Muffled
Jesus in me
So then please explain how that works in your case. Are you saying that Jesus is only your guide through scripture and not by His Spirit?
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"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is the self fulfilling prophecy. He believes it so that makes it true whether God agrees or not.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
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3rdAngel
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Not really. You have only posted your words and your words are not Gods Word. If you and God were on the same page Gods Word would not disagree with your words.
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3rdAngel
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Your response here..
Gods Spirit works through the scriptures not against them. See John 6:63; John 17:17 and we cannot know the truth of them unless God is our guide and teacher through His Spirit *see Isaiah 55:8-9 and compare John 7:17; John 8:31-36; John 14:26; John 16:13.
Take Care.
3rdAngel
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Agreed, there is not a single scripture in all the bible that link Sunday to "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:102 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Yes, Certainly, The Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day.
Lord's Day
The Lord's Day in Christianity is generally Sunday, the principal day of communal worship. It is observed by most Christians as the weekly memorial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is said in the canonical Gospels to have been witnessed alive from the dead early on the first day of the week.
According to some sources, Christians held the Sabbath as resting day, commemorating the God's Commandment, which said that the Sabbath should be the day of resting, according to Exodus. 20:08. After Constantine the Great's in 321 and the Council of Laodicea from 363, the Christian rulers decided that the commandment of God is no more valid, now being needed to follow the commandments of people, switching in this sense the day of rest to Sunday, and by 361 AD it had become a mandated weekly occurrence.
Lord's Day - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You assume that what you say is what God says, which is extraordinarily arrogant.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You really are no different -- perhaps you should take the log out of your own eye before you focus on helping Muffled with his speck.
3rdAngel
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Please be honest. I post scripture which is what God says. You have more in common with @Muffled than I do. You both quote your own words and not Gods Word (scripture). Stop being hypocritical and arrogant and pull the beam out of your own eye (Matthew 7:1-7; Romans 2:1-12).
You take care now.
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Elihoenai
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Also there is Absolutely no verse in the Holy Scriptures/Bible that states the Lord's Day is the First Day of the Week. Why are you being Partial to Ignatius?
The Lord’s Day
"...I. The origin of the Christian Sunday
Many people believe that the origin of the Christian Sunday is identical with the origin of the Heb. sabbath, and that the sabbath was changed either by Jesus Himself or by His apostles from the seventh to the first day of the week (Wilbur F. Crafts, The Sabbath for Man, p. 376; R. L. Dabney, The Christian Sabbath, pp. 6-8; J. P. Hutchison, Our Obligations to the Day of Rest and Worship, p. 100). This belief has persisted even though no passage of Scripture can be found that teaches that the Heb. sabbath has been transferred from one day of the week to another...."
The Lord’s Day - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway
The Christians that are Devoted to Keeping the Commands of Elohim/God Know with Absolute Certainty that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day By Revelation. It is correct to state that in the Holy Scripture/Bible there is no Explicit Literal Reference that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day.
3rdAngel
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Because @IndigoChild5559 has no scripture to support His position which is why he is unable to provide any scripture in support of his opinions and why he is unwilling to discuss the scriptures shared with him that are in disagreement with him.Also there is Absolutely no verse in the Holy Scriptures/Bible that states the Lord's Day is the First Day of the Week. Why are you being Partial to Ignatius?
The Lord’s Day
"...I. The origin of the Christian Sunday
Many people believe that the origin of the Christian Sunday is identical with the origin of the Heb. sabbath, and that the sabbath was changed either by Jesus Himself or by His apostles from the seventh to the first day of the week (Wilbur F. Crafts, The Sabbath for Man, p. 376; R. L. Dabney, The Christian Sabbath, pp. 6-8; J. P. Hutchison, Our Obligations to the Day of Rest and Worship, p. 100). This belief has persisted even though no passage of Scripture can be found that teaches that the Heb. sabbath has been transferred from one day of the week to another...."
The Lord’s Day - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway
www.biblegateway.com
The Christians that are Devoted to Keeping the Commands of Elohim/God Know with Absolute Certainty that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day By Revelation. It is correct to state that in the Holy Scripture/Bible there is no Explicit Literal Reference that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day.
Elihoenai
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John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I'm Asserting the Absolute Truth that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day to Encourage and Fortify those Christians that are Devoted to Keeping the Commands of Elohim/God.
3rdAngel
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Hey thanks man, nice to see someone who reads the bible for themselves....
God bless.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Absolute truth? No, you are dead wrong.
1. The Bible never identifies The Lord's Day as the sabbath, or specify which day of the week it is.
2. We learn from the Apostolic Fathers that the Lord's Day IS NOT the sabbath. For example, Ignatius wrote, "no longer living for the Sabbath, but for the Lord's Day"
3rdAngel
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Well that statement is not truthful at all. Scriptures proving that the Sabbath is the Lords day that you choose to ignore and not respond to has already been provided in post # 2479 linked. The correct statement is the bible does not identify anywhere that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day of Revelation 1:10 but scripture agrees that God claims ownership and authority over the Sabbath day and that the Sabbath day is "the Lords day" as shown in the linked post provided in this post.
Once again you put your Apostolic father outside of the bible over the scriptures that are Gods Word in the bible that that are in disagreement with you and your father in order to justify sin (breaking Gods commandments - 1 John 3:4). We are better off to believe and obey what Gods Word says then to go against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 and follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God (see Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29; 32; and 2 Timothy 3:16).
Take Care.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
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3rdAngel
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Agreed. You are unwilling to respond to the scriptures that are in disagreement with you and you delete Gods Word when it is shared with you so you do not need to respond to it in fulfillment of Isaiah 6:9-10.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
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Elihoenai
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Everything to the Glory of Elohim/God. Thanks for Supporting and Promoting Sabbath Day Observance.
A Real Christian Must Study and Read the Holy Scriptures/Bible for themselves, although it is much more difficult to Submit to its Authority.
I have been looking deeper into how Yeshua/Jesus and Ancient Israel kept the Sabbath Day. We are Commanded to Rest from Work on the Holy Sabbath. What have you learnt from the Holy Scriptures/Bible about how we should Worship Elohim/God on the Sabbath Day? I created a thread to discuss Sabbath Day observance.
Elohim/God Bless!
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Elihoenai
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You and 2.2 Billion of Christians in Christendom can continue to believe and follow the teachings of the Church Fathers and Ignatius. I'm not trying to convince you, @IndigoChild5559, otherwise. What We Know with Absolute Certainty By Revelation that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day is Extra-Biblical from your perspective.
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