The Logic of God

[Thief]

And what does this phrase mean?

The logic of God leans to believing.

Logic that leads to not believing, leads to the grave.

Terminal.

 

[1137]

The logic of God leans to believing.

Logic that leads to not believing, leads to the grave.

Terminal.

Logic, in the end, along with what we know, leads to not believing. You are on a path that only leads to the grave, all life is. Things will be better once people accept that. These hopeful and comforting ideas lead to such a lack of appreciation for life, as well as horrific acts encouragr with promises of paradise. Once we focus on accepting our mortality humanity will become more balanced and evolved.

 

[Thief]

Logic, in the end, along with what we know, leads to not believing. You are on a path that only leads to the grave, all life is. Things will be better once people accept that. These hopeful and comforting ideas lead to such a lack of appreciation for life, as well as horrific acts encouragr with promises of paradise. Once we focus on accepting our mortality humanity will become more balanced and evolved.

What you describe here is the everyday dogmatic faith....
which I don't follow.

Paradise?...nay
It takes discipline to walk this life....
how much more to walk among angels?
More balanced and evolved?....I hope so.

I am looking forward to a step up...you anticipate to lay down.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

The logic of God leans to believing.

What exactly is the 'logic' of God?
Calling things by words that do not actually describe that thing?

 

[PolyHedral]

And what does this phrase mean?

"Appeal to emotion."

 

[Thief]

"Appeal to emotion."

It was not an appeal to emotion....

The logic of God leans to believing.

Logic that leads to not believing, leads to the grave.

Terminal.

If it makes you feel bad....too bad.
How you feel about it doesn't change most post.

 

[1137]

It was not an appeal to emotion....

The logic of God leans to believing.

Logic that leads to not believing, leads to the grave.

Terminal.

If it makes you feel bad....too bad.
How you feel about it doesn't change most post.

No, you have to choose between logic and belief in the end. The only one having issues is you here, who hasn't provided one shred of evidence or argument for god ouside fear of death.

 

[PolyHedral]

Logic that leads to not believing, leads to the grave.

Apart from the fact that there's only one logic, ever, you're forgetting something.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm placing this thread in debate as it may well turn into one.
But for the most part, what I'm asking is a one statement essay that you believe shows a line of logic.

Pick any thought or feeling you might consider beyond refute.
Support with your cause for belief.

If you can refrain the rebuttal of someone else's essay....that would be good.
This thread is more to declaration than argument.

But should we digress to debate and rebuttal....oh well.

In trying to support belief in God through logic I suspect there are too many potential flaws.

So that leaves faith and or some kind of spiritual experience.

I think we don't know enough and would require too many assumption to create a sufficiently credible logical proof for God.

However it remains tempting to try logical proof one way or the other, to solve the unprovable proof.

I notice in the wisdom of Ecclesiastes they seem to give up on a logical understanding of God and basically say one is left to put their trust in God... faith not logic.

 

[Thief]

No, you have to choose between logic and belief in the end. The only one having issues is you here, who hasn't provided one shred of evidence or argument for god ouside fear of death.

Fear of death is not proof...true.
but I'm not trying to offer evidence.

 

[Thief]

In trying to support belief in God through logic I suspect there are too many potential flaws.

So that leaves faith and or some kind of spiritual experience.

I think we don't know enough and would require too many assumption to create a sufficiently credible logical proof for God.

However it remains tempting to try logical proof one way or the other, to solve the unprovable proof.

I notice in the wisdom of Ecclesiastes they seem to give up on a logical understanding of God and basically say one is left to put their trust in God... faith not logic.

So when you look in the mirror....you 'assume' you are an accident?
You and the 6billion other people...
all of the insects....
animals.....
etc...

That's a lot of accident to believe in.

 

[1137]

Fear of death is not proof...true.
but I'm not trying to offer evidence.

Well if you're trying the path of the fideist, logic is irrelevent.

