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The KKK: left/progressive.....or.....right/conservative?

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The KKK came long before the Dixiecrats, the KKK did not emerge from the Dixiecrats. It was the other way around. :rolleyes: The Dixiecrats did not migrate to become Republicans. The Republicans destroyed the Dixiecrats using Federally supported de-segregation, the very thing the Dixiecrats most opposed.
Actually for once you're correct :p as I accidentally substituted "Southern Democrats" in my mind for the "Dixiecrats".
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Meanwhile in the news: last week former KKK Grand Wizard and White Supremicist David Duke has endorsed Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat, in her candidacy for President. Now today he tweeted his support for Rep. Ilhan Omar, another Democrat, after she received backlash for her comments suggesting a pro-Israel lobby “buys” votes of legislators.

That’s two Democrats endorsed and supported by this former Grand Wizard of the KKK in a single week.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Except for my error with the "Dixicrats", the rest happens to be true in terms of what I posted. See: Southern Democrats - Wikipedia [scroll down to #3 & #4].
Hardly. Only three people switched over to the Republicans.

Jesse Helms and Mills E. Godwin, Jr and Strom Thurmond.


Unlike Republicans , Democrats later filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

What do Democrats Stand For? They stood to filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dixiecrats....how many of em turned Republicans? - The San Diego Union Tribune Forums

Like I said before, the supposed Dixiecrat to Republican charade , it's a bunch of BS.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
But when you claim that "conservative" means only one single thing, that's wrong.
To protect and maintain the status quo is not "one single thing". It's a whole attitude toward life, society, humanity, and circumstance. For the most part, "conservatives" are the people with the wealth and power, or who want to be the people with wealth and power in a society. Which is why they want to "conserve" (protect and maintain) the attitudes, laws, and systems that generate wealth and power, and put it in the hands of people like themselves. Conservatism is not radical. It does not seek to up end the status quo. The people in the U.S. that currently want to up end the status quo (by establishing theocracy, by returning to slavery and segregation, or by imposing other forms of social and economic fascism) may be calling themselves "conservatives" but they are not conservatives. They are radicals seeking to establish various forms of self-serving fascism.

Likewise, when the various fascist dictators around the world call themselves "socialists", and their dictatorial governments "socialism", they are lying. Fascist dictatorships are not socialism. Communist China is not a socialist government. Neither was the old Soviet Union. Neither is it, today, for the most part. And yet the liars here in America, who would likewise like to see some form of fascist dictatorship installed (with themselves at the helm, of course), continue to spread the confusion and misinformation by constantly insisting that socialism is synonymous with fascist dictatorships, while they, themselves, are freedom-loving capitalists. Which they are not.

It's very important to clearly understand what these terms really mean, so that we don't get taken in by the lies and deliberate confusion being sown by those who want to dictate reality to us so that they can own and control everything, including us.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Meanwhile in the news: last week former KKK Grand Wizard and White Supremicist David Duke has endorsed Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat, in her candidacy for President. Now today he tweeted his support for Rep. Ilhan Omar, another Democrat, after she received backlash for her comments suggesting a pro-Israel lobby “buys” votes of legislators.

That’s two Democrats endorsed and supported by this former Grand Wizard of the KKK in a single week.
Did it bother you when Duke endorsed Trump and it took about two weeks before Trump even reacted?

BTW, Omar admitted her mistake and apologized, but maybe you didn't run across that yet. Did Trump ever apologize for his delay or for his Charlottesville false equivalency? Matter of fact, does he ever apologize for much of anything he's done?
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hardly. Only three people switched over to the Republicans.

Jesse Helms and Mills E. Godwin, Jr and Strom Thurmond.


Unlike Republicans , Democrats later filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

What do Democrats Stand For? They stood to filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Dixiecrats....how many of em turned Republicans? - The San Diego Union Tribune Forums

Like I said before, the supposed Dixiecrat to Republican charade , it's a bunch of BS.
I see that you ignored my link as I was not talking about just those in Congress, plus I corrected myself for you and others when I said that I actually was referring to "Southern Democrats".
 
I don’t accept your premises that KKK members vote for Republicans

I don't share this strange American desire to make whichever centre left/right party you don't like equivalent to the KKK/Hitler/Stalin/antichrist/etc. but it's pretty obvious that if you are a genuine white supremacist in modern America you are more likely to support the Republicans than the Dems (not that this necessarily means normal Republicans are racists).
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Again, you're conflating things as the filibuster was by "Southern Democrats" who are overwhelmingly Republicans today. See: Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia [scroll down to 2.4]
They are not todays Republicans. That's a fabrication and lie. Only three switched over from the supposed Dixiecrat party. If there are more who switched, I would like to know the names. It's just another typical Democrats attempt at smoke and mirrors saying something that isn't actually true.

