Ledger

If this is wrong then maybe you can explain?

What is so hard about this? There is nothing to be exempt from. This bill does not give national health insurance. All it does is give financial aid to poorer people so that they can afford private health insurance. Congressmen already have health insurance. They don't need the government to help them afford health insurance.

I'm not sure how to make it any clearer.

 

[Ciscokid]

There are obviously some things that the government does better than private enterprize. Fire fighting, for instance.

Local government tends to do better yes. I'm talking specifically about Federal.