The logical fallacy of atheism

[ImmortalFlame]

Okay, now just prove that one of these possible fallibilities actually applies to me, and you might have an argument.

Prove that one of those fallibilities apply to me and my claim about leprechauns. Do leprechauns exist or not?

Do you see the problem with your logic yet?

 

[serp777]

Okay, now just prove that one of these possible fallibilities actually applies to me, and you might have an argument.

Well sure thing!

"Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, auditory hallucinations, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and inactivity."

"ndividuals with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations (most reported are hearing voices), delusions (often bizarre or persecutory in nature), and disorganized thinking and speech."

Schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You said you have heard God, you've said that you know that which cannot be known, and you pose some bizarre irrelevant questions sometimes. And you're on this forum quite a bit which leads me to believe that your social life is probably not very strong.

 

[Sapiens]

Momento homo Sonofason

 

[Sonofason]

But they are still free to question whether that belief is justified or not, especially if you're going to make factual claims about that belief. They were not accusing you of being wrong, but asking you to justify your belief and establish how you know you are right. You know what you have experienced, but the question is: how do you know if what you experienced was legitimate, and if you cannot establish that, why would you believe in it any more than you would believe in other people's experiences of leprechauns, or Allah, or reincarnation?

Certainly, everyone is free to question my experiences. I know I have. But I have talked to enough believers to know that I do indeed experience God, because we share a common experience of God. It is confirmation for me. That's all I need, to trust that my experience is what I believe it to be. I'm sorry I can't share it with you. It comes from God. And of course, I do not control what God does. But I am most certain, that if you love God, and obey God, He will reveal Himself to you to. I am that certain. Just do it. Trust in Him, even just a little and you will see that what I am saying is true. And then you will believe me that my experience of God is legitimate and true.

 

[Willamena]

Well sure thing!

"Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, auditory hallucinations, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and inactivity."

"ndividuals with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations (most reported are hearing voices), delusions (often bizarre or persecutory in nature), and disorganized thinking and speech."

Schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You said you have heard God, you've said that you know that which cannot be known, and you pose some bizarre irrelevant questions sometimes. And you're on this forum quite a bit which leads me to believe that your social life is probably not very strong.

How does that prove that any fallabilities apply to him?

You're making a bizarre strawman... does that mean you're schizophrenic?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Certainly, everyone is free to question my experiences. I know I have. But I have talked to enough believers to know that I do indeed experience God, because we share a common experience of God.

There are lots of people who share common experiences of all kinds of things. Wiccan magick, scientology, reincarnation, nirvana, Hindu Gods, Allah, astral projection.

Are they all true?

It is confirmation for me. That's all I need, to trust that my experience is what I believe it to be. I'm sorry I can't share it with you. It comes from God. And of course, I do not control what God does. But I am most certain, that if you love God, and obey God, He will reveal Himself to you to. I am that certain. Just do it. Trust in Him, even just a little and you will see that what I am saying is true. And then you will believe me that my experience of God is legitimate and true.

Simply: no.

I will not engage in circular logic by believing in God before I have a good reason to. The fact that you fail to recognize the flaw in your own logic indicates to me that your position is unjustified.

 

[Sapiens]

Sure, curse myself with your disease and I'll see the light and join your group therapy group. Sounds great!

 

[serp777]

How does that prove that any fallabilities apply to him?

You're making a bizarre strawman... does that mean you're schizophrenic?

Did you not read the previous arguments? It shows that his magical thinking would fall under the description of schizophrenia. Furthermore all schizophrenics know their delusions are correct, similar to this guy. He said that he has heard God speak to him, which would be classified as an auditory hallucination.

 

[Willamena]

Did you not read the previous arguments? It shows that his magical thinking would fall under the description of schizophrenia. Furthermore all schizophrenics know their delusions are correct, similar to this guy. He said that he has heard God speak to him, which would be classified as an auditory hallucination.

But you also indulge the delusion that his is magical thinking, and know your conclusion is correct...

 

[Sapiens]

Occum's razor ... his magical thinking is delusional. Fits all the technical descriptions and the DRGs. Medication and therapy would be covered by insurance.

 

[Willamena]

Occum's razor ... his magical thinking is delusional. Fits all the technical descriptions and the DRGs. Medication and therapy would be covered by insurance.

Actually, Occam's Razor would invite us to believe that everyone is rational before assuming they indulge magical thinking.

