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The importance of the EVIDENCE in science

cladking

Well-Known Member
I have been talking about mostly about Babylonia and your nonexistent Tower of Babel, not about Egypt, so I have interests in talking about your hatred for Egyptology.

As I've told you countless times I have no hatred for Egyptology.

What I hate is pursuit of science with a religious zeal and mindset that if you can find evidence then it is real and if you can't it is not.

What I hate is the deep and abiding belief that superstition made the pyramid builders strong and capable. What I hate is belief and the belief in belief.

That Egyptology is more invested in belief than most other "sciences" is irrelevant.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
You can't understand I don't belief in the Tower of Babel. I don't believe in the Bible, in Peers, or in science (just Yoko and me and sometimes I'm none too sure about her). This is why I propose that based on EVIDENCE carved in stone that perhaps the "tower of babel" (NOTE LACK OF CAPITALIZATION) might be more a concept than a place. Perhaps (I DON'T KNOW) it was the place where the edict changing the official language from Ancient Language to the pidgin languages was issued. We have the Malta Agreement or Paris Accords and they had the Tower of Babel.

Fine.

You don't believe in the Biblical Tower of Babel.

Then why use ToB at all?

You use it in any case as marker to denote the time (2000 BCE), according to your thread Ancient Reality, that this change in languages from the single "Ancient Language" to multiple "pidgin languages" this time was .

There are problem with this time, because the languages there were already multiple languages existing prior to 2000 BCE - 3rd millennium BCE (3000 - 2000 BCE) in different regions, those languages spoken in Egypt, Amorites in northeast Syria, Sumerian and Akkadian in Sumer (Iraq), in Elamite in Iran, and early Dravidian languages spoken in southern India, were all spoken during this single millennium.

Writing systems were different, if they existed at all, but the archaic forms of Sumerian cuneiform and archaic Egyptian hieroglyphs (plus the cursive hieratic) did predated 3000 BCE. Both cuneiform and hieroglyphs developed more over the centuries to come, but they did predated 2000 BCE.

And some languages, like the Semitic Akkadian and Iranian Elamite didn't develop their own writing systems, instead both adopted Sumerian cuneiform and adapted them to their own respective languages.

Both writing systems continued to be used in the next 2 millennia, where cuneiform were the predominant writing systems adopted by other civilisations prior to the invention of alphabets (c 1150 BCE). Even the end of Bronze Age, did stop Sumerian cuneiform still being used, when Aramaic became the most widely spoken language in the Iron Age Middle East, spoken in Assyria, Babylonia, the Levant, and the Iranian Elam and Persia. Although the 6th to 3rd century BCE Persia spoke Aramaic, Old Persian is actually still the same cuneiform that developed back in 3rd millennium Sumer.

You should know every well that Egyptian hieroglyphs being used during 3rd millennium BCE, not only in the Pyramid Texts in Saqqara, but also found in Memphis, Nekken, Abydos.

If you seriously only one single language was spoken and written prior to 2000 BCE, then you have absolutely no clues to history of linguistics and writings.

Those doodles you have found posted up...

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These "symbols" are innate to the human species.

...are meaningless, if you cannot translate as to what these symbols mean. You cannot even call them "language". You associating the Ancient Language to digital language, is just nothing more than more bogus claims.

I just find that you claiming yourself to be expert in this Ancient Language, just laughable and boastful.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Then why use ToB at all?

Language Is Baffling - The Story of the Tower of Babel - TheTorah.com

"The multiplication of languages and the phenomenon of translation would seem to be good in God’s eyes."

I often think this is much of the reason that people reject the concept of a single language that is representational, digital, and metaphysical. People sense it is evil in the eyes of God, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We are not "supposed" to understand one another so even the recognition that we once could is unacceptable. This event that changed the language was traumatic for the entire human race and caused our forgetfulness and resulted in countless deaths as the old ways and old economy imploded. Recognizing the cause isn't so much painful as it is inviting it to happen again. It is going to happen on our current trajectory because of our hubris, Look and See Science, the inability to see the entire picture, and the inability to rationalize different aspects of human knowledge across specialties and the entire economy. It is especially going to happen again because communication is failing between the 8 billion different languages and even across science itself.

The story is evidence that there are now many languages that are each different than the original.

