The Holy Trinity and John 17:3

[savagewind]

God's rest? "Job" denotes work. Correct?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Off on a tangent you are. Notice the major point? Please.

God is at rest? Explain please.

 

[Robert.Evans]

God's rest? "Job" denotes work. Correct?

You are saying that because I said it was the saviour's job? Just a figure of speech. Though it was fit for then I think

 

[savagewind]

You are saying that because I said it was the saviour's job? Just a figure of speech. Though it was fit for then I think

It is the savior's job is a figure of speech for what? What are you saying when you say, "isn't that the savior's job"?

 

[savagewind]

God is at rest? Explain please.

According to scripture which is ALL true, according to some people, God is resting this day. Genesis 2:2

 

[savagewind]

The son of God who we call "Jesus" is the way, truth and life. Correct? I believe it. His way is a firm FOUNDATION. A foundation is under feet. I am sure God is not under feet. OK?


1 Corinthians 3:11-13
Matthew 7:24

 

[Robert.Evans]

According to scripture which is ALL true, according to some people, God is resting this day. Genesis 2:2

Yet the lord says that his father works.

 

[savagewind]

Yet the lord says that his father works.

But thinking is necessary for understanding. Do you want to guess or should I explain it?

Hint: Where else is scripture does it say that The Father works?

Nowhere? OK. (Maybe it does, I am no expert ). Keep thinking.....

 

[savagewind]

Are you all hitting a wall? I probably shouldn't think that is funny.

 

[Robert.Evans]

But thinking is necessary for understanding. Do you want to guess or should I explain it?

Hint: Where else is scripture does it say that The Father works?

Nowhere? OK. (Maybe it does, I am no expert ). Keep thinking.....

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh even until now, and I work.
Joh 5:18 For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[Robert.Evans]

So does he work or rest? Or is there more than one father?

 

[savagewind]

So does he work or rest? Or is there more than one father?

But you are not reading it with heart imo. BECAUSE the son works The Father works. BECAUSE Israel, which represents the children of God, does damage God does damage. It is a lesson in the dark.

It is called responsibility.

No Jesus, no work.

 

[Robert.Evans]

But you are not reading it with heart imo. BECAUSE the son works The Father works. BECAUSE Israel, which represents the children of God, does damage God does damage. It is a lesson in the dark.

It is called responsibility.

No Jesus, no work.

sO jESUS works..... okay. Still think it works the other way though.

 

[savagewind]

sO jESUS works..... okay. Still think it works the other way though.

What is the other way around?

 

[savagewind]

I think you are saying God works so that Jesus works. Did Jesus come from God alone? I have heard that Jesus came from Israel, a working Israel. More correctly from a working Judea. Jesus arrived by the works of the children of Abraham, but you will take away their dues. Why?

 

[Windwalker]

Why oh why do people always have to mention that word as if we don't know what "male" is.
God is the Father 1Cor6.8. Masculine.

To point out the absurdity to literally identify God with the male gender. What makes a male a male is is sexual organ. Again, masculine and feminine are characteristics, and they are not dependent on one's sexual gender. When you say God is male, that means he is biologically male. BTW, what does 1 Cor. 6:8 have to do with this?

That would depend on how you are defining God, wouldn't it. I suspect we are poles apart on that one.

John 4:24. God is Spirit. How do you define Spirit? Biologically?

Think again.

Why? What reason should I?

Who in Christianity mentions Sophia? That is gnostic teaching, the very things they rejected.

Except of course for orthodox Christianity, Eastern Orthodox, and so forth. It's not just a Gnostic teaching. Here's a Wiki article on it that shows this if you are curious about knowing the facts about it.

Sophia (σοφία, Greek for "wisdom") is a central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion, Platonism, Gnosticism, Orthodox Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, as well as Christian mysticism. Sophiology is a philosophical concept regarding wisdom, as well as a theological concept regarding the wisdom of the biblical God.

Sophia is honored as a goddess of wisdom by Gnostics, as well as by some Neopagan, New Age, and Goddess spirituality groups. In Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity, Sophia, or rather Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom), is an expression of understanding for the second person of the Holy Trinity, (as in the dedication of the church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople) as well as in the Old Testament, as seen in the Book of Proverbs 9:1, but not an angel or goddess.​

There are certainly two sides to God yes, masculine and feminine. But the God of this world is maculine, unless of course we change it, which it appears we might be about to do. Sounds like spineless men to me who don't seem to know right from wrong nor clean from unclean anymore.

Oh brother..... aren't you "cock-sure" of everything.

 

[Robert.Evans]

What is the other way around?

As I said, more than one father. All things reflect. You know me....haha

 

[savagewind]

As I said, more than one father. All things reflect. You know me....haha

Truly a father is someone a child should want to please. A good father teaches the children right from wrong. The other father does not know right from wrong.
@Windwalker a father is a male figure (I suspect he referenced the wrong scripture)

 

[Robert.Evans]

To point out the absurdity to literally identify God with the male gender. What makes a male a male is is sexual organ. Again, masculine and feminine are characteristics, and they are not dependent on one's sexual gender. When you say God is male, that means he is biologically male. BTW, what does 1 Cor. 6:8 have to do with this?

1Cor8.6 not 6.8; my mistake.
The God of this aeon is the father. He is masculine, male.

John 4:24. God is Spirit. How do you define Spirit? Biologically?

masculine and feminine

Why? What reason should I?


Except of course for orthodox Christianity, Eastern Orthodox, and so forth. It's not just a Gnostic teaching. Here's a Wiki article on it that shows this if you are curious about knowing the facts about it.

Sophia (σοφία, Greek for "wisdom") is a central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion, Platonism, Gnosticism, Orthodox Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, as well as Christian mysticism. Sophiology is a philosophical concept regarding wisdom, as well as a theological concept regarding the wisdom of the biblical God.

Sophia is honored as a goddess of wisdom by Gnostics, as well as by some Neopagan, New Age, and Goddess spirituality groups. In Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity, Sophia, or rather Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom), is an expression of understanding for the second person of the Holy Trinity, (as in the dedication of the church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople) as well as in the Old Testament, as seen in the Book of Proverbs 9:1, but not an angel or goddess.


Oh brother..... aren't you "cock-sure" of everything.

You are saying I am wrong?

 

[Muffled]

I thought I should say a little more here.

John 1:1 talks about the Logos - it does NOT say Jesus is the Logos.

Drop down to John 1:14, - and it uses

εσκηνωσεν

To tent/encamp/occupy within.

John 14 Tells us the Logos became encamped/encased within the Messiah Jesus. It does NOT say Jesus is the Logos.

We are told in John 1 that the Logos is God, therefore ONE.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

The LOGOS is encased in the Messiah, he is NOT the Logos.

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I believe the fact that the Logos is there identifies Him as the logos despite whatever the casing is.