The Logic of God

[Scuba Pete]

How bout since you reject known fact?

That's hard to do since you have provided none, nada and squat to refute.

Apparently you've never heard of Ecstacy, heroin, vicodin, and other euphoria inducing drugs huh? Actually love is most similar to cocaine addiction.

Oh please... show us the study for THIS. Such utter BS and you probably actually believe it! Who says faith is extinct! However...

Think your ridiculous " arguments" through.

O rly? This like the pot calling the silver ware black! My only mistake was to attempt to reason with an unreasonable person.

 

[1137]

That's hard to do since you have provided none, nada and squat to refute.

Love being a product of the brain is a fact. Remember, just because you reject it doesn't make it false, jusy makes you ignorant or fideistic.

Oh please... show us the study for THIS. Such utter BS and you probably actually believe it! Who says faith is extinct! However...

You're unaware drugs, especially narcotics and opiates, cause euphoria? Do your own research, I'm not about to waste my vacation providing evidence to a fideist. Google is useful.

O rly? This like the pot calling the silver ware black! My only mistake was to attempt to reason with an unreasonable person.

Fideism is unreasonable, fact is not.

Your pic is hysterical btw, coming from a fideist rejecting known science

 

[Scuba Pete]

Love being a product of the brain is a fact. Remember, just because you reject it doesn't make it false, jusy makes you ignorant or fideistic.

Then provide the basis for your facts. After all, the internet has proven that %98 of all studies are false (including this one).

You're unaware drugs, especially narcotics and opiates, cause euphoria?

That's not what you claimed. You claimed that love is most similar to cocaine addiction. I am asking for proof.

love is most similar to cocaine addiction.Do your own research, I'm not about to waste my vacation providing evidence to a fideist. Google is useful.

The only connection is from sensational TV headlines. Is that your science? TV headlines? I am underwhelmed. You even got the conclusion wrong. Your faith is in TV science. You are more fideistic than I could ever be. BTW, it was a good word, but you are over using it. Find another sesquipedalian to sling around if you are trying to sound intelligent.

Fideism is unreasonable, fact is not.

How would you know? You haven't presented any?

Your pic is hysterical btw, coming from a fideist rejecting known science

It's ironic that you fail to see the irony.

 

[Thief]

I see chemistry as a derailment problem.
Let's do this...(as I've done so many times before)

Decide between spirit first, or substance.
If spirit first, then creation is an act of God.
If substance first, then spirit is a product of chemistry and when it fails, you fail with it...altogether...with you last breath.
No afterlife...no God....no angels waiting for you.

 

[1137]

Then provide the basis for your facts. After all, the internet has proven that %98 of all studies are false (including this one).

That's not what you claimed. You claimed that love is most similar to cocaine addiction. I am asking for proof.

The only connection is from sensational TV headlines. Is that your science? TV headlines? I am underwhelmed. You even got the conclusion wrong. Your faith is in TV science. You are more fideistic than I could ever be. BTW, it was a good word, but you are over using it. Find another sesquipedalian to sling around if you are trying to sound intelligent.

How would you know? You haven't presented any?

It's ironic that you fail to see the irony.

Love Is a Chemical Reaction, Scientists Find | Online NewsHour | February 13, 2009 | PBS

Love, The Thing Called Love - National Geographic Magazine

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/205973.php

Falling in love affects intellectual areas of the brain and triggers the same sensation of euphoria experienced by people when they take cocaine, researchers from Syracuse University reveal in an article in Journal of Sexual Medicine.

This may help you cope also
Understand Love As a Chemical Reaction - wikiHow

What a waste of my time. Damn fideists.

 

[1137]

I see chemistry as a derailment problem.
Let's do this...(as I've done so many times before)

Decide between spirit first, or substance.
If spirit first, then creation is an act of God.
If substance first, then spirit is a product of chemistry and when it fails, you fail with it...altogether...with you last breath.
No afterlife...no God....no angels waiting for you.

Well I, to this day, do not understand this matter / spirit duality. From what I have seen, it seems that our material world and universe is made of one fundamental thing, such as the strings of String theory. These strings are logically caused by something else, probably non-physical, but I would not call it spirit nor God. I like the idea of the Tao the most when it comes to this point.