There are problem with this time, because the languages there were already multiple languages existing prior to 2000 BCE - 3rd millennium BCE (3000 - 2000 BCE) in different regions, those languages spoken in Egypt, Amorites in northeast Syria, Sumerian and Akkadian in Sumer (Iraq), in Elamite in Iran, and early Dravidian languages spoken in southern India, were all spoken during this single millennium.

Well... ...no.

These languages you see are mere predecessors of modern languages. They are pidgin forms of the various dialects of Ancient Language.

Those doodles you have found posted up are meaningless, if you cannot translate as to what these symbols mean.

I believe I know what several of them mean. The others can each be narrowed down to a short list of various meanings.

They certainly wouldn't have been meaningless to the thousands of individuals who drew the exact same symbols in caves all over the world.

I just find that you claiming yourself to be expert in this Ancient Language, just laughable and boastful.

No modern person is likely to ever really understand AL completely. Sure, it's possible we can get a good handle on the cave writing given a lot of time but the glyphs in the Pyramid Texts require 40,000 years of science performed in a manner in which no modern person can think or ever will. Certainly it's possible a machine could be programmed to perform such "calculations" because AL is representational, digital, and metaphysical just like computer code but it is also mathematical which is a feat at which computers excel.

"Evidence" leads us astray in science unless we use it SOLELY for the purpose "God" intended; Hypothesis Formation. Evidence is nearly worthless for trying to see the face of "Amun" or to understand reality and predict the future. Prophets don't need no stinkin' evidence, they need theory. They need to know how the world is put together and why it works the way it does. For some questions science is the answer, for some it's the only possible answer but there are many questions upon which science can shed no light because it is hamstrung by the very metaphysics that makes it work at all.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member

Here is another place where the Bible and ancient thinking had it right and "science" is laughably wrong because they relied on "evidence" instead of experiment;

"Gen 11:6 YHWH said, being that they are all one people and one language, and this is what they have begun to do, anything they scheme to do can no longer be blocked!"

The Bible says the people were made strong by a single language and Egyptology says a shared superstition made them capable and strong.

I shouldn't really need to point out that superstition can only destroy. Yet Egyptology always falls back on their belief in superstitious supermen.

If they used science instead of observation and evidence then they'd have never made such silly claims.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Language Is Baffling - The Story of the Tower of Babel - TheTorah.com

"The multiplication of languages and the phenomenon of translation would seem to be good in God’s eyes."

I often think this is much of the reason that people reject the concept of a single language that is representational, digital, and metaphysical. People sense it is evil in the eyes of God, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We are not "supposed" to understand one another so even the recognition that we once could is unacceptable. This event that changed the language was traumatic for the entire human race and caused our forgetfulness and resulted in countless deaths as the old ways and old economy imploded. Recognizing the cause isn't so much painful as it is inviting it to happen again. It is going to happen on our current trajectory because of our hubris, Look and See Science, the inability to see the entire picture, and the inability to rationalize different aspects of human knowledge across specialties and the entire economy. It is especially going to happen again because communication is failing between the 8 billion different languages and even across science itself.

The story is evidence that there are now many languages that are each different than the original.



Well... ...no.

These languages you see are mere predecessors of modern languages. They are pidgin forms of the various dialects of Ancient Language.



I believe I know what several of them mean. The others can each be narrowed down to a short list of various meanings.

They certainly wouldn't have been meaningless to the thousands of individuals who drew the exact same symbols in caves all over the world.



No modern person is likely to ever really understand AL completely. Sure, it's possible we can get a good handle on the cave writing given a lot of time but the glyphs in the Pyramid Texts require 40,000 years of science performed in a manner in which no modern person can think or ever will. Certainly it's possible a machine could be programmed to perform such "calculations" because AL is representational, digital, and metaphysical just like computer code but it is also mathematical which is a feat at which computers excel.

"Evidence" leads us astray in science unless we use it SOLELY for the purpose "God" intended; Hypothesis Formation. Evidence is nearly worthless for trying to see the face of "Amun" or to understand reality and predict the future. Prophets don't need no stinkin' evidence, they need theory. They need to know how the world is put together and why it works the way it does. For some questions science is the answer, for some it's the only possible answer but there are many questions upon which science can shed no light because it is hamstrung by the very metaphysics that makes it work at all.

Everything you wrote here, are just garbage plus conspiracy theory.

You just compounded your errors with more nonsensical claims...like this :

“but the glyphs in the Pyramid Texts require 40,000 years of science performed in a manner in which no modern person can think or ever will.”

