The logical fallacy of atheism

[Sonofason]

Why? What difference would it make?

You said that saying there was no pink elephant in the room was different to saying that there was no god in the room because you could see pink elephants.

So if it is an invisible pink elephant , then what?

I already told you. If you believe it is there, be happy believing it is there.

 

[Sonofason]

Why? What difference would it make?

You said that saying there was no pink elephant in the room was different to saying that there was no god in the room because you could see pink elephants.

So if it is an invisible pink elephant , then what?

I already told you. If you believe it is there, be happy believing it is there. However, if it is invisible, how can it be pink?

 

[Sonofason]

I beg to differ, there is a very real case and were I to wake up one morning and find myself having a conversation with a God of any form my next stop would be the Emergency Room, for several different reasons: I may be unbalanced or I may have been drugged ... I'd consider them both.

Honestly, some idiots make claims that someone else has claimed to have heard the voice of God. Then other idiots extrapolate those false claims and suggest that the said person not only hears the voice of God, but also has a conversation with God. Then that idiot will go on to say that his next step ought to be an Emergency Room.

I never said I have heard the voice of God. I never said I have conversations with God.

So find me an idiot.

 

[Sonofason]

Depends on how you define the terms, as it's not globally consistent.
But in the interests of an honest answer for an honest question...

The agnostic and I both conclude that it's unknowable whether there is a God in the room. From that initial, mutually consistent position, the agnostic determines that it is not possible to know whether there is a God, whilst I determine that there is no evidence for God.

Are you suggesting that the agnostics do not determine that there is no evidence for God?

Because if they do, what is the difference between your position and the agnostic position.

 

[serp777]

And that's not a turd dropped. Got it.


I don't see the point--I don't see them receiving divine revelation. But obviously you do...

Ah, the un-defeatable reversal spite cliche. What a powerful argument.

I don't see the point--I don't see them receiving divine revelation. But obviously you do

I don't see your point. What does you seeing them have to do with anything? A simple google search will reveal that members of hamas believe that God has spoken to them directly and told them to fight in the name of holy war. I'll provide a link if you really didn't know about this.

The point is that for centuries, from the oracles at delphi to the modern day Islamic terrorists, people have been receiving special knowledge from divine deities, and none of them have any proof or reliability backing them up. Plus many of them are inconsistent, so they obviously can't all be correct.

I know this is a really tough one for you for some reason, but therefore, sonafan's divine revelations have no more credibility or reliability than any one else's, such as the terrorists or other religious fanatics, or the oracles at delphi. This is the main point you should be addressing but are not for some reason.

And obviously I do? Well no duh. I am somewhat up to date on current events.

 

[Bunyip]

I already told you. If you believe it is there, be happy believing it is there. However, if it is invisible, how can it be pink?

If god is invisible - how could he have an image for us to be fashioned after?

 

[serp777]

Hamas has absolutely nothing at all to do with God.

It does in the sense that your special knowledge of God is just as reasonable as theirs.

 

[Sonofason]

If god is invisible - how could he have an image for us to be fashioned after?

Ask His Son. He was there with God. Nothing that was made was made without Him. So ask Him.

"Let us make man in our image".

 

[serp777]

Serp777, you have on several occasion stated that I have said that I have heard the voice of God. Now prove it.

So then how are you getting all this special knowledge? God is transmitting it to you through feelings? That's ridiculous. Or is it that you read scriptures and then those feelings tell you which interpretation is correct?

Either way it's special magical knowledge and a hallucination.

Now prove that Hamas fighters haven't received the correct special knowledge from God. Because you and them can't both be right.

 

[Bunyip]

Ask His Son. He was there with God. Nothing that was made was made without Him. So ask Him.

"Let us make man in our image".

I'm asking you.

If an invisible pink elephant can not exist, how can an invisible, immaterial god exist?

 

[Willamena]

Ah, the un-defeatable reversal spite cliche. What a powerful argument.

I don't know what that is.

I don't see your point. What does you seeing them have to do with anything? A simple google search will reveal that members of hamas believe that God has spoken to them directly and told them to fight in the name of holy war. I'll provide a link if you really didn't know about this.

And? A google search will reveal a number of people saying they've seen god.

The point is that for centuries, from the oracles at delphi to the modern day Islamic terrorists, people have been receiving special knowledge from divine deities, and none of them have any proof or reliability backing them up. Plus many of them are inconsistent, so they obviously can't all be correct.

I know this is a really tough one for you for some reason, but therefore, sonafan's divine revelations have no more credibility or reliability than any one else's, such as the terrorists or other religious fanatics, or the oracles at delphi. This is the main point you should be addressing but are not for some reason.

And obviously I do? Well no duh. I am somewhat up to date on current events.

You made the claim that Sonofason was schizophrenic without evidence.

I'm not inclined to believe you.

If your only evidence is the case that all people who receive divine revelation are schizophrenic, I'm even less inclined to believe.

 

[serp777]

I don't know what that is.


And? A google search will reveal a number of people saying they've seen god.


You made the claim that Sonofason was schizophrenic without evidence.

I'm not inclined to believe you.

