Ebionite
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He did.
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"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES
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Ebionite
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I do.
The claim is proven by your response. If I was wasn't telling the truth then you could show how you validate the text that you call scripture.
3rdAngel
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What you mean just like you cannot validate scripture is not Gods Word? You did not prove anything accept to ignore the scriptures in the post that are in disagreement with you. Proven in post # 2525 linked
Ebionite
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I did that before when I posted the text that showed that the word is spoken, not written.
3rdAngel
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No you didn't. Once again your post makes no sense and is unresponsive to the scriptures and questions that are in disagreement with you in post # 2525 linked that you simply choose to ignore. It is not truthful to try and claim that Gods Word is no longer Gods Word because it is now recorded in the scriptures when that is the very definition of scripture is Gods inspired Words that are God breathed and the recorded written Word of God.
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Ebionite
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You can't validate that belief.
3rdAngel
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Lets be honest. You cannot validate that scripture is not Gods Word can you? Although I know Gods Word is true with all my heart because unlike you, I know God and believe His Word which are Gods conditions for receiving His Spirit. Where as according to the scriptures sin and unbelief will keep all who practice it out of Gods kingdom. You do not know God or His Word. Its like me taking a bite of an apple and asking you what my apple tastes like. I know what it tastes like. You can never know because you have not take a bite of the apple. Likewise Gods salvation according to the scriptures is conditional on us believing and obeying what Gods Word says. You can never know God if you do not believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures only death awaits all those who walk that path (see Ezekiel 18:4; John 3:31; Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:36-31 and 1 John 2:3-4).
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Ebionite
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You made the claim, so the burden of proof is yours.
3rdAngel
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See the post above yours. Also as posted back to you earlier you cannot validate scripture is not Gods Word. - so your post does not prove or support your view now does it accept to prove your unbelief which the bible calls sin (Romans 14:23).
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Ebionite
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How do you think I could prove that other that by pointing out the fact that you can't validate what you believe?
3rdAngel
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You cannot prove that the scriptures are not Gods Word. That was my point. The rest of your post was answered in post # 2457 linked. You simply choose to ignore it and demonstrated your unbelief which the bible defines as sin in Romans 14:23 compare John 3:36.
Ebionite
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You're avoiding the question. I also previously argued hat you were quoting a liar (Acts 26 vs Acts 22 & Acts 22 vs Acts 9), which tends to show that your position isn't based in truth. If I'm right about you then you will refuse to address that issue, since that would force the validation of your beliefs.
3rdAngel
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No it is you that is avoiding the questions and scriptures as already posted post # 2525 linked and in post # 2457 linked that you simply choose to ignore. Lets be honest. There is nothing at all in Acts 26 vs Acts 22 & Acts 22 vs Acts 9 that shows anything that I have posted here is not truth. If you disagree. Prove how these scriptures disagree with anything that I have posted in this thread. If you cannot why make claims that are not true?
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Altfish
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But that's what I mean the Bible is c2000-years old. We have the internet, television, she could even release a 2023 version of The Bible.
But, no, it's just silence.
Altfish
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When was that? Was in broadcast on Fox News?
3rdAngel
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Not sure what you mean here. The scriptures of the old and new testament are older than the internet and TV and is freely available everywhere to anyone. It is even free online on the internet.
Altfish
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BUT there is a lot of 'interpretation' needed to understand this ancient document. Like, "Which Day is the Lord's Day"
Why doesn't god clear up all these issues by issuing a 2023 version of The Bible? She could go on TV to explain it.
What is the hold up?
Ebionite
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Post #2525 was premised on your denial of my claim that:
The issue of Paul's relationship with Rome has priority over any of your later questions. Acts 26 involves Paul's appeal to Caesar.
So your position is that if you base your argument on the teachings of a liar, then your argument is true regardless of the facts, right?
Ebionite
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When the prophets knew about it.
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And if the prophecies are weak and mundane? Suppose they're all vague or predict ordinary events, what does that indicate?
Category error. Laws cannot be fulfilled. No matter how many times you obey or run a red light, the law is never fulfilled. Promises can be fulfilled. Dreams can be fulfilled. But not laws. Laws also can't be eaten or get married or be painted. That's what's meant by a category error.
What you can do with laws is write them, amend them, read them, learn them, rescind them, obey them, flout them, and the like, but not fulfill them.
So you see yourself as born of a spirit because you believe fantastic stories about resurrections and believe them, but not a Jew who doesn't share those beliefs? I like his "spirit" better. He's been humble, polite, and respectful to you.
Most of the world rejects those scriptures. They're the thoughts of ancient men trying to understand reality in the light of an assumed tri-omni deity that they are willing to speak for - 'God told me to tell you to obey these commandments.'
Why would an unbeliever reference scripture except in critical analysis of it? For example, this thread is about the seventh day of creation and the commandment to emulate a god that worked six days and took the weekend off, although it was only one day originally. And that's the rebuttal to the claim that the days of creation were not meant as literal days despite containing a morning and evening each. That's me referring to scripture, but not as authoritative. It has no meaning to me.
Why do you suppose that story appears in Genesis? There are hundreds of creatin myths, but this one is spread out over six days and followed by a day of rest. Odin didn't need six days or a day off. Neither did Tiamat. But Jehovah did. Why does just this one creation myth contain a timeline and an unflattering depiction of a slow, fatigable deity that should have needed no time or rest? Cui bono? Who benefits from a commandment forbidding work one day out of seven. And why do we have this seven day cycle? Isn't it obvious? Follow the money. Who needs you to take a day off away the flock or the crops (or in our case, the office) once a week? Don't forget your wallet.
This is where I find value in scripture. It's a historical record of ancient thought.
Now ask yourself why they included so unflattering a story as that flood myth, which depicts a deity that fails as an engineer, blames his creation for his own failures, cruelly drowns most terrestrial life, and then tries to correct the error using the same breeding stock. That's the description of a cruel, unimaginative, not too bright narcissist. Why put that in the book? There must be a compelling reason, and it shouldn't be too difficult to imagine what that might have been. I'll leave that one for you to solve. If you need a clue, try this link: Summit Limestone - Everest Education Expedition | Montana State University
As with all books, they are evidence of nothing except that somebody had those thoughts and put them in writing. Not a single word in it is known to be true because of those words. The way we tell the difference between myth (global flood) and history (reign of David) is through empiricism. We checked. The flood is wrong and David was real. You can't determine those things from written words, which as I said are evidence of almost nothing.
Why should they believe any holy books have anything to do with a deity?
You reminded me of a song:
"No reason to get excited," the thief he kindly spoke.
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate.
So let us stop talkin' falsely now. The hour's getting late."