“40,000 years of science”...where do you get this absurdity from?

There are no “40,000 years of science”, and certainly there are no 40,000 years of Metaphysics too.

Those doodles and symbols are meaningless if it cannot be translated into anything contextual meaningful, hence they are not language. And if those symbols aren’t language, they are certainly not “Metaphysics”.

The Pyramid Text inscribed on the walls, have patterns.

They couldn’t be understood in modern language unless there were somethings to compare the hieroglyphs with. And they were able to decipher when they discovered the Rosetta Stone (or Decree Of Memphis) and other similar ancient artefacts, eg Stele of Canopus, Raphia Decree.

All of these stones are dated to Hellenistic period.

The Rosetta Stone contained section of hieroglyphs, section in demotic and another section in Attic-Koine Greek (as do the other stone stelae.

Since ancient Greek haven’t been lost, it made possible for demotic scripts and hieroglyphs.

Hieroglyphs have been used in Egypt from the late 4th millennium BCE to 1st century CE (Roman period).

The points that archaeology were able to translate the Egyptian hieroglyphs.

The same cannot be said about those symbols you posted up. If they cannot be translated to language, then those symbols are texts, then they aren’t written language, hence your claims of universal Ancient Language prior to this nonexistent Tower of Babel is pure BS.

All you have to rely on your Ancient Language & Ancient Science, are just speculation and heavy doses of confirmation bias and circular reasoning.

Lastly, translating ancient texts, hence philology, as well as linguistics, all falls under Humanities, therefore philology and linguistics aren’t “science”. And if these disciplines aren’t science, then they don’t have to rely on Scientific Method, and there would be no need for Peer Review.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Everything you wrote here, are just garbage plus conspiracy theory.

You just compounded your errors with more nonsensical claims...like this :

“but the glyphs in the Pyramid Texts require 40,000 years of science performed in a manner in which no modern person can think or ever will.”

“40,000 years of science”...where do you get this absurdity from?

There are no “40,000 years of science”, and certainly there are no 40,000 years of Metaphysics too.

Those doodles and symbols are meaningless if it cannot be translated into anything contextual meaningful, hence they are not language. And if those symbols aren’t language, they are certainly not “Metaphysics”.

The Pyramid Text inscribed on the walls, have patterns.

They couldn’t be understood in modern language unless there were somethings to compare the hieroglyphs with. And they were able to decipher when they discovered the Rosetta Stone (or Decree Of Memphis) and other similar ancient artefacts, eg Stele of Canopus, Raphia Decree.

All of these stones are dated to Hellenistic period.

The Rosetta Stone contained section of hieroglyphs, section in demotic and another section in Attic-Koine Greek (as do the other stone stelae.

Since ancient Greek haven’t been lost, it made possible for demotic scripts and hieroglyphs.

Hieroglyphs have been used in Egypt from the late 4th millennium BCE to 1st century CE (Roman period).

The points that archaeology were able to translate the Egyptian hieroglyphs.

The same cannot be said about those symbols you posted up. If they cannot be translated to language, then those symbols are texts, then they aren’t written language, hence your claims of universal Ancient Language prior to this nonexistent Tower of Babel is pure BS.

All you have to rely on your Ancient Language & Ancient Science, are just speculation and heavy doses of confirmation bias and circular reasoning.

Lastly, translating ancient texts, hence philology, as well as linguistics, all falls under Humanities, therefore philology and linguistics aren’t “science”. And if these disciplines aren’t science, then they don’t have to rely on Scientific Method, and there would be no need for Peer Review.


All you're doing is gainsaying again. you are presenting no evidence and no logic to counter my interpretation. You made up your mind based on "evidence" and have decided that nothing can dissuade you. On this basis you ignore the vast evidence including the scientific method that support my contentions. You simply pronounce that the same "scribbles" in caves all over the world can't be words because they breaks Zipf's law exactly like the Pyramid Texts breaks Zipf's Law. You say that Egypt had the same language for thousands of years despite the fact this can't be known because the earliest writing is superstitious gobbledty gook incantation that can't be understood. You ignore the patterns I've found in it that allowed actual predictions. You ignore huge amounts of evidence because it doesn't fit what you believe. Then you claim the only way to understand what you call the "Laws of Nature" is by looking at the evidence. You ignore the fact that this is exactly what witch doctors and the superstitious do; look at the evidence. You ignore the fact Egyptology won't do basic fundamental science and even the infrared signature of G1 that could be made with century old technology has never been seen by the Peers who you continually quote as though they have all the answers so interpretation of evidence is unnecessary and counterproductive. You only sing the praises of evidence when it agrees with you and the rest of the time you can't see it and don't want to hear about it. This is why witch doctors work so poorly. This is why Look and See Science works so poorly. This is why real science was invented in the first place; evidence sucks because everyone sees what he expects. Why can't you even comment on this? Why can't you see all the times even real science has been wrong and Look and See Science is always wrong?

