"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Soapy]

I’d say that Spanish (Latin) speaking people know the sabbath to refer to Saturdays.

Humbly
Hermit

There is no longer any special day (SABBATH) for worship.

Jesus said that ’Worship’ was no longer to be on the mountain (as Samaritans did) nor in the temple (as Jews did) BUT RATHER, in the hearts and minds of a person: a PERSONAL SABBATH (in effect).

However, that does not mean there cannot BE a time set aside for CORPORATE worship seeing that Jesus also established a Church (Congregation of like minded souls) and said to come together ‘WHENEVER’!!!

So, your personal SABBATH can be any day OR TIME that you choose “To worship God’, as long as it is in private (In Spirit) and carried out in Jesus’ name (In Truth).

Corporate worship contains a lot of repeated, repetitive, same, unconscious…’worship’ activities, E.g. reciting the ‘Lord’s Prayer’.. is verbatim, and not personal.

Corporate worship does allow for brotherhood and solidarity, exchange of ideas, strengthen in glory or sadness, funerals, christenings, weddings, etc.

But strictly, Sabbath is now a personal event to each individual.

 

[3rdAngel]

Absolutely. You will notice these people RESPECTED THE TEMPLE AND THE LAW OF MOSES. Until there was no more temple and no more Sabbath. In fact ALL religious observances were banned in the Roman empire after this for a long time - Sabbath, Yom Kippur etc. - all banned.
And this is another reason why Christians treated the first day of the week as their Sabbath - not just the practices of the Apostles.

And 'first day of the week' was clearly significant and symbolic to these people. We don't know what the fellowship meals were about, but there had a special day otherwise no day was special. And Sunday was that day. We aren't told it was a 'day of rest' but that would have come about when the Romans banned Sabbath rest - and Christians were just another Jewish group.

According to the scriptures, Gods' 4th commandment seventh day weekly creation Sabbath has nothing to do with the temple and Yom Kippur is not the the same Sabbath as Gods 4th commandment linked to the seventh day of the creation week and the 10 commandments. Yom Kippur is one of the ceremonial sabbaths of the annual Feast days that can fall on any day of the week linked directly into the feats days and is an annual or yearly event. You may want to consider that there is not a single scripture in all the bible that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments have now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes you did. Denying your error does not help you. In fact you repeated it again.
I would suggest that you go back and try to answer the question that I asked of you.

I asked you who was making negative claims. You never answered that. You also have a false accusation in this post of yours.

Sorry dear friend I do not believe you. This is repetition already responded to here linked. Please stop making things up that are not truthful. Lets have friendly discussion please.

 

[3rdAngel]

But it's possible to know a few facts. Unless of course you're looking for something that doesn't exist in reality, only as an idea in a mind, in which case you're no longer in the realm of facts. If the experience is purely mental, then that defines the experience ─ it's not in that realm of facts.

It is indeed possible to know a few facts. For example not too long ago no one understood gravity because they did not know what it was and could not see it the same with cosmic radiation, electricity or sound waves. Now these have always existed it was just that we had never seen them or knew about them in the past so did not think they existed. Just because you cannot see something does not mean it does not exist and just because you cannot see something does not mean there not in the realm of facts if you know they exist.

And it's clear there's no objective test that will tell me ─ or anyone else ─ whether any particular passage in a sacred writing or elsewhere, is god-breathed or not. All such claims are simply opinions. Again, facts aren't involved.

You seem to be changing your argument now. Before your argument was that the gospel writers and the Apostles did not believe that Jesus was God. You were provided scripture in the last post proving differently. Anyhow, that does not really matter because your coming from a place of unbelief so there is nothing anyone can share with you to make you change your mind. That said according to the scriptures none of us can never know or find God if we walk the path of sin and unbelief and not consider the question "what if" God is real? You will can never know what the apple tastes like until you bite into it. You have been provided a definition of the scriptures in 2 Timothy 3:16. You have seen the testimony of the prophets, Apostles and gospel writers that Jesus is God making the new testament God breathed scriptures. What you choose to believe is up to you but then there is the burning question, "What if your wrong.

