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The Jesus Myth

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fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
well lets see what fallingblood has to say about my assessment of what he has said and cut the small talk?
or would you prefer to make snide comments?
Do you really have to wait for my assessment? You should know by now that without reading what I've stated in the past you won't get far.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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OK, but it has to be a theological work, filled with fabulous claims of magic, in which Blood is not invested... so I can see if he views it as historically reliable.

Suggestions?

Any work by Plutarch. Perhaps the E at Delphi?
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
and your response to my substantive posts can be summarized by using the word "blather".
:faint: Yes, your substantive posts have been a real help. Because you know, I love the facepalm impression that I have gotten after reading so many of your posts.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Hey, Quagmire. Thanks for the link, but I'm not qualified to do source research. If you showed me Josephus' mention of Jesus (Christus?), I'd have no idea how to demonstrate that it's probably a fake, as seems to be the consensus among the experts who study such things.
Not the consensus at all. Basically, all but a handful of scholars believe that Josephus wrote about Jesus.
So the Josephus quote about John the Baptist is the same for me. Is it a fake? Is it really about the John of the Bible? Did Josephus have reason to concoct it?
No, yes, no.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I am not interested in claiming victory.
is the source of information used to describe historical jesus the same source used to describe biblical jesus?
What does victory have to do with reading my posts? You reading my posts would just be easier for all involved. This way, you wouldn't have to make asinine responses.

As for your question (which again shows that you have not even tried to read what I have said so far), yes.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
"With no brains, no heart, and no blood, it's amazing jellyfish have existed for 650 million years!"

I read the other day about a tiny jellyfish which is essentially immortal -- the only animal on the planet which can live forever. Something about reverting to its juvenile stage when it comes under stress. (Yeah -- a proper straight line, folks.)

Tough question: Eternity without a brain? Or brainiac for a single season?

We should be happy either way, I guess, considering that some of us get the short ends of both sticks.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
That isn't actually the current consensus.

Who can say about scholarly consensus. It's usually just another arguing point. I'll just say that over the years, I've heard enough conservative Christians concede the probable fakery that I hold a fairly stout opinion on its illegitimacy now.

All I can tell you is that according to everything I've ever read about Josephus, the John the Baptist references are considered authentic.

Sure, I've mostly heard the same thing. But I've never engaged the debate on John's historicity and was curious whether outhouse would indulge me.

And I get a little tired of being sent to favorite webpages, or told that if I were only as smart as my opponent, I would believe just as he believes.:)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
But I've never engaged the debate on John's historicity and was curious whether outhouse would indulge me.

you admit to not doing the work

you admit to not reading the whole wiki link.



from past debates with you it seems like a waist of my time

wiki is not my only source, but it does serve as quick refference to post the most popular opinions as well it tells left and the right viewpoints
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
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Who can say about scholarly consensus.

Scholars? and anyone who bothers to read what they have to say?

It's usually just another arguing point. I'll just say that over the years, I've heard enough conservative Christians concede the probable fakery that I hold a fairly stout opinion on its illegitimacy now.

You consider identification as a Conservative Christian a credential?

Sure, I've mostly heard the same thing. But I've never engaged the debate on John's historicity and was curious whether outhouse would indulge me.

And I get a little tired of being sent to favorite webpages, or told that if I were only as smart as my opponent, I would believe just as he believes.:)

Maybe you should seek out dumber opponents.
 

jelly

Active Member
What does victory have to do with reading my posts? You reading my posts would just be easier for all involved. This way, you wouldn't have to make asinine responses.

As for your question (which again shows that you have not even tried to read what I have said so far), yes.
which part of each source describes historical jesus and which part describes biblical jesus?
 
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