Anyways, I think is seems obvious that there is no afterlife and such, but that is just me, as it seems not to be obvious. Our awareness is because of our brain, the reactions in it and the information we get from it. For example, we process things that come from the sense (become aware) with our brain. So this awareness ending at death is logical as well as supported by science.

 

[Thief]

Well I, to this day, do not understand this matter / spirit duality. From what I have seen, it seems that our material world and universe is made of one fundamental thing, such as the strings of String theory. These strings are logically caused by something else, probably non-physical, but I would not call it spirit nor God. I like the idea of the Tao the most when it comes to this point.

Anyways, I think is seems obvious that there is no afterlife and such, but that is just me, as it seems not to be obvious. Our awareness is because of our brain, the reactions in it and the information we get from it. For example, we process things that come from the sense (become aware) with our brain. So this awareness ending at death is logical as well as supported by science.

Death disconnects you from this life.
Dead men don't respond.
But that doesn't mean they have failed to continue into the next life.

Like losing power to the microphone.....
people at distance can't hear you....that doesn't mean you don't live.

 

[1137]

Death disconnects you from this life.
Dead men don't respond.
But that doesn't mean they have failed to continue into the next life.

Like losing power to the microphone.....
people at distance can't hear you....that doesn't mean you don't live.

Well if there is no awareness or self, how can you survive after death and in the next life?

 

[Tbone]

God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.

 

[Thief]

Well if there is no awareness or self, how can you survive after death and in the next life?

Getting cut off from this life happens to everyone.
Doesn't mean you stop living.

I've been blind seven days...didn't stop 'seeing'.
My arms and hands have been numb and unresponsive....didn't stop 'feeling'.

When the chemistry fails altogether the clay will dry out and turn to dust.
Doesn't mean I haven't moved on to something else.

What will I be aware of?
Everything my current set of senses cannot see or feel.

Think maybe the spiritual life is an interaction of dreams?
dreams we cannot have in this life.

Or maybe you might be content to follow your flesh into the grave.
You can't (don't seem able) to be without it now.
Can you be without it later?

If you can't let go...you lay in the box.
What if you dream....and can't wake up?
Without the interaction of others....what comfort can you have?

Oh, and....I think therefore I am.
Self awareness is dependent upon your senses?....or your thoughts?

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Hmmmn, God huh... much can be called God....

Personally I think the most definitive way we could determine what is 'god' would be to examine the characteristics of that entity, or if that is not possible then its actions, and if that is not possible then the outcomes of those actions... it is however important that one must indeed able to authenticate it to that being that would mean the ability to predict it occurring rather than simply attributing it after the fact.

While it is true that those that contradict our understanding of the laws of nature may just arise from our failure to understand the laws of nature - those that contradict logic itself may perhaps be the most likely to suggest a supernatural existence... of course were such a thing possible it is entirely possible that we could not actually perceive them (could we even perceive something that was both true and false? I am not sure what it would even mean to be both true and false - however it would not be characteristic of the natural order)

 

[1137]

I hate it when the fideists run away. Anyway, sorry it took a while to respond but now:

Getting cut off from this life happens to everyone.
Doesn't mean you stop living.

I've been blind seven days...didn't stop 'seeing'.
My arms and hands have been numb and unresponsive....didn't stop 'feeling'.

When the chemistry fails altogether the clay will dry out and turn to dust.
Doesn't mean I haven't moved on to something else.

What will I be aware of?
Everything my current set of senses cannot see or feel.

Think maybe the spiritual life is an interaction of dreams?
dreams we cannot have in this life.

Or maybe you might be content to follow your flesh into the grave.
You can't (don't seem able) to be without it now.
Can you be without it later?

If you can't let go...you lay in the box.
What if you dream....and can't wake up?
Without the interaction of others....what comfort can you have?

Oh, and....I think therefore I am.
Self awareness is dependent upon your senses?....or your thoughts?

I don't know why many keep bringing up dreams, they are not reality. You are dependent on your senses. With no senses you would be hardly aware of the external, if at all. However, even if your senses fail you'd still be conscious, true. It has nothing to do with a soul though, simply brain activity. Our brain creates thoughts, causes actions, etc. Once the brain is dead it's all over for us.

