"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Soapy]

Hello Soapy, The Hebrew and Greek noun of H7676 and G4521 shabbath of Gods 4th commandment does not mean rest. It is a noun that is descriptive or a name applied to "the seventh day of the week". The word that it comes from though is שָׁבַת (shâbath | H7673) shabath (note one b instead of 2 between H7676 and H7673). This is from Genesis 2:1-3 and means rest and is a action verb. So we keep the Sabbath by resting on the "seventh day" of the week while the name of the "seventh day" of God's weekly creation is simply called "the Sabbath" which is the noun of what we are to rest on.

Here is the Hebrew, Greek and scriptural meanings of the Sabbath here for your interest.

HEBREW DICTIONARY

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7676
שַׁבָּת (shabbâth | shab-bawth')
Derivation: intensive from שָׁבַת;
Strong's: intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath
KJV: ([phrase] every) sabbath.
Cognate Group: H7673 (cease), H7676 (sabbath), H7678 (Shabbethai), H4868 (sabbath), H7674 (cease), H7677 (rest)

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged - H7676
H7676. shabbath
שַׁבָּת111 noun feminineEx 31:41+ and masculineIsa 66:2, 6 (under influence of יוֺם in frequent הַשּׁ ׳יוֺם, AlbrZAW xvi (1896), 47) sabbath ( = ת + שׁבת; Late Hebrew שַׁבָּת, Aramaic שַׁבְּתָא, ; perhaps Assyrian šabattum (||um nu— libbi, day of rest of heart (i.e. propitiation) [of deity]: only in lexical Tablets); compare LotzQuaest. de hist. Sabbati, 1883 JenZA iv (1889), 274 ff. (doubts connection of Assyrian word with Hebrew Sabbath) IdS. S. Times, Jan. 16, 1892, 35 f. Muss-ArnJBL xi (1892), 93 SchwIdioticon 127; see (more recently) JastrAmos. J. Theol. ii (1898), 332 ff. ToyTBL xviii (1899), 190 ff. DrHast. DB SABBATH (1902) ZimKAT 3. 592 ff.; ZMG 1904, 199 ff. [15th day of month so called]458ff.); — absolute ׳שׁ Exod 16:25 64t.; construct שַׁבַּת 16:23 10t.; suffix שַׁבַּתּוֺ Num 28:10 3t. suffix; plural שַׁבָּתוֺת Lev 23:15 7t.; construct שַׁבְּתתֹ 23:38; 25:3, 8; suffix שַׁבְּתוֺתַי Isa 56:4 +, etc.; —
1 sabbath:
a. primitive ׳שׁ ליהוה Exod 16:25 (J), 20:10 = Deut 5:14 (ten words) Lev 23:3 (P); ׳הַשּׁ Exod 16:29 (J); שׁ ׳הַשְּׁבִיעִי בַּיוֺם 16:26 (J); on seventh day הַשַּׁבָּת יוֺם 20:8, 11 = Deut 5:12, 15 (ten words), so throughout; Exod 31:15 3t. P, Jer 17:21; Ezek 46:4; Neh 10:32 9t., + (|| new moon) Isa 1:13; Ezek 46:1; 2Kin 4:23; Amos 8:5, compare Isa 66:23 (twice in verse), also חג and מועד Hosea 2:13; time of change of watch in temple 2Kin 11:5, 7, 9 (twice in verse) = 2Chr 23:4, 8 (twice in verse); ׳הַשּׁ מיסך (in temple) 2Kin 16:18; originally observed simply by abstinence from labour Exod 20:9-10, = Deut 5:12-14; Exod 23:12 (E), 34:21 (J; BrHex. 181-195).
b. Deuteronomic reason for day is deliverance from Egypt Deut 5:15, hence its consecration, לְקַדְּשׁוֺ 5:12 = Exod 20:8; השׁ יום ׳קדּשׁ Jer 17:22, 24, 27 (especially no load carried), Ezek 20:20; 44:24.
c. intensified by anith. שׁ ׳חלּל Ezek 20:13 5t. Ezekiel; compare Neh 13:18. Phrases in H: (ה)שׁ ׳שׁמר Lev 19:3, 10; 26:2, then P Exod 31:13-14, 16; compare Isa 56:2, 4, 6; י ׳קדושׁ קָדְשִׁי, יוֺם: 58:13 (twice in verse) (with כבּד). H also שַׁבְּתֹתֵיכֶם Lev 26:35; הַשּׁ ׳מִמָּחֳרַת 23:11, 15, 16; שַׁבְּתוֺתַי 19:3, 30; 26:2; Isa 56:4; Ezek 20:12; 22:26, +8 t. Ezekiel; || מוֺעֵד Lam 2:6.
d. P gives as basis God's resting Exod 20:11; 31:17; י ׳שׁבתות Lev 23:38; ליהוה ׳שׁ קדשׁ Exod 16:23, compare Neh 9:14, ׳שׁ שׁבתון Exod 31:15; 35:2; Lev 23:3; השׁ ׳עשׂה Exod 31:16, שׁ ׳עֹלַת בְּשַׁבַּתּוֺ Num 28:10, compare Isa 66:23; הַשּׁ ׳בְּיוֺם הַשּׁ ׳בְּיוֺם Lev 24:8 on every sabbath, abbreviation שַׁבָּת שַׁבַּת 1Chr 9:32; לַשַּׁבָּתוֺת || חֳדָשִׁים + מועדים 23:31 3t. Chronicles, Neh 10:34 (ל omitted by error); work punished by stoning Num 15:32, 36; trade prohibited Neh 10:32; 13:15-21.
2 day of atonement is a שַׁבָּתוֺן שַׁבַּת Lev 16:31; 23:32 (P), compare שַׁבָּת שָׁבַת 23:32 (P).
3 sabbath year, שַׁבָּתוֺן שַׁבַּת Lev 25:4 (H); ליהוה שַׁבָּת 25:2; 25:4 (H), (הארץׅ רצה שַׁבְּתוֺתֶיהָ 26:34 (twice in verse); 26:43 (H), 2Chr 36:21.
4 = week(?): שַׁבָּתוֺת שֶׁבַע Lev 23:15 (H), seven sabbaths or weeks; (ה)שָּׁנִים שַׁבְּתתֹ שֶׁבַע 25:8; Lev 28:8 (H) seven sabbaths or weeks (of years), uncertain (see Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 18:12; Matt 28:1, compare Jewish-Aramaic usage); possibly שַׁבָּת Isa 66:23 = week (Du).
5 הָאָ֫רֶץ שַׁבַּת Lev 25:6 (H) = produce in sabbath year (growing of itself).

GREEK DICTIONARY

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4521
σάββατον (sábbaton | sab'-bat-on)
Derivation: of Hebrew origin (H7676);
Strong's: the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications
KJV: —sabbath (day), week.
See: H7676
Cognate Group: G4521 (sabbath), G4520 (rest)
Variants: σάββατον
Hebrew Equivalents: שַׁבָּת, שַׁבָּתֹון

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Thayer - G4521
G4521 — σάββατον
σαββάτου, τό (Hebrew שַׁבָּת), found in the N. T. only in the historical books except twice in Paul's Epistles; sabbath; i. e.:
1. the seventh day of each week, which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work (Exod 20:10; 31:13; Deut 5:14);
a. singular σάββατον and τό σάββατον: Mark 6:2; (16:1; John 5:9f, etc.; equivalent to the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week: Matt 12:8; Mark 2:27; Luke 6:5; λύειν, John 5:18; τηρεῖν, 9:16; ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ σαββάτου (הַשַּׁבָּת יום, Exod 20:8 and often), the day of the sabbath, sabbath-day, Luke 13:16; 14:5; ὁδός σαββάτου, a sabbath-day's journey, the distance it is lawful to travel on the sabbath-day, i. e. according to the Talmud two thousand cubits or paces, according to Epiphanius (haer. 66, 82) six stadia: Acts 1:12, cf. Matt 24:20 (the regulation was derived from Exod 16:29); cf. Winers RWB, under the word Sabbathsweg; Oehler in Herzog xiii., 203f (cf. Leyrer in Herzog edition 2 vol. 9:379); Mangold in Sehenkel v., 127f; (Ginsburg in Alexander's Kitto under the word Sabbath Day's Journey; Lumby on Acts 1:12 (in Cambr. Bible for Schools)). as dative of time (Winers Grammar, § 31, 9 b.; Buttmann, § 133, 26): σαββάτῳ, Matt 24:20 (G L T Tr WH); Luke 14:1; τῷ σαββάτῳ, 6:9 L text T Tr WH; 13:14; 14:3; Acts 13:44; ἐν σαββάτῳ, Matt 12:2; John 5:16; 7:22 (here L WH brackets ἐν),23; ἐν τῷ σαββάτῳ, Luke 6:7; John 19:31, accusative τό σάββατον during (on) the sabbath (cf. Buttmann, § 131, 11; Winer's Grammar, § 32,6): Luke 23:56; κατά πᾶν σάββατον every sabbath, Acts 13:27; 15:21; 18:4. plural τά σάββατα, of several sabbaths, 17:2 (some refer this to 2).
b. plural, τά σαββάτων (for the singular) of a single sabbath, sabbath-day (the use of the plural being occasioned either by the plural names of festivals, as τά ἐγκαίνια, ἄζυμα, γενέσια, or by the Chaldaic form שַׁבָּתָא (Winers Grammar, 177 (167); Buttmann, 23 (21))): Matt 28:1; Col 2:16 (Exod 20:10; Lev 23:32 etc.; τήν ἑβδόμην σάββατα καλουμεν, Josephus, Antiquities 3, 6, 6; add, 1, 1, 1; (14, 10, 25; Philo de Abrah. § 5; de cherub. § 26; Plutarch, de superstitione 8); τήν τῶν σαββάτων ἑορτήν, Plutarch, symp. 4, 6, 2; hodie tricesima sabbata, Horace sat. 1, 9, 69; nowhere so used by John except in the phrase μία τῶν σαββάτων, on which see 2 below); ἡ ἡμέρα τῶν σαββάτων, Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14; 16:13 (Exod 20:8; 35:3; Deut 5:12; Jer 17:21f); τοῖς σάββασιν and ἐν τοῖς σάββασιν (so constantly (except Lachmann in Matt 12:1, 12:12) by metaplasm for σαββάτοις, cf. Winers Grammar, 63 (62); (Buttmann, 23 (21))) on the sabbath-day: 12:1(see above),5, 10-12 (see above); Mark 1:21; 2:23; 3:2, 3:4; Luke 4:31; 6:9 (R G L marginal reading) (1 Macc. 2:38; the Sept. uses the form σαββάτοις, and Josephus both forms). On the precepts of the Jews with regard to the observance of the sabbath, which were for the most part extremely punctilious and minute, cf. Winers RWB, under the word Sabbath; Oehler in Herzog xiii. 192ff (revised by Orelli in edition 2 vol. xiii. 156ff); Schürer, Zeitgesch. 2te Aufl. § 28 II.; Mangold in Schenkel see, .
As shown above the creation Sabbath of Genesis 2:1-3 and Gods' commandment in Exodus 20:10 and the scripture definition to the creation Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-10 is the "seventh day of the week". The instructions on how to keep the "seventh day" that God blessed and made holy are given in Gods' 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-10. As shown above the Hebrew and Greek noun of H7676 and G4521 shabbath of Gods 4th commandment does not mean rest. It is a noun that is descriptive or a name applied to "the seventh day of the week". The word that it comes from though is שָׁבַת (shâbath | H7673) shabath (note one b instead of 2 between H7676 and H7673). This is from Genesis 2:1-3 and means rest and is an action verb. So we keep the Sabbath by resting on the "seventh day" of the week while the name of the "seventh day" of God's weekly creation is simply called "the Sabbath" which is the noun of what we are to rest on.

As posted earlier, there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath. According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind at creation (see Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27)

I say you are not fully correct here. You are referring to the JEWISH SABBATH. The romans had they’d own day of rest and worship of their sun God, Sol. Therefore it is perfectly valid to use the word ‘Sabbath’ for ANY DAY classed as a day of rest and worship but obviously such a day of rest and worship may not be THE SEVENTH DAY designated by God to the Jews:

• “Shabbat is the Jewish Day of Rest. Shabbat happens each week from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. During Shabbat, Jewish people remember the story of creation from the Torah where God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day.” (A Family's Shabbat - The Jewish Museum London)

Sunday worship is not Gods' Sabbath according to the scriptures

That wasn’t the point I was making and you know it. I said it was the ROMAN day of rest - the ROMAN SABBATH.

God has a people that have kept His Sabbath all through time to Jesus and the Apostles and all the disciples after the death and resurrection of Jesus unbroken to this very present day who still keep it as a holy day of rest according to the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). The Jews continue keeping God's 4th commandment as do many Christians groups throughout the world (e.g. SDA.s, Seventh day Baptists, Messianic Christians and many others).

Hope this was helpful.

And just because they keep the Jewish Sabbath you think these are PEOPLE OF GOD?