I used the "drop a turd" statement, and then instead of addressing the argument after that, all you did was reverse the first comment on my paragraph, in response, out of spite. Of course that reversal spite is way too strong. /sarcasm

"And? A google search will reveal a number of people saying they've seen god."

Yes, it's sometimes called religious schizophrenia. And so what makes his claims any more reasonable than those who have seen the hindu God's or whatever?

"The relationship between religion and schizophrenia is of particular interest to psychologists because of the similarities between religious experiences and psychotic episodes; religious experiences often involve auditory and/or visual hallucinations, and those with schizophrenia commonly report similar hallucinations, along with a variety of delusions and faulty beliefs. A common report from those with schizophrenia is some type of a religious delusion - that is, they believe they are divine beings, God is talking to them, they are possessed by demons, etc.[5][6][7] In a study of patients with schizophrenia that had been previously admitted to a hospital, 24% had religious delusions.[8] This has led some researchers to question whether schizophrenia leads an individual to become more religious, or if intense religiosity leads to schizophrenia.[9]"

Religion and schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I never said he was a schizophrenic; quote me. I suggested that he could be a schizophrenic based on observations of his special knowledge and magical thinking. The point was to show that he is not infallible and could be a schizophrenic instead of God's next feeling messenger, or however he magically receives knowledge. Based on the above studies as well, many people who receive divine revelations and special knowledge are schizophrenic so my claim is not even unfounded.

And in what way was it without evidence? I provided some observations which matched the description.

If your only evidence is the case that all people who receive divine revelation are schizophrenic, I'm even less inclined to believe.

A strawman. Not all religious people who have "revelations" are schizophrenic, but rather those who are schizophrenic often have delusional religious beliefs, such as the belief that a deity is communicating with them.

 

[Willamena]

I used the "drop a turd" statement, and then instead of addressing the argument after that, all you did was reverse the first comment on my paragraph, in response, out of spite. Of course that reversal spite is way too strong. /sarcasm

No, no... I was just pointing out the double-standard.

Yes, it's sometimes called religious schizophrenia. And so what makes his claims any more reasonable than those who have seen the hindu God's or whatever?

"The relationship between religion and schizophrenia is of particular interest to psychologists because of the similarities between religious experiences and psychotic episodes; religious experiences often involve auditory and/or visual hallucinations, and those with schizophrenia commonly report similar hallucinations, along with a variety of delusions and faulty beliefs. A common report from those with schizophrenia is some type of a religious delusion - that is, they believe they are divine beings, God is talking to them, they are possessed by demons, etc.[5][6][7] In a study of patients with schizophrenia that had been previously admitted to a hospital, 24% had religious delusions.[8] This has led some researchers to question whether schizophrenia leads an individual to become more religious, or if intense religiosity leads to schizophrenia.[9]"

Religion and schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I never said he was a schizophrenic; quote me. I suggested that he could be a schizophrenic based on observations of his special knowledge and magical thinking.

That's suggestive.

The point was to show that he is not infallible and could be a schizophrenic instead of God's next feeling messenger, or however he magically receives knowledge. Based on the above studies as well, many people who receive divine revelations and special knowledge are schizophrenic so my claim is not even unfounded.

And in what way was it without evidence? I provided some observations which matched the description.



A strawman. Not all religious people who have "revelations" are schizophrenic, but rather those who are schizophrenic often have delusional religious beliefs, such as the belief that a deity is communicating with them.

And...?

 

[serp777]

No, no... I was just pointing out the double-standard.



That's suggestive.
And...?

You didn't point out any double standard though. All you did was say it was a turd without providing a single point of justification for why that was the case.

And.... what?

And thus Sonfasan is no more reliable than those schizophrenics, in addition to the fact that he could be a schizophrenic although it is not proven.

And thus Sonafasan is no more reliable than hamas terrorists.

And thus it is very unlikely Sonfasan is in direct communication with God.

And thus people who think they are in direct communication with a deity are probably not.

 

[Willamena]

And delusion.

 

[Sonofason]

You didn't point out any double standard though. All you did was say it was a turd without providing a single point of justification for why that was the case.

And.... what?

And thus Sonfasan is no more reliable than those schizophrenics, in addition to the fact that he could be a schizophrenic although it is not proven.

And thus Sonafasan is no more reliable than hamas terrorists.

And thus it is very unlikely Sonfasan is in direct communication with God.

And thus people who think they are in direct communication with a deity are probably not.

It's amazing that you would trust Hamas before trusting me. Good luck with that approach.

 

[McBell]

Let us leave that which has come from the gutter to remain in the gutter.

Interesting that you refuse to take your own advise...

 

[serp777]

And delusion.

Indeed. I left that one out. Thanks for finishing my thought for me.

 

[serp777]

It's amazing that you would trust Hamas before trusting me. Good luck with that approach.

It's amazing that you think your divine revelations are more reliable than theirs. I would probably trust you more not to kill me, but I would trust your religious accuracy in terms of truth to be about the same.

 

[McBell]

It's amazing that you would trust Hamas before trusting me. Good luck with that approach.

It is even more interesting that you somehow think you have presented a better reason to trust you over Hamas...