The importance of the EVIDENCE in science

[rational experiences]

Humans biological as humans equal humans do all the thinking stories.

A human. The human.

I think. You think. I think naturally. Science thinks naturally as a human but imposes the chosen topic...I want to know is said first. Is not any condition.

It is a choice of a human then agreed by other humans.

I don't use maths or any subject maths in creation to just talk about eternal God.

I state yes there was a body before created creation. The same as any human thinking only states.

The body was not all destroyed.

Science says the body creation came from still exists....space. That plane pi space the burnt removed body.

I say space once never existed.

An argument.

If science could not infer space was always there. The theme would change.

The eternal I claim is not space. Nor is it burnt cooled mass. As the burning introduced space a plane of removed lost eternal.

Science hence asks human to human. How do you know for certainty.

Human experience is the only answer. Single human experiences.

Which does not by conditions equal a theists want everything everyone.

Straight away the theist gets angered.

So if you ask what are you angry about just my story for?

His reply you aren't giving me a maths science answer.

Reasoning. As there isn't an answer.

He says science claims before life and after life is not any scientific proof itself.

So how am I suppose to argue an angry scientists theory?

My claim only a portion of the eternal body was lost to created creation.

Reasoned by memories parents owned visionary recorded lives.

Coming into earths atmosphere walking above ground. Earthed into human being. As human father witnessed human mothers emergence it is recorded in human father's memory.

First spirit advice life was walking above the ground. I've known lots of friends who thought they were moving over the surface first not grounded walking. Human memory itself.

I was shown.

It made sense to me. How could you have water which is mass itself as the state water that began in space first inside of our body form unless it enters a pre owned body type.

The body type would be vibrated changed by the lesser body...water. hence not just water would inherit the body result.

Water hence always held its origin one first form just water.

Infinite space around earth filled in by gas and water held the other proof.

Water keeps us protected from UFO sun radiation.

A natural experience versus a natural experience using a chosen topic as object studies is not scientific proof that I am wrong.

 

[cladking]

B) I find you are playing word game. First, you say maths are construct, not reality (highlighted in red), then you say "Reality is digital math".

I'm sorry. My punctuation was poor. It's supposed to read "reality is digital, math is analog". Reality is logic manifest and math is logic quantified.

Numbers are a construct because in reality there are only zeros and ones. Something doesn't exist, then it does, and then doesn't again. There's no such thing as two of anything. This is the fundamental "flaw" in mathematics.

@kjw47 made false claim (about God creating sciences and maths)...while you've made bunch of other false claims in just that first paragraph of yours, alone.

Perhaps I misunderstood and/ or should have stayed out of it but I interpreted his statement to mean that perhaps God or a Higher Power invented, created, or maintains mathematics and what you call the laws of physics. Perhaps God is Logic Itself.

The problem here is really simple; outside of definitions and beliefs "evidence" has no meaning. Without a paradigm and the metaphysics that underlies it there is no means of interpreting any "evidence". You are trying to use "science" to do things it can not do which is explain things that lie outside of experiment or its own metaphysics.

 

[rational experiences]

Men this king thin king claim O body mass O circle is one.

O ne the word says so and is used first to quantify human thought.

So men said O was one and O in one place only.

Science shifts the placement 1010101010.

In O earth the o.one planet moves ooooooooooooooooo itself as 1. The only place humans exist.

One meant O planet only by human thought word first O NE.

Ne ....originally called or born.

O ne said O earth had always been taught as being the one.

 

[gnostic]

I'm sorry. My punctuation was poor. It's supposed to read "reality is digital, math is analog". Reality is logic manifest and math is logic quantified.

Numbers are a construct because in reality there are only zeros and ones. Something doesn't exist, then it does, and then doesn't again. There's no such thing as two of anything. This is the fundamental "flaw" in mathematics.

Again, you have no idea of what of you are talking about.

If there are no such things as binary numbers - “0” & “1” - then computers and network shouldn’t work at all.

Whether it be computer codings of instructions or data stored, or data transmitted or received over the network, the instructions and data must be converted into ones and zeroes, for computers or network to work at all. Without binary numbers, your mobile calls wouldn’t function, because that how smart phones and mobile network work.

And what get converted to binary, must be able to converted back to whatever audio-video or audio (eg mobile calls) or data that people can read on their screens. Analog signals get converted into digital signals during transmission, then get converted back to analog.

If binary numbers don’t exist, then why do you have computers, tablets and smartphones.

Your 2nd mistake, is to say “reality is digital”.

You say there is something wrong with using binary numbers, you saying they are being “fundamental flawed”.

Guess what, cladking.

Having being studying computer science in the mid to late 90s, and being in computer industry for 22 years, digital technology is all about learning that computers (as well as mobile devices and network) only “compute” in ones and zeroes, eg to store and retrieve data, transmit and receive signals, in their binary formats.

Digital technology is all about the binary numbers that you so hate.

So yes, cladking, once again, you are contradicting yourself - the proverbial putting one’s foot in his mouth.

 

[ppp]

Numbers are a construct because in reality there are only zeros and ones. Something doesn't exist, then it does, and then doesn't again. There's no such thing as two of anything. This is the fundamental "flaw" in mathematics.

Numbers don't exist. Not even zeros and ones. Numbers are descriptors of relationships between between things.

If there is no such thing as two of anything, how did I just eat two tamales?

The problem here is really simple; outside of definitions and beliefs "evidence" has no meaning.

Then on what grounds should we accept anything that you claim to be the case?

 

[rational experiences]

I watch digital tv all earths man cooled by scientists knowledge water oxygens heaven owned.

Not UFO radiation owned present seen cooled as UFO radiation.

Not Rock cooled as Rock.

Water biology life ownership only. Our water you used as new technology.

Yet you see both products which you want changed.

Tv disappears by squares of images losing images happens many times.

Proves radiation increase is destroying technology attacked.

Why you gained new sink holes. NEW what you wanted you said I want new earth body removal. It shifted and never came back.

Reason hot cloud was already shifting mountains in landslides. Law of God said the scientist is mountain first.

 

[rational experiences]

Old science said law of God the mountain made man's image by mud slides.

 

[gnostic]

And btw, cladking.

Those CDs, DVDs and Blu-ray disks.

When you “burn” song, video or data on to those disks, it create series of microscopic indentation on the surface; these indentations are referred to as “pits”, while between every pits, there are “lands”.

So when your player or disk drive playback these series of pits and lands, these represent one and zero signals - the digital format.

The digital format (binary) are converted back to analog format, could be readable data on your screens, pictures or video on your screen and audio through speakers or headphones.

So in the computer world and mobile devices, there are lots of conversions going on - from analog to digital and digital to analog.

Even when people now preferred using cloud networks or streaming videos over Blu-ray & DVDs, computers and network still only understand series of binary numbers.

 

[cladking]

If binary numbers don’t exist, then why do you have computers, tablets and smartphones.

You are missing the point.

The number 2 does not exist in reality. It is an abstraction because there are not two of anything. It doesn't matter if you express it as "2" in base 10 or as "10" in base 2 there are still not two of anything at all.

Math works not because numbers are real but because all operations are logical.

Your 2nd mistake, is to say “reality is digital”.

Just as you can't point to two of anything you also can't can't point at anything that's half real or to ten things that add up to something real. Something exists or it does not. Reality is digital but our brains now work analog. But brains are real and each individual has one. This makes brains digital and all brains work digitally. Each neuron is always a "one" or a "zero". Where once we calculated digitally and experienced reality digitally we are now analog.

The problem with analog operations is many fold but the belief we can look at "evidence" and determine reality is one of the chief ones. "Evidence" can be seen only in terms of our beliefs (models) and is experienced as being analog because this is imposed on our brains through language.

We only think that evidence determines our beliefs but it's always far more true that our beliefs determine the evidence.

To get peeks at reality it is necessary to use logic to tie evidence not to theory but to other evidence. But once this is done and new theory arises we must be cognizant that the very nature of evidence is tied not to reality but to belief and models. It's rather anomalous that only anomalous evidence is relevant to understanding reality but this evidence must first change us not its applicability to theory.

We mistake our beliefs, models, and paradigms for reality itself. Everything we see is evidence to support our beliefs in everything from the "Laws of Nature" to Sasquatch. We all proceed on "evidence" that also isn't "real" but rather is our interpretation of reality.

 

[cladking]

If there is no such thing as two of anything, how did I just eat two tamales?

I interpret this to mean you are claiming that there once existed a first and a second tamale that each no longer exist because you just ate them.

I find the claim quite credible.

 

[cladking]

Then on what grounds should we accept anything that you claim to be the case?

Logic is the glue that hold both reality and evidence together. Reality is this glue and evidence is our interpretation of the shape of reality.

It is chiefly logic with which I am trying to communicate but there is a problem with the widespread belief in science as well as the belief that only the current paradigm can provide the framework for its interpretation. A paradigm is like a perspective and some things are simply invisible from some perspectives. Everything that's important to life, consciousness, and the human "species" is invisible in terms of the current paradigm. As such it is not merely highly flawed but it is dangerous and it is not at all useful. We build nice binary controllers for everything but they fail after a few years and we have to buy new refrigerators and machines. This is a total failure when we have billions of lifetimes and human suffering making inferior products for our landfills. If we're going to stuff our landfills to overflowing to make a few people rich it behooves us to throw away a higher grade of crap. What will aliens think of us when they dig up our extinct landfills in a million years?

The evidence is in plain sight but goes unseen because the paradigms interpret it differently. Meanwhile we rush headlong into oblivion like so many lemmings racing to the cliffs.

 

[ppp]

I interpret this to mean you are claiming that there once existed a first and a second tamale that each no longer exist because you just ate them.

Well, they no longer exist as tamales. But the mass and energy still exists.

But I still don't understand what you mean by there is no such thing as two of anything.

 

[cladking]

But I still don't understand what you mean by there is no such thing as two of anything.

The tamales were less alike than most two snowflakes. Even if you ever found two snowflakes that looked exactly alike one would contain more molecules from your tamales than the other.

Everything in existence is unique.

 

[ppp]

Logic is the glue that hold both reality and evidence together. Reality is this glue and evidence is our interpretation of the shape of reality.

I think you mixed your metaphors a bit there, but I think I get what you are saying.

It is chiefly logic with which I am trying to communicate but there is a problem with the widespread belief in science as well as the belief that only the current paradigm can provide the framework for its interpretation.

I don't think that it is the only one. But I do think that it is the most reliable.

A paradigm is like a perspective and some things are simply invisible from some perspectives. Everything that's important to life, consciousness, and the human "species" is invisible in terms of the current paradigm.

I am not sure what you mean. None of those things are invisible to any of the paradigms that I use. Including science

We build nice binary controllers for everything but they fail after a few years and we have to buy new refrigerators and machines. This is a total failure when we have billions of lifetimes and human suffering making inferior products for our landfills. If we're going to stuff our landfills to overflowing to make a few people rich it behooves us to throw away a higher grade of crap. What will aliens think of us when they dig up our extinct landfills in a million years?

That's not science. That is corporate business.

The evidence is in plain sight but goes unseen because the paradigms interpret it differently. Meanwhile we rush headlong into oblivion like so many lemmings racing to the cliffs.

I think that you are blaming the wrong paradigm. You should be pointing your ire at capitalism.

 

[ppp]

The tamales were less alike than most two snowflakes. Even if you ever found two snowflakes that looked exactly alike one would contain more molecules from your tamales than the other.

But that presumes that I think that in order for there to be two of something, that I must necessarily think that they must be identical. They don't. Labels are a category, not a specific identifier.

 

[cladking]

"You should be pointing your ire at capitalism."

ROFL. Capitalism was acquired in a hostile takeover years ago. Now banks pay 0% interest on capital and loan it at 25%. And companies make products that aren't worthy of landfill. There is an ongoing race to make worse mousetraps that look more valuable than they really are.

"Labels are a category, not a specific identifier."

Of course life is invisible to science. All life is individual and all experiment focuses on species.

All life is consciousness and no experiment can even see consciousness because it is undefined.

 

[cladking]

Labels are a category, not a specific identifier.

Exactly!!! Two of nothing exists and the concept is an abstraction.

Abstractions don't exist either.

 

[ppp]

ROFL. Capitalism was acquired in a hostile takeover years ago. Now banks pay 0% interest on capital and loan it at 25%.

Are you under the impression that is not capitalism?

Of course life is invisible to science. All life is individual and all experiment focuses on species.

I am sorry, but that statement makes no sense. You cannot experiment on a species. A species is not an extant thing. It is a collection of individuals. One can only investigate individuals and their interactions.

 

[cladking]

Are you under the impression that is not capitalism?

"Capitalism" by definition involves competition for everything and this includes capital itself. The place people keep "money" which is defined as legal tender, are banks and banks pay no interest.

When "capital" is needed "bonds" are issued with a higher interest rate but they represent "debt" rather than "legal tender". They can default but dollars, presumably can not.

One can only investigate individuals and their interactions.

This is most assuredly not how experiment is conducted. There isn't even a working definition for "consciousness" and experiment involves "species" which is an abstraction.

 

[ppp]

Capitalism" by definition involves competition for everything and this includes capital itself. The place people keep "money" which is defined as legal tender, are banks and banks pay no interest.

When "capital" is needed "bonds" are issued with a higher interest rate but they represent "debt" rather than "legal tender". They can default but dollars, presumably can not.

There are several things in there I could quibble about, but I'll just jump to the meat of the matter, all financial interactions are representative. Whether they are cowry shells, gold coins, paper dollars, or electronic pulses. It's all capital. And banks are in competition with each other.