Do you not heed the word of God by Isaiah which says:

• ‘’Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.“ (Matthew 15:6-8)

 

[3rdAngel]

I say you are not fully correct here. You are referring to the JEWISH SABBATH. The romans had they’d own day of rest and worship of their sun God, Sol. Therefore it is perfectly valid to use the word ‘Sabbath’ for ANY DAY classed as a day of rest and worship but obviously such a day of rest and worship may not be THE SEVENTH DAY designated by God to the Jews:

• “Shabbat is the Jewish Day of Rest. Shabbat happens each week from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. During Shabbat, Jewish people remember the story of creation from the Torah where God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day.” (A Family's Shabbat - The Jewish Museum London)

That wasn’t the point I was making and you know it. I said it was the ROMAN day of rest - the ROMAN SABBATH.

And just because they keep the Jewish Sabbath you think these are PEOPLE OF GOD?

Do you not heed the word of God by Isaiah which says:

• ‘’Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.“ (Matthew 15:6-8)

As posted earlier according to the scriptures there is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew when God created the Sabbath for mankind, only Adam and Eve who were created on the sixth day of the creation week (see Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:1-3). The rest of your post is not relevant to the post you were quoting from in post # 1869 linked. Why? The linked post shows that; (1) the Hebrew word meaning of Sabbath meaning every seventh day of the week; (2) the Greek word meaning meaning every seventh day of the week; (3). the scripture definition of Sabbath (Exodus 20:10) that defines the Sabbath as every seventh day of the week; (4) the origin of Sabbath rest (verb) that is "the seventh day of the creation week". All of the above are scripture proving your claim to a Roman Sabbath is not biblical and false. You are following tradition and your words are not Gods' Word. Matthew 15:3-9 is a warning from Jesus not to follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God just like Sunday worship.

Take Care.

 

[101G]

Rest from work, which is what is commanded, is by definition a physical thing you do. The commandment is very clear on this.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work

If you are not doing that, then you are not keeping the sabbath.

GINOLJC, to all.

that's under the Old Covenant

Matthew 12:9 "And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:" Matthew 12:10 "And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him." Matthew 12:11 "And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?" Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days." Matthew 12:13 "Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other."Matthew 12:14 "Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him."

so, 101G asks, is it lawful to "DO"/Work on the sabbath? see above.

101G.

 

[101G]

Your response here..

Not really 101G it is all about what the scripture say and teach and the scriptures in Romans 14 are talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other day. It is not talking about the Sabbath anywhere in the chapter so you have to read that into the bible.

Your response here...

No, not at all. When Jesus died it was the beginning of the new covenant. The Apostles and the early Church continued to obey all of Gods' 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment "seventh day Sabbath" according to Gods' Word. God has always had a people that have kept His commandments including His 4th commandment as a holy day of rest to this very present day. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says that Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. We have all been taught lies at Sunday school by the same people that gave us Christmas, Santa Clause, Easter and the Easter bunny.

Your response here...

No one is holy by being disobedient to God and disobeying His Word.

Your response here...

As posted earlier what your proposing is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a replacement for keeping God's 4th commandment as a holy day of rest. Breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments according to the scriptures is sin in the new covenant *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7

Your response here...

As posted earlier what you are saying is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition passed down by the early Roman Church from Constantine to mainstream Christianity.

Take Care.

see my above post.

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

This, from you, is so funny:

• “As the scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the God of creation and that Jesus was at creation with God and was God ”

You are saying that:

1. Jesus created all things…
2. Jesus was with God who created all things…
3. Jesus was God…

And you don’t see that there is no sense in all that?

No, 3rdAngel, there are two uses of the word ‘God in John 1:1…

1. Most glorious; most powerful; most majestic; ruling entity
2. The title of the deity of the Jews (in fact, the title of all ruling spirit deities in almost all religious beliefs)

“In the beginning was the word [the (utterance of [(2) the deity of the jews]
And that word was [in view of the deity of the jews]
And that utterance was (1) an almighty, a majestic, a glorious, … utterance”

The ruling deity of the Jews, the only true God, spike the almighty word that started creation:

• ‘Let there be light’ (and more) - and it was so since the ruling word cannot be denied

Furthermore, after the fall of man, the deity of the Jews spoke saying that in time to come deliverance of mankind would come by means of ‘The Seed of a Woman’… and so, also, in time, the utterance of the deity of the Jews, the one true God, came true (put on flesh: putting flesh on the bones of his prophesy!)

A child was born (miraculously by the spirit of God, through a virgin girl) who was therefore not of the seed of Adam but by means of the spirit of God, the spirit of God that was used to blow breath into the lifeless body of the very first man in creation, Adam.
The CREATION of a human Being by means of the spirit of God means absolutely that such a creation is HOLY, SINLESS, and RIGHTEOUS.

