The logical fallacy of atheism

[Sonofason]

There are lots of people who share common experiences of all kinds of things. Wiccan magick, scientology, reincarnation, nirvana, Hindu Gods, Allah, astral projection.

Are they all true?


Simply: no.

I will not engage in circular logic by believing in God before I have a good reason to. The fact that you fail to recognize the flaw in your own logic indicates to me that your position is unjustified.

Yet, according to my Savior, I shall be justified.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I say this because I believe atheism is completely illogical. It's one thing to say I don't believe there is a pink elephant in the room, but quite another to say there is no God in the room.

Pink elephants are pink. As far as I know only objects are capable of reflecting and or emitting photons of light. And elephants are a known thing. If there were a pink elephant in the room I'd know it.

God is spirit. If God is in the room, you might not be aware of His presence. It would be illogical to say He is not in the room. He is not a pink elephant.

I have no reason to believe there is a God.
He might be in the room, but if he is, he has no impact on the room, nor on me.
If he exists, then perhaps he is as one of the various religions describes him. Then again, maybe not.

Atheism is not a statement of fact in the way you are suggesting. It is a rejection of theism.

 

[Sonofason]

Well anyone who thinks they are receiving special knowledge from God directly is probably crazy.

And i'm guessing you indulge the delusion that all the hamas fighters/terrorists, and mothers who have killed their children in the name of God had incorrect conclusions?

I mean be real here; why does this guy have more reliability than hamas holy warriors?

Hamas has absolutely nothing at all to do with God.

 

[Sonofason]

Now try that with an invisible Pink Elephant.

Okay, please show me the statistics for the number of people who believe in invisible Pink Elephants. Let me investigate their existence first, before I pass any judgment. Cite your sources, so I can follow up.

 

[Sonofason]

From this, "spirit" means invisible, intangible, inaudible, etc., which puts god on the same par as an invisible, intangible, etc. elephant.

If it's irrational to believe one isn't in the room, it's irrational to believe either is.

What would you say if you were touched by this supposed invisible pink elephant, such that you knew it was present in the room. Would you then believe it is in the room?

Obviously, you might consider that you might be crazy, but what if your not?

 

[Sapiens]

you might consider that you might be crazy, but what if your not?

I'd play the odds and seek professional help.

 

[Bunyip]

Okay, please show me the statistics for the number of people who believe in invisible Pink Elephants. Let me investigate their existence first, before I pass any judgment. Cite your sources, so I can follow up.

What difference would numbers make? You are making a fallacious argument from popularity.

How can you prove that there is no INVISIBLE pink elephant in the room?

 

[Willamena]

I am not assuming it, he is presenting with classic symptoms.

And Jesus was a sailor
when he walked upon the water
and he spent a long time watching
from his lonely wooden tower
and when he knew for certain
only drowning men could see him
he said All men will be sailors then
until the sea shall free them
but he himself was broken
long before the sky would open
forsaken, almost human
he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone

As the son of a son of a sailor
I went out on the sea for adventure
Expanding the view of the Captain and crew
Like a man just released from indenture

 

[Sonofason]

I have no reason to believe there is a God.
He might be in the room, but if he is, he has no impact on the room, nor on me.
If he exists, then perhaps he is as one of the various religions describes him. Then again, maybe not.

Atheism is not a statement of fact in the way you are suggesting. It is a rejection of theism.

Then what is the difference between your position and the agnostic position. An agnostic would not notice God in the room, and would conclude that if there is a God in the room, it is unknowable, therefore I cannot know if there is a God in the room.

How does this differ from your position?

 

[Sonofason]

I'd play the odds and seek professional help.

That is because you know more of yourself then you know about me.

 

[Sonofason]

What difference would numbers make? You are making a fallacious argument from popularity.

How can you prove that there is no INVISIBLE pink elephant in the room?

Well then just name one person who actually believes there is a pink elephant in the room.