 

[Thief]

I hate it when the fideists run away. Anyway, sorry it took a while to respond but now:



I don't know why many keep bringing up dreams, they are not reality. You are dependent on your senses. With no senses you would be hardly aware of the external, if at all. However, even if your senses fail you'd still be conscious, true. It has nothing to do with a soul though, simply brain activity. Our brain creates thoughts, causes actions, etc. Once the brain is dead it's all over for us.

So you read it...but didn't really read it.

You are dependent on your body for interaction with this life.
That will end.
Doesn't mean the loss of your senses is the same as the loss of your mind.

Of course, if you continue with your dead body after your last breath...
you'll end up in solitary eternal darkness.
You won't last long there.
So it is correct to say...it's the end for you.
but not for me.

 

[1137]

So you read it...but didn't really read it.

You are dependent on your body for interaction with this life.
That will end.
Doesn't mean the loss of your senses is the same as the loss of your mind.

Of course, if you continue with your dead body after your last breath...
you'll end up in solitary eternal darkness.
You won't last long there.
So it is correct to say...it's the end for you.
but not for me.

The mind is produced by the brain. Are you suggesting we can somehow change this? No matter what you do we cannot sepatate consciousness from the body, especially after it ceases to exist. All we can do is consciousness exercises now, while it exists.

 

[Thief]

The mind is produced by the brain. Are you suggesting we can somehow change this? No matter what you do we cannot sepatate consciousness from the body, especially after it ceases to exist. All we can do is consciousness exercises now, while it exists.

A difficult argument to support...life after death....that's true....

But with 6billion+ copies of a physical form, designed to expose your mind and heart to this reality....
And then expect no one to step up from this life into the next?
No survivors?
All fail?

That I find hard to believe.

 

[1137]

A difficult argument to support...life after death....that's true....

But with 6billion+ copies of a physical form, designed to expose your mind and heart to this reality....
And then expect no one to step up from this life into the next?
No survivors?
All fail?

That I find hard to believe.

Who says the purpose of this life is to expose the heart and mind to this reality? I highly disagree, life exists out of pure chance for no purpose at all. Nobody survives death, that's the point of death and why many fear it; we subconsciously realize it's the end most likely. It's not a test or game, nothing to fail. I think one will enjoy life and appreciate it more once they accept this.

 

[Thief]

Who says the purpose of this life is to expose the heart and mind to this reality? I highly disagree, life exists out of pure chance for no purpose at all. Nobody survives death, that's the point of death and why many fear it; we subconsciously realize it's the end most likely. It's not a test or game, nothing to fail. I think one will enjoy life and appreciate it more once they accept this.

Actually...no.

You know a tool by it's design.
Sometimes the simplicity can leave you guessing....'what does this do?'

But the human form has a distinct design.
Five senses all feeding info into your mind and heart.
The body is a learning tool.
It cannot really do anything else.
Then back to God we go.

To say we are here to live and learn...to enjoy....
and all of this was generated by chance?....nay.

 

[1137]

Actually...no.

You know a tool by it's design.
Sometimes the simplicity can leave you guessing....'what does this do?'

But the human form has a distinct design.
Five senses all feeding info into your mind and heart.
The body is a learning tool.
It cannot really do anything else.
Then back to God we go.

To say we are here to live and learn...to enjoy....
and all of this was generated by chance?....nay.

Firstly, the senses do not actually get processed by the heart. I'm no longer sure if you're just being poetic or not. You're right that we don't do much besides learn, humanity is not nearly as awesome as we like to think. We know, thanks to evolution, that we did in fact come about by chance. We are not here to live and learn, we can just do those. We do not exist for a purpose, such thought is just comfort seeking.

 

[Thief]

Firstly, the senses do not actually get processed by the heart. I'm no longer sure if you're just being poetic or not. You're right that we don't do much besides learn, humanity is not nearly as awesome as we like to think. We know, thanks to evolution, that we did in fact come about by chance. We are not here to live and learn, we can just do those. We do not exist for a purpose, such thought is just comfort seeking.

I think I will coin a new catch phrase....'terminal logic'.

 

[1137]

I think I will coin a new catch phrase....'terminal logic'.

And what does this phrase mean?