 

[Sonofason]

I dunno about 'many', but I have no reason to doubt that there are self-proclaimed atheists who are not in fact atheists.
As you say, it's just a word, and people often try to identify with things they actually aren't, for various reasons.

I say this because I believe atheism is completely illogical. It's one thing to say I don't believe there is a pink elephant in the room, but quite another to say there is no God in the room.

Pink elephants are pink. As far as I know only objects are capable of reflecting and or emitting photons of light. And elephants are a known thing. If there were a pink elephant in the room I'd know it.

God is spirit. If God is in the room, you might not be aware of His presence. It would be illogical to say He is not in the room. He is not a pink elephant.

 

[serp777]

But you also indulge the delusion that his is magical thinking, and know your conclusion is correct...

Well anyone who thinks they are receiving special knowledge from God directly is probably crazy.

And i'm guessing you indulge the delusion that all the hamas fighters/terrorists, and mothers who have killed their children in the name of God had incorrect conclusions?

I mean be real here; why does this guy have more reliability than hamas holy warriors?

 

[Bunyip]

I say this because I believe atheism is completely illogical. It's one thing to say I don't believe there is a pink elephant in the room, but quite another to say there is no God in the room.

Pink elephants are pink. As far as I know only objects are capable of reflecting and or emitting photons of light. And elephants are a known thing. If there were a pink elephant in the room I'd know it.

God is spirit. If God is in the room, you might not be aware of His presence. It would be illogical to say He is not in the room. He is not a pink elephant.

Now try that with an invisible Pink Elephant.

 

[Sonofason]

Prove that one of those fallibilities apply to me and my claim about leprechauns. Do leprechauns exist or not?

Do you see the problem with your logic yet?

I never made the claim that you haven't experienced the magical leprechaun that you say you experience. But I do question your honesty. And you know why.

 

[Willamena]

I say this because I believe atheism is completely illogical. It's one thing to say I don't believe there is a pink elephant in the room, but quite another to say there is no God in the room.

Pink elephants are pink. As far as I know only objects are capable of reflecting and or emitting photons of light. And elephants are a known thing. If there were a pink elephant in the room I'd know it.

God is spirit. If God is in the room, you might not be aware of His presence. It would be illogical to say He is not in the room. He is not a pink elephant.

From this, "spirit" means invisible, intangible, inaudible, etc., which puts god on the same par as an invisible, intangible, etc. elephant.

If it's irrational to believe one isn't in the room, it's irrational to believe either is.

 

[Bunyip]

You don't know if God exists or not. So you could indeed hate God, because as far as you know, He might exist, and you hate that.

That doesn't make sense either - I can't hate something unless I believe it exists.

 

[Willamena]

Well anyone who thinks they are receiving special knowledge from God directly is probably crazy.

And i'm guessing you indulge the delusion that all the hamas fighters/terrorists, and mothers who have killed their children in the name of God had incorrect conclusions?

How does this irrational assumption aid your case? It sounds like something a schizophrenic might do...

I mean be real here; why does this guy have more reliability than hamas holy warriors?

Because he's here, on an Internet forum, willing to discuss something with you, if you let him.

 

[Sonofason]

Well sure thing!

"Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, auditory hallucinations, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and inactivity."

"ndividuals with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations (most reported are hearing voices), delusions (often bizarre or persecutory in nature), and disorganized thinking and speech."

Schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You said you have heard God, you've said that you know that which cannot be known, and you pose some bizarre irrelevant questions sometimes. And you're on this forum quite a bit which leads me to believe that your social life is probably not very strong.

Vary good, now just prove to me that I've experienced hallucinations. Prove that any voice I might have heard was the result of a hallucination or a delusion. Prove that I am delusional. Prove that my thinking is disorganized. Prove that my speech is disorganized.

Prove that I have not heard God. Prove that what I know cannot be known. Prove that my questions are bizarre.

I assure you, you can't.

 

[Sapiens]

Actually, Occam's Razor would invite us to believe that everyone is rational before assuming they indulge magical thinking.

I am not assuming it, he is presenting with classic symptoms.

And Jesus was a sailor
when he walked upon the water
and he spent a long time watching
from his lonely wooden tower
and when he knew for certain
only drowning men could see him
he said All men will be sailors then
until the sea shall free them
but he himself was broken
long before the sky would open
forsaken, almost human
he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone