The Little Horn of Revelation

[Ben Dhyan]

I've been waiting for someone to raise that point.....the little horn of Daniel is the "two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon" beast of Rev 13:11 to my understanding.

So who has any idea as to what the following means? I presume it is Satan who is the beast which comes out of the Abyss.

Revelation 17:7 -11

Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.

The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

This calls for a mind with understanding: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills where the woman rules. They also represent seven kings.

They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

The scarlet beast that was, but is no longer, is the eighth king. He is like the other seven, and he, too, is headed for destruction.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hint..counting from Babylon as one, Persia as two, plus the four headed beast of Daniel, the North as three, the East as four, and the South as five, and then the West (Rome) as the sixth head in power in the sequence at the time Revelation was given. The seventh power to come which is obviously in power subsequently since the Roman Empire is long since gone is what? And the scarlet eighth beast and the woman ...what, when and where?

 

[OtherSheep]

Its not that complicated..


B414 -- The History of the Levant from Alexander the Great ...
www.theology.edu/b414.htm
Alexander the Great was ruler of Macedonia and later ruler of Greece and the entire civilized world (from the Tiber to the Tigris -- as one writer has said). Alexander ruled from 336-323 BC.

He conquered the Persian s who had earlier conquered Palestine and thus Alexander became "lord" of the Jews.

It must be more complicated than you think it is.
Who's Who still matters, no matter how watered down the races have all become. If not, there would never be 144k. Remember that Jesus says nothing about grafted in tribes.

What the theologians say is politically correct... the only way to keep your jobs (and eventually your heads), these days. To learn who controls the world, first learn who it is that you may not criticize... as the saying goes. So the references you simply cannot lay your hands upon, these days, without the exchange of a great deal of mammon, are the most valuable secrets.

Godbey says that Scythians were the Hyksos, that the Hurrians are the Veneti: The Veneti are the Cymry. He also says that the Philistines, Pelasgians, Berbers and original-Egyptians are the same people; and he proves that the Egyptians controlled and/or owned Palestine for a very long time. He says that the Sumerians wrote most of the Ugarit tablets... and that Amorite is more a location, than a tribe. And that Khabiri is also not what the politically (in)correct theologians/excavationists wanted them to be... so history is quite literally a set of lies, agreed upon. Because he also seems to be saying that the flood was the ice age. Which begs the question: Why is "The Lost Tribes A Myth" being virtually burned? Even "Ancient Oriental History" is hard to find... thankfully, it's not impossible to find... grab it while you can:

Ancient oriental history [microform] ; new light on the Old Testament, some factors shaping ancient Palestine : Godbey, Allen Howard, 1864-1948 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

... you're welcome.

 

[sooda]

It must be more complicated than you think it is.
Who's Who still matters, no matter how watered down the races have all become. If not, there would never be 144k. Remember that Jesus says nothing about grafted in tribes.

What the theologians say is politically correct... the only way to keep your jobs (and eventually your heads), these days. To learn who controls the world, first learn who it is that you may not criticize... as the saying goes. So the references you simply cannot lay your hands upon, these days, without the exchange of a great deal of mammon, are the most valuable secrets.

Godbey says that Scythians were the Hyksos, that the Hurrians are the Veneti: The Veneti are the Cymry. He also says that the Philistines, Pelasgians, Berbers and original-Egyptians are the same people; and he proves that the Egyptians controlled and/or owned Palestine for a very long time. He says that the Sumerians wrote most of the Ugarit tablets... and that Amorite is more a location, than a tribe. And that Khabiri is also not what the politically (in)correct theologians/excavationists wanted them to be... so history is quite literally a set of lies, agreed upon. Because he also seems to be saying that the flood was the ice age. Which begs the question: Why is "The Lost Tribes A Myth" being virtually burned? Even "Ancient Oriental History" is hard to find... thankfully, it's not impossible to find... grab it while you can:

Ancient oriental history [microform] ; new light on the Old Testament, some factors shaping ancient Palestine : Godbey, Allen Howard, 1864-1948 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

... you're welcome.

 

[sooda]

The ugarit were canaanite like the amorites.

 

[OtherSheep]

The three little horns were the kingdoms of France, Spain, and England. The little Horn is the United States of America.

Before....the Three Big Horns



After.....the Little Horn the rooted up the Three Big Horns



There are other clues, the Little Horn became the most powerful, the USA has became the most powerful power on the planet, first atomic bomb, first men on the moon, the whole world fears the power of the USA.

ps...this by no means implies that the peoples of the USA are bad, but its rulers may be religiously mistaken...

The Hidden Hand created the bomb that was first tested in Hiroshima: that puppeteer is not American. The same Hidden Hand demanded the firestorms that melted German and Japanese streets and burned innocent old men, women and children onto those streets.

