Seeing our past theory as having been wrong, in hindsight, does not make our present theory right by default. But a lot of us choose to believe this, anyway. Even though, logically, every time it happens, we should be assuming that it is happening, still.
You're not describing the full story though, are you. Sure, sometimes we are completely and utterly wrong, not even in the stadium let alone left field. Sometimes.
Other times we are well within the ballpark, and of those times we are getting hits and making it on base. You get the idea so I won’t continue to strain the metaphor.
If our theory has explanatory power, then it is getting something right, and something is more than sufficient to continue building upon.
If we look at how far Homo sapiens have come in our understanding over the last 100 to 200 thousand years, it is quite apparent that we are not always wrong wrong.
One that can never "catch up". It's always seeking truth in hindsight. But the truth doesn't live in hindsight.
In the immortal words of Dory from Finding Nemo, “Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming…”
The problem is that we don't know how much we don't know.
Yeah, you really get bogged down with this. My advice, “Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming…”
So we can't know how much it would fundamentally change what we think we do know, if we knew it. We just pretend that what we think we know is mostly right. But in fact we have no way whatever of justifying that presumption. Even when we apply our theory and it function in the moment and under the circumstances, that doesn't mean it's right. It just means it worked for us, that time, when applied.
If it’s working, it’s “right” enough. Continuing to work the problem from that new and working vantage point allows us to work on, and eventually solve the next step, as has been more than established as we look back at how far we have come.
A lot of people are fighting this realization. They want their gods or their scientism to overcome this scary dilemma of our perpetual unknowing for them. And so they want to fight with anyone that dares to contradict that desire.
I dare to contradict that desire. It's my gift to you all.
That psychological issue is a different problem than whether we can actually know anything. Are there those who crave certainty? Absolutely. Whether becoming comfortable with uncertainty is a possibility for them will vary by individual I suppose.
All it shows us is that our theories sometimes work according to our desires, under certain circumstances. But we are stupid and selfish humans, so even that little bit of self-service is enough for us to pretend we got reality and truth, licked.
Mischaracterization here. Theories work because they are predictive and have yet to be contradicted in some way. What we do with that understanding relates more to our desires.
Yes, we can be stupid and selfish to varying degrees. Not really relevant to whether we can objectively know things.
"Objectivity" is an illusion. A false conceptual idol. It's very similar to what the "inerrant Bible" is to some fundi-theists.
Opinion noted. I strongly disagree.
Interestingly, we can know that we don't know without knowing what we don't know. So your attempt, here, at the "nut-huh, YOU did!" argument doesn't work.
In referencing all that is unknown, whatever that may entail, since it is unknown, nothing can be said about it. Not how much of it remains to be known, not whether we have or can have the capacity to understand what remains to be known. We can assign no characteristics or properties to unknown things of which we have no knowledge.
Your characterizing yet unknown truths (or perhaps the as yet unknown “whole truth”) as “holistic beyond the capacity of our binary mental processes” would be an example of this.
"Facts" are just bits of information that appear true relative to other bits of information that appear true. But their truthfulness contradict all the time, depending what other facts we relate them to. So it would be a very big mistake in logic to assume that facts equate to reality or truth. And therefor, that so does the logic applied to them.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck ….
Happens all the time. Haven't you been paying attention to OUR conversations?
Try too.
And every single one of them limited, flawed, and trapped by their circumstances. Even if we could see the world through every one of their minds eyes, at once, we still would be stuck in the same human condition that we're stuck in, now.
Fortunately, the billions of us are not flawed and fallible in exactly the same ways. In any set of characteristics or traits you care to name, we all vary to some degree or other in every one of them. We each truly are snowflakes.
Again, look back 100,000 years and fully appreciate how very unstuck we actually are.
I know. But you'll thank me someday for tellig you that we can't. Well, "mitigate", a little bit, maybe. But certainly not overcome.
Oooh, a bit of a concession there on your part. I’ll take it.