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You clearly don't believe Jesus when he said that all the Commandments were just based on two: love of God and love of all. You're basically pretending to act like God in being so judgmental-- "Judge ye not...".Well that is not true ... As shown in the posts you ignored Kenny, Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 is a warning that says no one enters into Gods seventh day Sabbath rest or eternal rest (that is they are not saved) if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says.
Most do not include that nonsense.Some Protestant Bibles include the Apocrypha, and Luther included them in his first German translation.
I think it is more like you do not believe the words of Jesus in the very scripture you are only part quoting in Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus says in the verse you left out (Matthew 22:40) "On these two great commandments (of love to God and man) hang all the law and the prophets. Therefore, love is not separate from obeying Gods law. Love to God and man is expressed in obedience to Gods law. Obedience to Gods law through faith in Gods Word is how we show our love to God and man. It is not pretending to act like God by believing and obeying Gods Word. We are told to judge righteous judgement as expressed in what Gods Word says not unrighteous judgement that is not according to Gods Word. As you can see your own words testify against you.You clearly don't believe Jesus when he said that all the Commandments were just based on two: love of God and love of all. You're basically pretending to act like God in being so judgmental-- "Judge ye not...". So, maybe tell us when you actual decide to believe in Jesus, OK?
Even if you prefer a protestant Bible that does not contain the deuterocanonicals, you should try to be a little more respectful. The early church, which was largely Greek speaking, used the Septuagint. That was their ONLY Bible, as the NT had not yet been canonized. It included the Deuterocanonicals. That's your heritage.Most do not include that nonsense.
Did you ever read them? Don't say you did because there's basically nothing that does against Torah. This is your m.o.: spout off without evidence and not doing much studying nor thinking.Most do not include that nonsense.
You are repeatedly being judgmental and just spouting off and also judging others, thus this will be our last conversation.I think it is more like you do not believe the words of Jesus in the very scripture you are only part quoting in Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus says in the verse you left out (Matthew 22:40) "On these two great commandments (of love to God and man) hang all the law and the prophets. Therefore, love is not separate from obeying Gods law. Love to God and man is expressed in obedience to Gods law. Obedience to Gods law through faith in Gods Word is how we show our love to God and man. It is not pretending to act like God by believing and obeying Gods Word. We are told to judge righteous judgement as expressed in what Gods Word says not unrighteous judgement that is not according to Gods Word. As you can see your own words testify against you.
Take Care.
This is where your mistake is dear friend. I am not the one who judges you. According to Jesus in Matthew 12:47-48 it is the Words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day. As posted earlier according to Jesus we are to judge not according to the outward appearance, but we are to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24). Righteous judgement according to the scriptures is to make our judgements according to Gods Words and laws because Gods Word and law are the standards of truth and righteousness and the judgement to come (see Psalms 119:123; Psalms 119:172; Psalms 19:9; John 17:17; John 12:47-48). So according to Jesus, it is allowable to make judgements that are based on the truth of Gods Word which are the standard of what is true and right and what is not true and not right. So it is not being judgemental by sharing Gods righteous Words. If you feel judged then perhaps you need to consider that it is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you are Gods Words and they are spirit, and they are life and it is the Spirit of Gods Word the convicts of sin and of righteousness and of the judgement to come (see John 6:63; John 16:8; 1 Corinthians 6:2). Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. It become our judge come judgement day.You are repeatedly being judgmental and just spouting off and also judging others, thus this will be our last conversation.
Oh please. I watch you judge people in here all the time. Don't blame your judgmentalism on God.I am not the one who judges you.
Your response here...This is where your mistake is dear friend. I am not the one who judges you. According to Jesus in Matthew 12:47-48 it is the Words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day. As posted earlier according to Jesus we are to judge not according to the outward appearance, but we are to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24). Righteous judgement according to the scriptures is to make our judgements according to Gods Words and laws because Gods Word and law are the standards of truth and righteousness and the judgement to come (see Psalms 119:123; Psalms 119:172; Psalms 19:9; John 17:17; John 12:47-48). So according to Jesus, it is allowable to make judgements that are based on the truth of Gods Word which are the standard of what is true and right and what is not true and not right. So it is not being judgemental by sharing Gods righteous Words. If you feel judged then perhaps you need to consider that it is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you are Gods Words and they are spirit, and they are life and it is the Spirit of Gods Word the convicts of sin and of righteousness and of the judgement to come (see John 6:63; John 16:8; 1 Corinthians 6:2). Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. It become our judge come judgement day.
Your post is a good example of someone who is being judgemental and is a good example of what we are told not to do in Matthew 7:1-5 and again in Romans 2:1-6 . However as shown in the post you are quoting from it is not being judgemental by sharing scripture. Scripture is Gods Word and is righteous judgement.Oh please. I watch you judge people in here all the time. Don't blame your judgmentalism on God.
No one said that the first day of the week biblically is the same as Sunday as we know it today as the timing is different. In biblical time the night comes before the daylight (Genesis 1:5).
The OP is asking for scripture and there is no scripture that states anywhere in the bible that Sunday is "the Lords day". The only references to "the Lords day" in the bible is to Gods Sabbath day.
The context is to "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy". Six days you shall labor and do all your work BUT THE SEVENTH DAY... is not stating that we have to work 6 days a week it is stating that we have 6 other days to do our work the "BUT" is the reference point stating that of all the says of the week God calls us to "Remember the seventh day of the week to keep it Holy" Why? because Exodus 20:11 says For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy. God is quoting back to Genesis 2:1-3. You do err not knowing scriptures in order to teach lawlessness.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work BUT THE SEVENTH DAY... is not stating that we have to work 6 days a week it is stating that we have 6 other days to do our work
You do err not knowing scriptures in order to teach lawlessness.
MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)
Well that is simply being misleading and untruthful dear friend. Perhaps you have a misunderstanding, although I have already told you plainly what I believe. What I posted was the challenge of this OP is to prove that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. I simply mentioned Sunday because many believe that Sunday our time is "the Lords day" and that is why they go to Church on Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Jesus as we know it today or in bible time it is called the first day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead in Matthew 28:1. I never said that in biblical time the first day of the week is Sunday in bible time as we know it today although there is some overlap. I posted this to you many times now, already proving from the scriptures that bible time for a day, starts in the evening (sunset) and finishes the following evening or sunset from Genesis 1.Well, it was you who asked us to show that the Lord's day is "Sunday", remember?
Well that is not true again. I said prove that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. see above for bible times.You asked for scripture about "SUNDAY" when there is no "SUNDAY" in scripture. I pointed out that we don't celebrate the Lord's Day because it's "SUNDAY". We celebrate it because Jesus rose on the "FIRST" Day, which has been shown by scripture and church records going back to the first century.
Your not telling the truth dear friend and your comments only prove you did not even read the OP here or are deliberately not telling the truth. Which one is it? According to the scriptures the later (lying) is sin. The last paragraph of this OP is there for everyone to see and is locked for sometime now and says and states the following........ (Highlighted in red below from page one first post of this OP).Now I know you did say Sunday or first day. But the church has a specific reason for stating it was the first day, as the Ebionites were quick to hurl allegations that the church had become "apostate", because it had joined in celebrating the sun with the pagans. First day is supported in scripture. Sunday is not.
Please read the OP first before posting here dear friend. Bearing false witness against a brother is sin according to the scriptures. I say this because I have already corrected you on this and told you already what I believe but you are either ignoring my posts and not reading them like you did the OP or deliberately not being truthful. I will leave that between you and God. Receive Gods correction and be blessed.The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.
Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
For me your words here are unsupported in the scriptures. While it is true that every single one of us are sinners and in need of Gods grace and salvation and we are only saved by Gods grace through faith in what Gods Word says (Ephesians 2:8-9). Gods salvation is from sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods Word says (see 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23). If you are continuing to live your life in known unrepentant sin you are still lost in your sins and do not know God according to the scriptures here in 1 John 2:3-4; see also 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-4; Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31; compare Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14. Now of course we are not saved by what we do or the works of law but genuine saving faith is from the power of sin and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4) so the fruit of someone that has genuine saving faith is that they are obedient to Gods Word and laws. Someone that claims to know God according to the scriptures but does not do and obey what Gods Word says and breaks Gods law which is defined as sin according to 1 John 2:3-4 does not know God and the truth is not in them and are in danger of losing their salvation because they have the dead faith of devils *see James 2:13-26; Hebrews 10:26-31 and Matthew 7:21-23.But that's not my only point. The point is no one "keeps" the Sabbath. Many claim to, but they don't actually "keep" it, no more than anyone who claims to "keep" God rules, ordinances and commandments. If anyone did, there would be no need for Christ to have come. We could just keep the law and save ourselves. Break one, you lose. Keep them all, you win. As fallen creatures, we can only "keep" them for a short period of time. Certainly, no one "keeps" the Sabbath for one or two months, which is about how long one would have to "biblically" keep it if they just happened to live 50 degrees latitude or higher in our northern or southern hemispheres. In fact, they could possible have months long daylight Sabbaths in the summer, and months long Sabbath nights in the winter. By attempting to extend the JEWISH Sabbath to "all mankind", you would have God condemn a large segment of earth's population simply because of where they lived.
Sorry dear friend I am not confused at all because I am not the one who is seeking excuses to break Gods law. The scriptures do not teach anywhere that we are to work six days and rest any day in seven. According to Gods Sabbath commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11 in Exodus 20:10 in God (not me) specifically states "THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK" The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping) employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. The focus of Exodus 20:8-11 is that we have free to our work, six other days that we are free to do any type of work but the "seventh day is the Sabbath" of rest and no work is to be done. Breaking Gods Sabbath commandment just like anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4 compare with James 2:10-11) and if we continue practicing known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth of Gods Word we will be in danger of the judgement and can lose everlasting life (see Hebrews 10:26-31). Receive Gods correction and be blessed dear friend. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus the Words of God we choose to accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).Let's not forget about the work component. “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. SIX DAYS of work my friend. ONE day of rest. That's the command, no ifs, ands or "buts". But let's look at your "but"First, can you elaborate on these 6 "other" days? Where do these 6 other days come from if not from the 6 days immediately discussed by our biblical author??? How does "Six days you shall labor and do all your work" confuse you?
And I suppled you with the quote from Ignatius that the Lord's Day was NOT the sabbath.What I posted was the challenge of this OP is to prove that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week.
Why do you think some guys quote outside of scripture is important? Its not. Read the OP please. I am after scripture. The OP was written because I know that there is none and that is what makes this interesting. We have all been taught lies at Sunday school.And I suppled you with the quote from Ignatius that the Lord's Day was NOT the sabbath.
Because, obviously, the Bible does not tell you which day the Lord's Day is, but other Christian writings do.Why do you think some guys quote outside of scripture is important? Its not. Read the OP please. I am after scripture. The OP was written because I know that there is none and that is what makes this interesting. We have all been taught lies at Sunday school.
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Well that is not true at all. The bible does tell us what day the Lord's day is. Yet it is your post that is looking outside of the scriptures to teachings and traditions of men leading us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God because there is no scripture to support Sunday or the first day of the week as the Lord's day and, comes under Matthew 15:3-9 and is not relevant to this OP. As already proven in the scriptures including the Torah and in the Greek meaning of the scriptures used in Revelation 1:10 the Greek words κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ (the Lord's day) means the day that the Lord' claims ownership over and includes both in authority and ownership. In scripture this is clearly demonstrated in the Torah and directly in the New testament scriptures.Because, obviously, the Bible does not tell you which day the Lord's Day is, but other Christian writings do.
I want to zoom in on your statement here:
Six days you shall labor and do all your work BUT THE SEVENTH DAY... is not stating that we have to work 6 days a week it is stating that we have 6 other days to do our work
First, can you elaborate on these 6 "other" days? Where do these 6 other days come from if not from the 6 days immediately discussed by our biblical author???
And I suppled you with the quote from Ignatius that the Lord's Day was NOT the sabbath.
Why do you think some guys quote outside of scripture is important? Its not.
Well that is not true. Perhaps you did not like the answers provided. Again as posted earlier but simply ignored, the scriptures do not teach anywhere that we are to work six days and rest any day in seven. According to Gods Sabbath commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11 in Exodus 20:10 in God (not me) specifically states "THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK" The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping) employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning. The focus of Exodus 20:8-11 is that we have free to doing our own work, six other days but the "seventh day is Gods Sabbath day" of rest and no work is to be done in. Breaking Gods Sabbath commandment just like anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4 compare with James 2:10-11) and if we continue practicing known unrepentant sin after we receive a knowledge of the truth of Gods Word we will be in danger of the judgement and can lose everlasting life (see Hebrews 10:26-31). Receive Gods correction and be blessed dear friend. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus the Words of God we choose to accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48). As for me I do my own work and please on the other six days of the week but sunset Friday (our time) to sunset Saturday is Gods Sabbath and one of Gods 10 commandments we are to remember and do no work on. Breaking it like anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures in James 2:10-11; compare 1 John 3:4).I am still trying to find where these "...6 other days to do our work" come from. They were not addressed in your response.
I have made no assertions accept to provide scripture in disagreement with your teachings of lawlessness. They are Gods Words not mine. For me though according to the scriptures only Gods Words are true (Romans 3:4) and we should believe and follow them *see John 3:36; Acts 5:29; John 10:26-27;I have come to some tentative conclusions regarding your assertions, which may or may not be correct, based on what you've told us so far. I would much rather have you clarify a few things
No not at all. Only pointing out what you choose to close your eyes and ears to seeking to justify breaking Gods Sabbath commandment which is sin according to the scriptures (1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11). As posted earlier, according to Gods Sabbath commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11 in Exodus 20:10 in God (not me) specifically states "THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK" The Hebrew word for work here is מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | H4399) and it means all business (buying and selling, shopping) employment, occupation, domestic work including cooking and cleaning.SABBATH COMMANDMENT (Correct)
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God …Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy
SABBATH COMMANDMENT (Incorrect)
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, butthe seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God …Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy
Are we reading this command correctly?
I keep all of Gods Sabbath commandment not part of it. See last post. Whats your excuse in breaking it?I want to be sure that we are all on the same page and reading the same command correctly. From my perspective, it appears you may be reading it incorrectly, as shown above. I get the distinct impression that while you keep part of the command, you don't quite keep all of it, and nothing in your prior responses leads me to believe otherwise.
Already did above as outlined in the scriptures (this is repetition)Of course, I could be mistaken. If so, please tell us how your church doesn't drop a section from the Sabbath commandment and explain how members keep (or get to ignore) a six day labor requirement. Also, not only how they refuse to work on the Sabbath, but how they just as adamantly refuse to rest on non-Sabbath days.
Actually that is not true at all as proven in the OP here where only scripture and the Greek meaning of Revelation 1:10 was provided. Sorry but the person quoting outside of the scriptures is you who is seeking to make excuses not to believe Gods Word and break Gods commandments which is defined as sin in the scriptures (see 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11).You are that guy quoting outside of scripture.