The Pyramid Text inscribed on the walls, have patterns.

New evidence suggests these are mere wall decoration. They have nothing to do with religion and magic or even what they concern. The happen to be rituals and are laid out to beautify the walls.

“40,000 years of science”...where do you get this absurdity from?

[sigh]

Humans have acted like humans for 40,000 years. I believe this evidence suggests that there was a mutation that tied the speech center to higher brain functions which allowed complex communication which led to the ability to pass learning down through the generations. In those days you kept up with science or you couldn't even communicate with other people. Today science progresses one funeral at a time.

[/sigh]

You can come up with another theory why all the evidence says that the pyramids were built with linear funiculars, Egyptology is stuck in a 19th century rut, and people believe Peers define reality by looking at the evidence. Try to explain why AL had a mere handful of words, humans have two speech centers, and the same words were inscribed in caves all over the world with the same theory. Try to explain why history started 1200 years after the invention of writing. Explain why the pyramid builders said the pyramids were not tombs but every single Egyptologist says they were. There are plenty of anomalies no matter what you believe or how you interpret ANY evidence.

"Evidence" is not science. Hypothesis is science and experiment creates theory. The ancients knew that the holy trinity was "Knowledge > Understanding > Creation and evidence be damned. But homo omniscience has forgotten because there's money to be made in bad science. So we get an awful lot of this now days; REALLY bad science.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
As long as you're finally going to actually respond to what I ask and explain so many things why not explain how the same symbols can be painted in caves all over the world unless they are innate to the human species; specifically homo sapiens?


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cladking

Well-Known Member
As long as you're finally going to actually respond to what I ask and explain so many things why not explain how the same symbols can be painted in caves all over the world unless they are innate to the human species; specifically homo sapiens?


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Since you don't really care about evidence except what supports your beliefs you wouldn't notice that there are none of these symbols whatsoever that don't appear in the largest collection of symbols. This implies they are all part of the exact same group of symbols and that they are language related.

These are theory. They are the first human understandings. They are not truly "symbols" at all because "symbol" is an abstraction. They are representations of theories and hence they are the words that made metaphysical language work. They are the words of the gods as we mistranslate Ancient Language. "God" really meant "nature" making these the "representations of nature" known by cavemen.

But now days people only want to do "evidence" which is believed to be everything Siri says and nothing else. Siri can't tell you how the human race began or that it ended at the "tower of babel" so it can't be true.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
All you're doing is gainsaying again. you are presenting no evidence and no logic to counter my interpretation. You made up your mind based on "evidence" and have decided that nothing can dissuade you. On this basis you ignore the vast evidence including the scientific method that support my contentions. You simply pronounce that the same "scribbles" in caves all over the world can't be words because they breaks Zipf's law exactly like the Pyramid Texts breaks Zipf's Law. You say that Egypt had the same language for thousands of years despite the fact this can't be known because the earliest writing is superstitious gobbledty gook incantation that can't be understood. You ignore the patterns I've found in it that allowed actual predictions. You ignore huge amounts of evidence because it doesn't fit what you believe. Then you claim the only way to understand what you call the "Laws of Nature" is by looking at the evidence. You ignore the fact that this is exactly what witch doctors and the superstitious do; look at the evidence. You ignore the fact Egyptology won't do basic fundamental science and even the infrared signature of G1 that could be made with century old technology has never been seen by the Peers who you continually quote as though they have all the answers so interpretation of evidence is unnecessary and counterproductive. You only sing the praises of evidence when it agrees with you and the rest of the time you can't see it and don't want to hear about it. This is why witch doctors work so poorly. This is why Look and See Science works so poorly. This is why real science was invented in the first place; evidence sucks because everyone sees what he expects. Why can't you even comment on this? Why can't you see all the times even real science has been wrong and Look and See Science is always wrong?



New evidence suggests these are mere wall decoration. They have nothing to do with religion and magic or even what they concern. The happen to be rituals and are laid out to beautify the walls.