 

[1137]

So when you look in the mirror....you 'assume' you are an accident?
You and the 6billion other people...
all of the insects....
animals.....
etc...

That's a lot of accident to believe in.

If anything it's one "accident" and then the events caused by that.

 

[Nakosis]

So when you look in the mirror....you 'assume' you are an accident?
You and the 6billion other people...
all of the insects....
animals.....
etc...

That's a lot of accident to believe in.

Is it so hard to accept one is the result of a chain reaction of circumstances?

There's nothing really accidental about it except that if one were to try to have predicted me or you being here at this moment in time it would have been a bit hard to do so. Because of that it may seem accidental.

Just because we don't have the information to accurately predict the future that doesn't mean there wasn't an order sequence of events in our being here involved.

The choices our ancestors made didn't have to be perfect. They just had to be good enough so they survived long enough to procreate. So here we are.

Maybe we had an nth chance of being here but there was enough of a probability of someone wining the lotto that here we are.

 

[Thief]

Is it so hard to accept one is the result of a chain reaction of circumstances?

There's nothing really accidental about it except that if one were to try to have predicted me or you being here at this moment in time it would have been a bit hard to do so. Because of that it may seem accidental.

Just because we don't have the information to accurately predict the future that doesn't mean there wasn't an order sequence of events in our being here involved.

The choices our ancestors made didn't have to be perfect. They just had to be good enough so they survived long enough to procreate. So here we are.

Maybe we had an nth chance of being here but there was enough of a probability of someone wining the lotto that here we are.

A chance occasion happening once...an accident.

6billion repeated accidents back to back?...not likely.

 

[1137]

A chance occasion happening once...an accident.

6billion repeated accidents back to back?...not likely.

I'm guessing by "accident" you mean the first cell which ended up evolving into all the living things you see? Well, just because we are not sure how this happened doesn't reallh make it an accident, it happed out of random chance. Since then it's been anything but an accident. Cell division, evolution, sexual intercourse, etc.

 

[Thief]

I'm guessing by "accident" you mean the first cell which ended up evolving into all the living things you see? Well, just because we are not sure how this happened doesn't reallh make it an accident, it happed out of random chance. Since then it's been anything but an accident. Cell division, evolution, sexual intercourse, etc.

SO!...you ARE willing to believe in something while lacking definitive cause!

Shall we now proceed with the logic of God?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

6billion repeated accidents back to back?...not likely.

That makes it a natural, expect-able occurrence. Nothing random or accidental about it at all. Based on the properties of all elements at hand and the environment in which they were, it was essentially a likely outcome.

The fact that right now, we don't know what combination of events lead to abiogenesis, does not create a supernatural gap. There are several natural possibilities, some of them strong, some weak. That's all. That lack of certainty does now indicate an outside influence.

Very soon we humans will be creating our own basic life in a lab, if it's not being done already in secret by some government. Since we have no practical method of knowing for certain what the initial abiogenesis situation was, we'll do it ourselves with the most favorable method available to our technology.

 

[Thief]

That makes it a natural, expect-able occurrence. Nothing random or accidental about it at all. Based on the properties of all elements at hand and the environment in which they were, it was essentially a likely outcome.

The fact that right now, we don't know what combination of events lead to abiogenesis, does not create a supernatural gap. There are several natural possibilities, some of them strong, some weak. That's all. That lack of certainty does now indicate an outside influence.

Very soon we humans will be creating our own basic life in a lab, if it's not being done already in secret by some government. Since we have no practical method of knowing for certain what the initial abiogenesis situation was, we'll do it ourselves with the most favorable method available to our technology.

What does indicate a 'Supernatural' influence is the the repeated effect.

The body causes each one of us to learn.
It can't really do anything else.
We become unique in spirit.
We can't help it.

Then back to God we go.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What does indicate a 'Supernatural' influence is the the repeated effect.

What "repeated effect"? How does this indicate a supernatural influence?