I ask you questions.
But answers are cagey & puzzling.
You seldom state what you believe,
but bicker over points others make.
So I'm skipping the rest of your post.
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But answers are cagey & puzzling.
You seldom state what you believe,
but bicker over points others make.
So I'm skipping the rest of your post.
Not every discussion has to turn into a debate.
In any case, I can't think of a single person who said it was okay for Clinton or Biden to be a draft dodger but not Trump. Can you?
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It would be nice if every discussion turned into discussion though.
Dang, bear....save that for your cheat day....not every day.
When I registered for the draft in my youth, I put myself down as a conscientious objector. It took time for me to realize that there are wars that need to be fought as much as I wish we would have evolved more than we have.
That and other things also taught me not to focus on someone's distant past unless serious crimes are involved but rather to look at who they are now.
I didn't qualify as a conscious objector.
1) I had no religion.
2) I didn't believe that all war is wrong.
Having a rational reason to not put myself in harm's
way to fight a useless war against "godless" commies
wasn't good enuf for them.
Moreover, the 13th Amendment's prohibition against
involuntary servitude gave them no authority to draft me.
So I refused. I even committed a felony by leaving
their facility just before they tried to give me physical.
**** the government. They don't own me. **** them.
To mods:
I'm not breaking the rules.
I don't advocate law breaking.
But I did what I did.
It was the right thing.
One more thing....
**** government.
And you avoided the "Group W" bench..
By the skin of me tooth.
All I had to do was get a high lottery number to win.
Christina Ricci had a great cameo on Malcolm In The Middle.
Must Boeing do sin?
By the time I came of age, there was no draft, but I still had to register for Selective Service (which was brought back by Reagan). I attempted to enlist in the US Navy when I was 19, but I failed the physical. So, at least I can say with a clear conscience that I tried to serve but was turned down.
I see nothing wrong with being a conscientious objector, although that wouldn't have necessarily exempted one from military service. One can serve in non-combat roles.
I had somewhat mixed feelings about war when I was younger. I was born later than the average hippie or Vietnam Vet. I was influenced by the anti-war movement as I was growing up, and definitely enjoyed the music of the era. But I also had other influences regarding America and war, such as my uncles who fought in WW2 and were pretty much hawkish and right-wing on their view of the world. I've also befriended some Vietnam Vets who also had a rather hawkish view.
But I also knew quite a few lefty types - even more when I got into college. Not very many radicals or revolutionaries by then, as the tumult of the 60s had cooled down considerably. There wasn't really even a very strong anti-war movement either, not by the 80s. It's not as if their ideals changed or their views of the U.S. government had changed, but it just wasn't that important anymore. People just stopped caring. At some point, the military became cool again, and the big thing was "support the troops." Even Jane Fonda apologized.
For similar reasons, it's why it comes up as an issue in political campaigns, as it did with Quayle, Clinton, Trump - or anyone else who didn't serve. The fact that it's brought up at all is an indicator that political pundits obviously believe it will influence a significant portion of the electorate.
It's not so much about war, in and of itself. It's not even about serving in the military. These politicians and others who have ostensibly reversed their previous anti-war stance are, in essence, affirming their belief in the same geopolitical perceptions and national security aspirations which they previously opposed.
In other words, they were right when they younger. I've heard it said that "If you're not a liberal by age 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by age 30, you have no brain."
How could that be?
Reagan was President from 1981 to 1989.
But....
Historical Timeline | Selective Service System
"In late 1979, a series of revival efforts began in an effort to upgrade the Selective Service System's capability for rapid mobilization in an emergency. In the summer of 1980 the registration requirement was resumed."
Perhaps you meant Jimmy Carter?
History is hard I know....sometimes a loathed enemy isn't
responsible for some sin...it's a jerk from one's own tribe.
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I tried to join the Australian airforce when I was 17. I passed the physical but got rejected for not being aggressive enough. I should have jumped the desk, punched him and yelled, how do you like me now!