Take Care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry dear friend I do not believe you. This is repetition already responded to here linked. Please stop making things up that are not truthful. Lets have friendly discussion please.

Linking to an argument that you lost does not help you.

 

[3rdAngel]

Linking to an argument that you lost does not help you.

I did not lose it you did which is why I linked it

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is indeed possible to know a few facts. For example not too long ago no one understood gravity because they did not know what it was and could not see it the same with cosmic radiation, electricity or sound waves. Now these have always existed it was just that we had never seen them or knew about them in the past so did not think they existed. Just because you cannot see something does not mean it does not exist and just because you cannot see something does not mean there not in the realm of facts if you know they exist.

Correct, we had to use other senses than sight to know how gravity worked. Do you know how it was done? By observing and testing the effects of gravity. How would you properly test your beliefs? What reasonable test could show you to be wrong?

 

[3rdAngel]

Correct, we had to use other senses than sight to know how gravity worked. Do you know how it was done? By observing and testing the effects of gravity. How would you properly test your beliefs? What reasonable test could show you to be wrong?

I think you missed the point of what was being posted. There are things we can observe and other things we cannot observe. There are things we can test for and other things we cannot test for. If you believe I am wrong that is something you would need to prove. - You haven't. Your last question therefore is presumptuous.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did not lose it you did which is why I linked it

No, every time you link it you only confirm your loss. And nowhere in that argument did I claim that I could refute God. Your error was to think that because I said that I could refute your personal version of God that meant that I claimed that I could refute all versions. I never said or implied that.

Will you understand your error this time? Probably not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think you missed the point of what was being posted. There are things we can observe and other things we cannot observe. There are things we can test for and other things we cannot test for. If you believe I am wrong that is something you would need to prove. - You haven't

We can test for things that are real. I do not know of anything that is real that we cannot test.

What real things can't be tested?

 

[3rdAngel]

No, every time you link it you only confirm your loss. And nowhere in that argument did I claim that I could refute God. Your error was to think that because I said that I could refute your personal version of God that meant that I claimed that I could refute all versions. I never said or implied that.

Will you understand your error this time? Probably not.

Sorry I do not believe you. The evidence is in the links for all to see that what you have been claiming is simply not true. So best to let others decide so we will agree to disagree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry I do not believe you. The evidence is in the links for all to see that what you have been claiming is simply not true. So best to let others decide so we will agree to disagree.

And I told you how to see if I argue the same way in the past. You did not follow that advice. By doing so you are in effect admitting defeat.

I do appreciate the free rent in your head.

 

[rational experiences]

To theory where is earths day one?

A human who doesn't even exist claims when sun mass attacked earth set it's gases alight.

First light.

First light anywhere is reactive in mass and involved in destructive changes.

So how long does it become calm by counting?

Science says oh lots of zeros later...cooling.

Hence no origin day had anything to do with any human thought.

You live on a planet that rotates. 12 hours light 12 hours clear dark.

Number use.

You want to say 1. Yet light says 12 a day.

Therefore counting is 24 of light to claim a day...days end then a new day.

Isn't 2.

As a day isn't a day until it ends.

Hence you have to be present experiencing counting.

We counted only in civilisations purpose. To keep records. To live by orders.

Human king's with lords were to live like king's held the order imposed the order. Technology was an order of men to own manipulate change gods creation theirselves. To inherit it. In science and technology.

Seemingly ignored humans live inside the heavens. Our life is recorded as the past. Reincarnation a term I remember my human past.

As light is always light.
Clear dark is always clear dark.

The only hierarchial variant in science is earth rock mass the planet was first. No counting.

Heavens body evolved...no counting.

Reason both formed in spatial void vacuum zero.

Humanity forgets we use human memory in our heavens to depict past human behaviours choices and outcomes.

