The immigrant round up has begun.

[ADigitalArtist]

Nope.
Nice spin though.

I mean it has to start somewhere.

Yeah, it could start with something that actually addresses the cause, mentality and motive, and legal trappings which make this problem. Deport on Tuesday only means reentry on Friday, while working families are needlessly disrupted because of some truly poor law writing.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ggiMAI&usg=AFQjCNGApNDs3j6Pv1txFyUzSkNODJoE7Q
Just to illustrate that the motive and perspective isn't as simple as it appears.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

If reports are true that 94% of those rounded up have felony criminal records, then it's about time, IMHO.

What reports are those exactly?

 

[Aštra’el]

May the expulsion of those whom Donaldus deems unworthy be swift and without mercy.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I'd much rather have illegal immigrants here, than anti immigrant trashtalking nazis,

Okay, settle down. I don't think anyone here is "anti-immigrant". In fact a couple here - myself included - have specifically stated proper immigration enforcement. This is a matter completely different from jaywalking; firstly in that jaywalking is illegal in the same scope as sneezing on a train in Massachusetts, secondly in that one is less than a misdemeanor and the other is an infringement of legal citizenship status.

 

[Augustus]

Don't they just have to ask them to produce their papers? That can hardly be considered to be terribly invasive.

Fun fact: It is physically impossible to say "Where are your papers?" without experiencing a strong desire to do so in a thick German accent.

 

[George-ananda]

How are cops are supposed to tell the difference?

Obviously by their paperwork.

 

[Revoltingest]

Fun fact: It is physically impossible to say "Where are your papers?" without experiencing a strong desire to do so in a thick German accent.

This is so true.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

So what happens when cops start detaining US citizens because they can't immediately produce immigration papers. As it turns out some of us were born here, and don't have immigration papers. I never carry any papers proving I am a US citizen; I don't even carry my ID (as I don't want to lose it).

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Preposterous. If you are a citizen, then you are documented. SSN, birth certificate, etc.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Preposterous. If you are a citizen, then you are documented. SSN, birth certificate, etc.

None of which I carry. I mean who really walks around with that stuff.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I am sorry but if detecting illegals was as simple as, "Papers please", we would not currently have a problem with illegals.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

None of which I carry. I mean who really walks around with that stuff.

You've got a driver's license, don't you? You need those papers - or equal papers showing citizenship or visa - to get one. And having been in accidents with people who turned out to be illegal immigrants, they usually don't want the police to be called because (surprise, surprise) their documents aren't valid or present.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

You've got a driver's license, don't you? You need those papers - or equal papers showing citizenship or visa - to get one. And having been in accidents with people who turned out to be illegal immigrants, they usually don't want the police to be called because (surprise, surprise) their documents aren't valid or present.

"You've got a driver's license, don't you?"

I don't drive.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Neither does my wife, yet she has one. You can also get identification cards that serve the same purpose.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Neither does my wife, yet she has one. You can also get identification cards that serve the same purpose.

I already said I don't carry my ID. I don't carry important documentation, because it is important and I don't want to lose it.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I think this is more involved than some of you want to admit. There is no quick easy simple solution to illegal immigration. The cops can't just go around accosting people because they don't have white skin. And they can't detain people that can't immediately produce proof they are a US citizen, as it would be far to disruptive on too many lives of lawful citizen.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

All ID's are important; that's no excuse if you're looking to avoid detention. And yet should you be detained, you can be looked up on national databases by name and date of birth.

Also this is more than targeting Mexicans or "not white people." There are illegal immigrants from all nations; even Canada.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

All ID's are important; that's no excuse if you're looking to avoid detention. And yet should you be detained, you can be looked up on national databases by name and date of birth.

Also this is more than targeting Mexicans or "not white people." There are illegal immigrants from all nations; even Canada.

"All ID's are important; that's no excuse if you're looking to avoid detention. "

You really think cops should be allowed to just walk up to someone for no reason and hand cuff them because they don't have an ID on their person? That is a scary thought.

"you can be looked up on national databases by name and date of birth"

If they can fake a SSN they can fake a name and birth date.

"There are illegal immigrants from all nations; even Canada."

Yes, people are clearly concerned over illegal Canadian immigrants, that is why we are building a wall on the Mexican boarder.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I got an idea, how about we all start wearing armbands showing our citizen status, and at any time you are not wearing an armband the cops can arrest you and hold you.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You really think cops should be allowed to just walk up to someone for no reason and hand cuff them because they don't have an ID on their person? That is a scary thought.

And nothing I said suggested that in the slightest. Please do not read into what I write, or assume my sentiments for your agenda.

That said, if you commit a crime and you don't show up in any database, things are bound to escalate.

If they can fake a SSN

And how do we know they fake a SSN? Oh, right--it's fake. But things like sanctuary cities exist.

I got an idea, how about we all start wearing armbands showing our citizen status, and at any time you are not wearing an armband the cops can arrest you and hold you.

I've got an idea; how about people stop resorting to tired drama and historical mis-comparison to plug sympathy for illegal activity?