[sigh]

Humans have acted like humans for 40,000 years. I believe this evidence suggests that there was a mutation that tied the speech center to higher brain functions which allowed complex communication which led to the ability to pass learning down through the generations. In those days you kept up with science or you couldn't even communicate with other people. Today science progresses one funeral at a time.

[/sigh]

You can come up with another theory why all the evidence says that the pyramids were built with linear funiculars, Egyptology is stuck in a 19th century rut, and people believe Peers define reality by looking at the evidence. Try to explain why AL had a mere handful of words, humans have two speech centers, and the same words were inscribed in caves all over the world with the same theory. Try to explain why history started 1200 years after the invention of writing. Explain why the pyramid builders said the pyramids were not tombs but every single Egyptologist says they were. There are plenty of anomalies no matter what you believe or how you interpret ANY evidence.

"Evidence" is not science. Hypothesis is science and experiment creates theory. The ancients knew that the holy trinity was "Knowledge > Understanding > Creation and evidence be damned. But homo omniscience has forgotten because there's money to be made in bad science. So we get an awful lot of this now days; REALLY bad science.
Man...:facepalm:

You are just repeating the same garbage as you did when created at Ancient Reality thread.

This thread is not about your hatred for Egyptology and ramps, and it is not about pyramid building or pyramid texts, not about your untranslatable doodles, not about your Ancient Language (or metaphysical language) or your Ancient Science.

Why must you bring the pseudoscience and pseudo-archaeology concepts to this thread and to every other threads that reply to, in which you are the only one who believe in?

This is about why evidence are used in science.

You continue to say and use evidence are the “Look and See Science”...meaning you are against OBSERVATION being used as evidence. But you also say that the only “true” science is one do experiment.

I am not oppose to using experiments in science at all, but science are limited to just experiments.

The problem is that you don’t understand is that “experiments” are OBSERVATIONS too. Experiment is “Look and See”.

Every test results from lab experiments are the results of observations, whenever you record what you have detected/observed, counted, measured, compared, tested, verified/refuted, etc...they are all observations, hence a experiment is the “Look and See” science.

Experiments are often confined what can be controlled in laboratories - the observations and evidence are controlled.

What make experiments useful in science, is they are repeatable, not only by authors of the hypotheses, but they are reproducible in labs elsewhere, and can be independently tested by other scientists (in the same fields).

But not every discoveries of evidence can be confined in a laboratory. Some evidence must be sought outside of the laboratory.

You seemed to be ignoring that the evidence can be discovered in the labs and outside the lab. They are all observations, including lab experiments.

Observations are more than just seeing with a person’s eyes. Observations are about using whatever tools, equipment or device to assist with observations.

For instance, we know that electricity are used to power whatever appliances and devices but we cannot measure the power, voltage, current and resistance with using eyesight alone. We used multimeters or oscilloscopes to measure each of these properties of electricity and the electrical components of circuitry.

The multimeter and oscilloscopes are not just use as fun of measuring watts, joules, volts, amps, ohms, they are useful in assisting in design and manufacturing appliances and other devices, but also to diagnose faults when they break down.

Oscilloscopes and multimeters can be used in labs as devices to record measurements, but they can be used outside of the labs.

NASA and ESA have constructed mobile devices (rovers) and sent them to explore the Mars’ surface. They are equipped with various devices that can -
  • detect the evidence (observations),
  • record the evidence (more observations),
  • measure the evidence (again observations),
  • test & analyze the evidence (still observations)
All the important data collected by these rovers are sent back to NASA or ESA, or both if they are joint operations, for scientists to examine & to further analyze data from the evidence, and to learn what those rovers have discovered.

The various rover missions have to take place outside the confines of a laboratory. Now unless we can sent scientists to Mars with whatever lab equipment needed, there are no possible ways to perform experiments.

The points, to you, that whatever you may think, about observations and being anti-look-and-see, experiments are observations too.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
No. You keep bringing this stuff up as in posts 41 and 44.

"There are no such things as Nephilim, it's a myth. You were the one who brought are mythological Nephilim in past threads."