It was only ever discussing humans as human in human choices. A humans testimony I changed God in science. I inherited God types as science.

 

[3rdAngel]

And I told you how to see if I argue the same way in the past. You did not follow that advice. By doing so you are in effect admitting defeat.I do appreciate the free rent in your head.

To be honest I do not know you and neither do I have time to chase you all around the web to try and find out what you believe. I have only been going on our discussions here in this thread. I do not think that there is any need to be unkind in our replies here to each other. For me when someone starts with personal attacks its only a sign they are not able to respond to the content in the posts shared with them. I am not interested in playing that game. If you want to have a friendly discussion lets talk if not its probably best we agree to disagree and move on.

 

[3rdAngel]

We can test for things that are real. I do not know of anything that is real that we cannot test. What real things can't be tested?

Too many things...

1. Saturn is real but no one knows why Saturn's north pole has a swirling, hexagon-shaped storm and - we cannot test for it
2. Humpback whales have gone from being solitary creatures to living in "super-groups", a shift marine biologists are still trying to work out and - we cannot test for it.
3. Dark matter is like regular matter and we do not know much about it because - we cannot test for it
4. Biologist know how cats purr but they do not know why they do and we cannot test for is.
5. In Astronomy they receive hundreds of unintelligible signals and they do not know what they are and they - cannot test for it
6. Biologist do not understand why we dream and - we cannot test for it
7. Biologists to no know if animals can dream and - we cannot test for it
8. Biologists do not know how to cure cancer and how cancer is triggered
9. Biologist do not know where consciousness comes from and - we cannot test for it
10. Biologists do not know how life started and - we cannot test for it
11. Scientists do not know if the universe is truly infinite and - we cannot test for it...

..........

Look to be honest this list is infinite... Point made.

(Science alert)

 

[Subduction Zone]

To be honest I do not know you. I have only been going on our discussions here in this thread. I do not think that there is any need to be unkind in our replies here to each other. For me when someone starts with personal attacks its only a sign they are not able to respond to the content in the posts shared with them. I am not interested in playing that game. If you want to have a friendly discussion lets talk if not its probably best we agree to disagree and move on.

You have been exceedingly rude. What personal attacks did I make?

I think as usual you have everything backwards.

 

[3rdAngel]

You have been exceedingly rude. What personal attacks did I make?
I think as usual you have everything backwards.

I am sorry but I do not believe you. I will let others view our conversation and discussion and decide for themselves. You take care now

 

[Subduction Zone]

Too many things...

1. Saturn is real but no one knows why Saturn's north pole has a swirling, hexagon-shaped storm and - we cannot test for it
2. Humpback whales have gone from being solitary creatures to living in "super-groups", a shift marine biologists are still trying to work out and - we cannot test for it.
3. Dark matter is like regular matter and we do not know much about it because - we cannot test for it
4. Biologist know how cats purr but they do not know why they do and we cannot test for is.
5. In Astronomy they receive hundreds of unintelligible signals and they do not know what they are and they - cannot test for it
6. Biologist do not understand why we dream and - we cannot test for it
7. Biologists to no know if animals can dream and - we cannot test for it
8. Biologists do not know how to cure cancer and how cancer is triggered
9. Biologist do not know where consciousness comes from and - we cannot test for it
10. Biologists do not know how life started and - we cannot test for it
11. Scientists do not know if the universe is truly infinite and - we cannot test for it...

..........

Look to be honest this list is infinite... Point made.

Really? Please justify those claims. You made no point. All you have are unsupported claims.

 

[3rdAngel]

Really? Please justify those claims. You made no point. All you have are unsupported claims.

Please follow the conversation you asked what is real that we cannot test for?

Subduction Zone said: ↑ What real things can't be tested?

You were provided an example list above of a few things

 

[Subduction Zone]

I will let others view our conversation and decide for themselves. You take care now

Be careful. You are probably past the point of trolling.

Do you realize that false politeness is actually very rude?