IMHO, the iron teeth of the beast is the industrialization that takes place in a previously invaded country, to provide it with solidarity--the anger of the masses, which will lead to the World Revolution. That Revolution took place in those countries you mention, but it didn't start from there or from them. Find out who paid the mobs and you will know who the little horn truly is. Making the world safe for Democracy was actually making the world safe for Communism and its carpetbaggers to move in and take over. Look around, with these glasses on, and you will see something diametrically opposed to what you believe to be true. Because the three nations sponsored the rise of the little horn. She is a parasite, and without their support (which she thinks she no longer needs), the world will hate the woman and the little horn.

 

[OtherSheep]

The sword in the mouth of Jesus is truth of his word.

It's not that simple. With that sword, He divides unbelievers and believers of the same family. With that sword, He separates tares from wheat. And with that sword, He will return and revenge His called and chosen and faithful. The souls under the altar are and will be praying for this returning avenger. These prayers are the vials of wrath which prepare the way.

 

[OtherSheep]

The ugarit were canaanite like the amorites.

Canaanites are merchants (even according to the Bible) who lived in the lowlands next to the Mediterranean.
Amorite means westerners, which can apply to anyone west of a given speaker.
The Ugaritites are Sumerians; Amurru was their western settlement.
Khabiru were mercenaries, raiders, i.o.w., poor and landless people.

Godbey says that old Palestine was not a land of sheepherders and cattle-men. Which makes sense, when you think of it. The first people there were ancient farmers, the giant Amorites of the Bible must have been prehistoric. Cattle, and especially sheep, destroy the land and make deserts... which is probably why the Scythians came to Egypt, since the Scythians were always 'cattle'men... and they denuded their whole land, having moved their herds from place to place in search of grass. It's doubtless the same reason they and theirs came pouring into Europe ca. 700 B.C. And sheep are the worst of the worst, tearing plants up by the roots, making dustbowls... no wonder the Egyptians hated shepherds.

 

[OtherSheep]

The book of Revelation is fiction, not prophecy. Perhaps it is a descriptions of actual visions by the author. But it is not prophetic.

Keep telling yourself that, and you'll have to wonder why (when it happens) all the grass in your back yard is gone (unless you've got sheep).

But seriously, prophecy is a warning. In Revelation's case, the spirit of propecy is the testimony of Jesus the Christ. Learning what that means may take the rest of your life.

 

[OtherSheep]

It is being preached but what to talk of others, even the citizens of the Kingdom make fun of it.

Pretty courageous, wearing a sunwheel on the head of your avatar.

 

[OtherSheep]

OtherSheep,
It is difficult to explain many things in the Bible, because, in order for you to understand, there must be some understanding of what is going on at the time, and how the things mentioned are understood to the contemporaries. I will try, a little.
This Little Horn is when the 7th head starts to exist, and started out as Britain, back in the 1500s. Britain, the Little horn, fought against France, Spain and the Netherlands, to become the dominant power at that time.

The power behind the throne, even then, was the woman and the little horn.
Look to the tax-collectors for your answer. Those who have the gold make the rules.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The Hidden Hand created the bomb that was first tested in Hiroshima: that puppeteer is not American. The same Hidden Hand demanded the firestorms that melted German streets and burned innocent women and children onto those streets.

IMHO, the iron teeth of the beast is the industrialization that takes place in a previously invaded country, to provide it with solidarity--the anger of the masses, which will lead to the World Revolution. That Revolution took place in those countries you mention, but it didn't start from there or from them. Find out who paid the mobs and you will know who the little horn truly is. Making the world safe for Democracy was actually making the world safe for Communism and its carpetbaggers to move in and take over. Look around, with these glasses on, and you will see something diametrically opposed to what you believe to be true. Because the three nations sponsored the rise of the little horn. She is a parasite, and without their support (which she thinks she no longer needs), the world will hate the woman and the little horn.

My guess is you are identifying the little horn with, let's say the global merchant bankers, and in particular a more or less secular group z...?

 

[OtherSheep]

So who do you suppose the woman is in Revelation 17:3.

First of all, the horns in Daniel represents power, Where as in Revelation horns represents kings.

Kings representing their kingdoms = power. Nebuchadnezzar was the golden headed king of Babylon.

Revelation 17:12---" And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast"

So who do you suppose the beast is that ascends out of the bottomless pit is ?

Communism didn't die, it got repurposed... and renamed for decades. Communism is good for using its followers as canon-fodder. But the followers were told they were all equal, and would get... whatever brand of smoke-and-mirrors the Communists were selling to a particular people.

Revelation 17:8---"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is"

In verse 8 above there's lays a clue as to who this beast is.
Notice ( Perdition) there's only one who is sentence to Perdition,
Perdition means = destruction = destroyed.