 

[Sapiens]

I can't. The point is that crazy people imagine everything from elephants to dogs that tell them to kill people. These people clearly need help ... but so do those who imagine they talk to God. Our current society gives that derangement the same sort of pass that the Ancient Greeks gave schizophrenics at the Oracle of Delphi (and elsewhere as I understand it). They thought them touched by the Gods, now we know better. When you carry that knowledge one God further ... you realize these folks are badly in need of help.

 

[serp777]

How does this irrational assumption aid your case? It sounds like something a schizophrenic might do...


Because he's here, on an Internet forum, willing to discuss something with you, if you let him.

You clearly have no idea what a schizophrenic actually is. Perhaps you should browse the wiki pedia article i posted before dropping turds like that . And furthermore you're making the irrational assumption that either hearing the special word directly from God is rational, or that it is sometimes irrational. And apparently the word probably went right over your head.

So do you think hamas fighters and mothers who murder their children after recieving a divine revalation are rational? Notice how ypu glossed over that point. Why should his divine revalations be more reliable?

 

[Willamena]

What would you say if you were touched by this supposed invisible pink elephant, such that you knew it was present in the room. Would you then believe it is in the room?

Obviously, you might consider that you might be crazy, but what if your not?

I have come face-to-backside with god. There is a case to be made for it not being belief that sustains god present with the world, and just as strong a case for belief being tied to empiricism. There's a case for the pink elephant on a par with god, and for god being not the image of god.

There's no case for it being schizophrenia. Just ignore that.

 

[Bunyip]

Well then just name one person who actually believes there is a pink elephant in the room.

Why? What difference would it make?

You said that saying there was no pink elephant in the room was different to saying that there was no god in the room because you could see pink elephants.

So if it is an invisible pink elephant , then what?

 

[Willamena]

And furthermore you're making the irrational assumption that either hearing the special word directly from God is rational, or that it is sometimes irrational. And apparently the word probably went right over your head.

And that's not a turd dropped. Got it.

So do you think hamas fighters and mothers who murder their children after recieving a divine revalation are rational? Notice how ypu glossed over that point. Why should his divine revalations be more reliable?

I don't see the point--I don't see them receiving divine revelation. But obviously you do...

 

[Sapiens]

There's no case for it being schizophrenia. Just ignore that.

I beg to differ, there is a very real case and were I to wake up one morning and find myself having a conversation with a God of any form my next stop would be the Emergency Room, for several different reasons: I may be unbalanced or I may have been drugged ... I'd consider them both.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Then what is the difference between your position and the agnostic position. An agnostic would not notice God in the room, and would conclude that if there is a God in the room, it is unknowable, therefore I cannot know if there is a God in the room.

How does this differ from your position?

Depends on how you define the terms, as it's not globally consistent.
But in the interests of an honest answer for an honest question...

The agnostic and I both conclude that it's unknowable whether there is a God in the room. From that initial, mutually consistent position, the agnostic determines that it is not possible to know whether there is a God, whilst I determine that there is no evidence for God.

 

[Sonofason]

You clearly have no idea what a schizophrenic actually is. Perhaps you should browse the wiki pedia article i posted before dropping turds like that . And furthermore you're making the irrational assumption that either hearing the special word directly from God is rational, or that it is sometimes irrational. And apparently the word probably went right over your head.

So do you think hamas fighters and mothers who murder their children after recieving a divine revalation are rational? Notice how ypu glossed over that point. Why should his divine revalations be more reliable?

Serp777, you have on several occasion stated that I have said that I have heard the voice of God. Now prove it.

 

[Sonofason]

I have come face-to-backside with god. There is a case to be made for it not being belief that sustains god present with the world, and just as strong a case for belief being tied to empiricism. There's a case for the pink elephant on a par with god, and for god being not the image of god.

There's no case for it being schizophrenia. Just ignore that.

Thank you. I'm quite certain I'm not crazy. However, if God does not exist, then perhaps I am.