Dixiecrats are still Democrats.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
They are not todays Republicans. That's a fabrication and lie. Only three switched over from the supposed Dixiecrat party. If there are more who switched, I would like to know the names. It's just another typical Democrats attempt at smoke and mirrors saying something that isn't actually true.

Dixiecrats are still Democrats.
That is not correct. It appears that you misunderstood the Southern Strategy. The plan was not to get legislators to switch parties, though a few did. The plan was to get the voters to switch parties. And they did. The plan worked. The South used to be strongly Democratic, now it is strongly Republican.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Meanwhile in the news: last week former KKK Grand Wizard and White Supremicist David Duke has endorsed Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat, in her candidacy for President.
That's true, and she publicly opposed his support. Don the Con? Not so much.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Meanwhile in the news: last week former KKK Grand Wizard and White Supremicist David Duke has endorsed Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat, in her candidacy for President. Now today he tweeted his support for Rep. Ilhan Omar, another Democrat, after she received backlash for her comments suggesting a pro-Israel lobby “buys” votes of legislators.

That’s two Democrats endorsed and supported by this former Grand Wizard of the KKK in a single week.
Meanwhile. . . have you ever checked out the exit polls for blacks? Just take a peek at the 2018 midterms.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
They are not todays Republicans. That's a fabrication and lie. Only three switched over from the supposed Dixiecrat party. If there are more who switched, I would like to know the names. It's just another typical Democrats attempt at smoke and mirrors saying something that isn't actually true.

Dixiecrats are still Democrats.
You ignore what my link says, call it a "lie", but present not one shred of evidence to support your contention that I'm supposedly wrong. On top of that, I dealt with your statement of there only being three in my post #109.

What a waste of my time trying to have a serious discussion with you is. Sorta reminds me of a joke that could well apply to you:

A guy goes up to a teller in a bank, hands her a note that says "This is a f*** up!".

The teller whispers back "You mean this is a stick-up, don't you?"

He whispers back "No, it's is a f*** up-- I forgot my gun":emojconfused:.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You ignore what my link says, call it a "lie", but present not one shred of evidence to support your contention that I'm supposedly wrong. On top of that, I dealt with your statement of there only being three in my post #109.

What a waste of my time trying to have a serious discussion with you is. Sorta reminds me of a joke that could well apply to you:

A guy goes up to a teller in a bank, hands her a note that says "This is a f*** up!".

The teller whispers back "You mean this is a stick-up, don't you?"

He whispers back "No, it's is a f*** up-- I forgot my gun":emojconfused:.
Just stating the facts. All it takes is looking at what Democrats did before and after this supposed change took place.

Civil rights legislation is all archived in the Library of Congress for all to see and it's not hard to see what's what when it comes to Dixiecrats and their alleged claim that they are Republicans well past the so called 'switch'.
 

Duke_Leto

Active Member
Some folks just take a simple delight in seeing how many other people will swallow their BS. They don't believe what they're saying, but they enjoy making fools of people.

But that aside, I think in this case, you might have hit on the motive: To distract our nation's vital supply of village idiots from thinking through the full implications of what Trump said (and refused to say).

Oh, I think some people believe it. The last time I visited my parents, for instance, my father began yelling about the Nazis being left-wing, and this being a fact hidden by the 'left'.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Just stating the facts.
No, you are not, and the evidence for this is that you haven't produced one shred of evidence.

All it takes is looking at what Democrats did before and after this supposed change took place.
I used to teach American history at first but then for 25 years I taught a political science course, so I did the homework a long time ago, and I still do. The Dems changed gradually over the last century and I've linked you to show you how and when, but you just ignore that.

Civil rights legislation is all archived in the Library of Congress for all to see and it's not hard to see what's what when it comes to Dixiecrats and their alleged claim that they are Republicans well past the so called 'switch'.
Again, you bring up "Dixiecrats" whereas I've repeatedly told you that I'm referring to the "Southern Democrats" that overwhelmingly today are Republicans. How else could anyone explain how the South went from being overwhelmingly Democratic at the beginning of the 20 century, but then overwhelmingly Republican near the end of that same century, and yet were mostly conservative at both ends?

Hey, I guess you can believe in what you want to believe, I guess, but if you actually do the homework in an objective manner you'll see otherwise.

nuff
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Meanwhile in the news: last week former KKK Grand Wizard and White Supremicist David Duke has endorsed Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat, in her candidacy for President. Now today he tweeted his support for Rep. Ilhan Omar, another Democrat, after she received backlash for her comments suggesting a pro-Israel lobby “buys” votes of legislators.

That’s two Democrats endorsed and supported by this former Grand Wizard of the KKK in a single week.

Keep in mind we are now in an era of trolling in politics made solely for optics. Duke knows full well anything he endorses in public will face criticism due to his KKK history. It could be a restaurant with the best steak he has had (context) yet will be overshadowed by his other acts. More so people shouldn't be letting Duke dictate their perception of the Dem party.
 
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