No matter how many times I've objected you ignore what I'm saying about the nature of evidence and then you accuse me of believing in conspiracy theories. I believe in no conspiracy theories. I believe in no conspiracy theories of any type and believe that people are plainly stupid enough to misbehave individually. Here I am trying to have a conversation about "evidence" and you are not responding to my points and are merely gainsaying everything. I'll try again; everyone sees what he believes so evidence does not even exist as part of the scientific method. It simply doesn't matter if one uses a ouija board to come up with hypothesis. The ONLY thing that matters is experiment and its interpretation.

Ignore that!!!
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Experiments are often confined what can be controlled in laboratories - the observations and evidence are controlled.

Every experiment ever conducted shows this to be false. Neither observation nor evidence are controlled and THIS is why modern science was invented at all; experiment can be controlled.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Evidence to. Rational human.

Humans exist today only by human sex.

Human sex determined the body type of baby inherited. Human.

Conditions

O earths is itself. Heavens natural. Moon is natural.

Nature is natural.
Humans are natural.

No thesis no argument evidence. Evident.

No scientist owns an argument or a thesis. As a human.

Theists evidence science. Machines humans designed. Machines humans control. Forced changes to the body they study via machine use.

As machines first owns no physical fixed position anywhere.

As soon as they begin building machine begins their caused reactive change. Not evident.

What a human cannot observe is said first. Natural cannot observe.

Places information a human only subjective to scrutiny that they were never meant originally to see.

Balances held as it's natural evidence.

Is not learning. It is egotism that begins in human change the start to destruction.

Science term was the destroyer.

Healers natural awareness could visionary Idealise bodily dysfunction naturally. Why science knew ideas before the machine status as natural humans first was built.

Medical awareness was used against us is the known human aware evident natural human history.

As a man only owns his self first.

That man 100 years ago is deceased in biological medical science.

That man is 100 years into his future deceased also.

The man says I am only surviving because of human sex.

The states that changed his baby man life O earth body. It's heavens.

What he is born into determines what type of human he will be by body or mind conditions.

A baby born by sex learns why it suffers human life as the two states he never owned were changed by humans before him named scientists.

A human teaching science is learning how to destroy all life from its tiniest presence to his owned person.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Gods use of science and math to create all this was precision.
Mans misuse of science and math in their little knowledge, has polluted the air, land, water, thus our food, Put a huge hole in the ozone layer causing havoc weather all over the earth ruining mankinds lives daily. Not to even mention they are selling us cancer and know it.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Scientist a man gave C value C H Rist arose spirit out of earths body it's name. Humans said it.

Said as a living man God gave me back and healed my baby DNA given by a God status as a previous supported life. Just human.

Was the God the man who did it?

No.

Did God heal the DNA?

No. The heavens status Christ mass had.

Christ mass meant changed pressure. Changed pressure held water pressure. Oxygenated...oxygen increased as did waters presence mass. Fills in more space itself.

More space filled back in life given back

A teaching for liars.

A teaching.

So does math own pressure?
No space zero did

Why you lied liar scientist.

O earth same body for everyone.
Heavens same state for everyone

Both are mass.

A liar uses separated gases in a formula.
Is a human your human formula?

Real answer. I am self. I am selfish. I think only for myself as myself. I gather a cult following. I try to guarantee my importance

Together my group and I murder anyone bully or torment threaten as we are all just so important as humans. Part of our tactic is to humiliate.

A baby gets born. Wonders what it did wrong to Inherit such evil minded family members. Then tells the story why.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Gods use of science and math to create all this was precision.

This is totally absurd.

Sciences and mathematics are humans way of attempting to understand the world.

In sciences, more specifically natural sciences and physical sciences as opposed to social sciences, are attempts to explain natural phenomena or physical phenomena, which are only accepted as factual knowledge when they have been verified and tested through observational evidence, eg experiments.

Mathematics are useful logical tools that are expressed through numbers, variables and constants. These expressions often in the forms of equations.

Both sciences and mathematics were discovered sometimes through insight or through hard work or through trial-and-error or through discoveries.

No gods invented sciences & mathematics. What you are claiming is just you have absolutely no understanding of maths and sciences.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
In nature every single one body type of any form exists completed ended to be form.

Not begin only ended.

And any end is any thing present natural first.

As was a human who thinks.

A thinking human did not create creation by thinking. Yet make an ego claim that their thoughts knew.

What did you know?

Every single thing already existed.

What one condition hadn't any one thing owned?

A name by a word.

Human applied only.

A conscious choice I have dominion over all things.

So you know you are not any other one thing at all first. Human advice.

Science maths hence is not existing yet.