The son of perdition is an accurate description of the nature of the beast. It will pretend to believe/follow Jesus Christ, as Judas did. It will be greedy for money, so it will be a traitor. If it repents, that will be too late, because it will have committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, like the Pharisees did.

So who is this that God has already sentence to be destroyed ?
Further more there is no little horn spoken about in the book of Revelation.

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The wounded head is the little horn of Daniel.
Jesus references the book of Daniel... the book that was sealed. Revelation was never sealed because the time was at hand. Revelation opens the book of Daniel.

As for Revelation 13:1, if you had notice the verse does say, ( And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.)

The question is, Who do you suppose those
Seven heads represents, that shall come with the beast?

The heads are nations and nationalities. It seems like there should be 10 heads, so either the 3 have already been uprooted by the little-horn/wounded-head(LH-WH) at this point, or 10 nationalities exist within the 7 nations. But it seems to me that each nationality has its own strength/talents, which are its intrinsic source of power. So, the missing 3 heads have been genocided by the LH-WH. And it seems to me that the LH-WH drives the beast, which means the harlot is of that LH-WH nation.

The name(s) of blasphemy is the key. "Full of names of blasphemy" means more than the name of blasphemy upon its heads. It means 7 whole nations full of the name(s) of blasphemy. Apparently the 3 are not.

13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And Revelation 2:9.

 

[OtherSheep]

I've been waiting for someone to raise that point.....the little horn of Daniel is the "two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon" beast of Rev 13:11 to my understanding.

So who has any idea as to what the following means? I presume it is Satan who is the beast which comes out of the Abyss.

Can't be.

19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Wandering Monk]

These prophecy thread always seem to devolve into incoherent drivel.

 

[OtherSheep]

My guess is you are identifying the little horn with, let's say the global merchant bankers, and in particular a more or less secular group z...?

J12:15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an {donkey}'s colt.
M23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

 

[OtherSheep]

These prophecy thread always seem to devolve into incoherent drivel.

Prophecy is singing within the choir.

If you don't get it, feel free to disregard.

 

[OtherSheep]

Hint..counting from Babylon as one, Persia as two, plus the four headed beast of Daniel, the North as three, the East as four, and the South as five, and then the West (Rome) as the sixth head in power in the sequence at the time Revelation was given. The seventh power to come which is obviously in power subsequently since the Roman Empire is long since gone is what? And the scarlet eighth beast and the woman ...what, when and where?

Daniel was speaking in Babylon to the king of Babylon. What went on before that wasn't bondage?
Rome was in no way the west, BTW, unless you consider the derivative Rome and its clumsy copies and outright thefts. Why else did they burn the libraries of Alexandria and the Druids? Many people like to think that Greece was the West. And they are wrong, too. Because before all that, there was Crete and Thera, and oldest Egypt. Just because history is a set of lies agreed upon, doesn't mean no real history exists. It's what always happens when your enemies are allowed to write your history. Never mind the audacity of the conquestors writing the history of the people they tried to genocide... and make it all seem like the defeated had it coming. World History goes retrograde with every eastern mirage.

 

[OtherSheep]

You can't blame countries for caring for their security and sovereignty. You already have a good President. Of course, George Bush Jr. was better. He actually got you in a war. I hope before his presidency is over, Trump also will be something equally notable.

All lambs that we meet, we will before we die. There is no judgment and no immortality. Don't sell snake-oil. All the imagined claims in your posts invite an atheist to comment.

Your statement that the whole world is afraid of USA, started it. USA/Nixon tried to frighten India by sending a naval force at the time of Bangladesh war, that did not stop creation of Bangladesh.

Wars are a way of population control, when they're not about spreading Democr... er... Communism. Even ready teddy had his handler. Some things never change. Most politicians are not acting in the best interests of the governed... but worrited about the lobyists... to whom they've voted tax-money... to lobby them. None of this is anything less than subversion and treason.

So, when people say they're scared of America, what they mean is that they're scared of American guns that are being steered from non-American nations. And (as the story goes) those who stood sponsor will be turned into welfare states... and completely without power: hornless.

 

[OtherSheep]

Joshua is a fictional national hero. He didn't have any big armies. He didn't destroy any Canaanite cities.. Jericho was felled by earthquake which are common in the region.During the period of the Exodus Jericho had already been abandoned.

Jericho seems to have been built by prehistoric giant-like peoples (Godbey, Ancient Oriental History), the same ones who built the stone circle megaliths. It ended long before Israel invaded the Hurrians, the Achaeans, the Ugarite Sumerians. Interesting thing about Sumerians... seems they had the same herringbone floors that a layer of Troy had... the Sumerians didn't get genocided by the Akkadian Oriental tribe.