Your ego however wants to have an argument against what you first See...whole forms.

You say I know little forms are involved with whole forms.

A really wrong choice.

As everything is supportive of anything else you said first.

One is position any one type of any body holding owning one form. Is not science. It is observation only.

So you cannot see little. Yet you want to.

So you theme I will enlarge the little to look at it.

You however don't have any machines.

What would you do?

I will thesis.

So thesis only involved maths drawing designs by thinking yet projecting by thinking.

Study was first.

You had to conceptualise O was first. Even thought said O was not your whole one human form body.

A human was your body first.

Yet O earth. O moon. O sun.

Three different bodies were held.

So you said O must also be space a space one of and not present nothing.

O nothing he said cannot be expressed as actually nothing.

Yet it was the holder.

O so you said it was pi. A number.

Yet the number was not infinite. You lied.

Science was proven a liar by concept.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Mathematics are useful logical tools that are expressed through numbers, variables and constants.

No. No, it is not.

Math is merely logic as expressed in numbers which are a construct rather than reality itself. Reality is digital math, all math, is analog even binary is analog as we do it. To say God doesn't exist because He appears in no equation and no experiment is non sequitur.

To say the underlying reality and what you call "laws of nature" can't be controlled by some external force is unknowable at this time.

This is highly metaphysical but if you can understand it you might get a better appreciation for what other people believe AND what you believe;

  1. "no effort made to call forth new sorts of phenomena.
  2. no effort to discover anomalies.
  3. when anomalies pop up, they are usually discarded or ignored.
  4. anomalies usually not even noticed (tunnel vision/one track mind).
  5. no effort to invent new theory (and no tolerance for those who try).
  6. "Normal-scientific research is directed to the articulation of those phenomena and theories that the paradigm already supplies" (24).
  7. "Perhaps these are defects . . . "
    1. ". . . but those restrictions, born from confidence in a paradigm, turn out to be essential to the development of science. By focusing attention on a small range of relatively esoteric problems, the paradigm forces scientists to investigate some part of nature in a detail and depth that would otherwise be unimaginable" (24).
    2. . . . and, when the paradigm ceases to function properly, scientists begin to behave differently and the nature of their research problems changes."

Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions - outline

No matter how many anomalies show up in science most aren't even seen and relatively few scientists are capable of looking at the evidence dispassionately. There's a simple reason for this; scientists use their models as mnemonics to remember experiment and when they try stepping out of their belief system their models implode. You can't look at things from another perspective if you can't step outside your beliefs OR if you carry your beliefs with you when you try.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Men said space is an immeasurable stretched spatial plane surrounding all held energy bodies as O.

I will name it pi. I pretended it owned a number.

Father taught me. Listen to his word expression. He advises you he lies.

He said infinite the stretch of the plane cannot be factored.

As a hole space compared to mass is in fact just a plane.

Why gases empty of mass itself can sit inside the plane.

He then said O a mass emptied of it's plane is found scattered destroyed as heat proves it blew it apart. O heating the plane at the point O of mass.

I must remind myself earth science created invented holes in space.

Part of my own man of science conscious memory.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Math is merely logic as expressed in numbers which are a construct rather than reality itself. Reality is digital math, all math, is analog even binary is analog as we do it. To say God doesn't exist because He appears in no equation and no experiment is non sequitur.

A) If you read my post, I clearly stated that maths is logical expression of numbers, like equations. This logical modelling are used to solve problems, hence maths are useful tools, that have many applications, in various different disciplines and different fields, such as in sciences, engineering, technology, businesses, etc.​

So ALL MATHS are all "man-made modelling", hence as you had called it, they (maths) are "construct". I had never said otherwise. So I don't see why you think otherwise.


B) I find you are playing word game. First, you say maths are construct, not reality (highlighted in red), then you say "Reality is digital math".

Your 2nd sentence have basically contradicted your 1st statement.​

All maths are human constructs - digital or otherwise.

As I said earlier, maths are tools, that have many real-world applications.

That you think reality is digital maths, is actually utter nonsense. Digital maths are also constructs.

And...

C) (highlighted in blue), I didn't say God don't exist. What I actually said, that no god created any mathematical equations.​

Every maths were formulated by humans, eg mathematicians. That's fact, so not non sequitur.

What's not facts, that god created mathematics.

@kjw47 made false claim (about God creating sciences and maths)...while you've made bunch of other false claims in just that first paragraph of yours, alone.
 
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