So, “God’s word” (the utterance of the deity of the Jews) is an almighty undefinable word - it is ‘God of all utterances’.

So, the man, Jesus, is not ‘The Word’ (a title) but ‘the utterance’ of God. He is the saviour that God spoke of in the beginning.

My point in pursuing this with you, 3rdAngel, is to test your cognitive abilities, since you were so adamantly disagreeing with what scriptures says.

No, I said no such thing. The scriptures did and your simply trying to explain them away in your post here. It is best to let the scriptures speak for themselves...

John states that Jesus is the God of creation here...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

Note above. John 1:1-4; 14 is calling Jesus the Word of God that was at creation and in the beginning with God who created all things and became flesh. That is the opposite of what you are saying. John makes it very clear what he is talking about Jesus being God again here...

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

The Apostles Thomas also believed Jesus was God here...

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

As does the writer of Hebrews quoting God here who also says Jesus is the God of creation here...

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS;3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

Peter knew Jesus was God and states so here...

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Paul also shows his belief that Jesus is God here...

• TITUS 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD

The Jews continued to seek to kill Jesus because he they claimed Jesus was claiming himself to be God here...

• JOHN 10:30-33 30 I and the father are one. 31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”

The Angel even calls Jesus God here..

• LUKE 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD”

……….

As shown above there is many scriptures from the Apostles all stating that Jesus is God. The Apostles believed that Jesus was the God of creation.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

see my above post. 101G.

See post # 1885 linked

 

[3rdAngel]

What is the name of the ‘Day of the week’ classed as ‘the Sabbath Day’?

EXODUS 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God..

 

[101G]

It is best to let the scriptures speak for themselves...

John states that Jesus is the God of creation here...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE.

question, is this Jesus the Ordinal First, or Jesus the Ordinal Last here at John 1:1-3? 101G say this is Jesus the Ordinal Last here at John 1:1-3.

here's why 101G say this. if Jesus the Son is the CREATOR of All things why didn't he create man male and female? is he Jesus the Son is the CREATOR of all Things.

101G say no, not as Son, and here's my proof. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

the "he" here is God, a single person, supported by what our brother Mark reordered in the same conversation. see Mark 10:6.

now listen to 101G's language. the Lord Jesus as "Son", the Ordinal LAST, made NOTHING, but Jesus did....... did you understand 101G speech?

101G.

101G.

 

[101G]

See post # 1885 linked

AND?

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

question, is this Jesus the Ordinal First, or Jesus the Ordinal Last here at John 1:1-3? 101G say this is Jesus the Ordinal Last here at John 1:1-3.

here's why 101G say this. if Jesus the Son is the CREATOR of All things why didn't he create man male and female? is he Jesus the Son is the CREATOR od all Things.

101G say no, not as Son, and here's my proof. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

the "he" here is God, a single person, supported by what our brother Mark reordered in the same conversation. see Mark 10:6.

now listen to 101G's language. the Lord Jesus as "Son", the Ordinal LAST, made NOTHING, but Jesus did....... did you understand 101G speech?

You do know your arguing with scripture that says Jesus is the God of creation from post # 1905 linked right? The answer to your question has already been provided to you in the scriptures in the post you are quoting from but not responding to. Here are some more scriptures for you to consider here..

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

• GENESIS 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

• GENESIS 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other

• ISAIAH 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

• COLOSSIANS 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

As shown from the scriptures above Jesus is the God of creation.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

AND?

101G.

Read post # 1885 linked. You simply ignored all the scripture content in the linked post that was in disagreement with you and did not respond to it.

 

[101G]

You do know your arguing with scripture that says Jesus is the God of creation from post # 1905 linked right? The answer to your question has already been provided to you in the scriptures in the post you are quoting from but not responding to. Here are some more scriptures for you to consider here..

• Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

• Genesis 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

• Genesis 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other

• Isaiah 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

Take Care.

did you not here what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4 that God is a "He" a single person who made man male and female? well did the Lord Jesus lie? God forbid ... no. and if you read Genesis 1:27 you will see that is is only one PERSON who made man male and female, and it was not Jesus the Son.

now you're going to explain how God went from US and OUR in Genesis 1:26, to He and him, a single person in Genesis 1:27 the very next verse.

your answer please?

101G.

 

[101G]

Read post # 1885 linked. You simply ignored all the scripture content in the linked post that was in disagreement with you and did not respond to it.

no need to response to it. if what you said had merit, then a proper response would be necessary.

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

did you not here what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4 that God is a "He" a single person who made man male and female? well did the Lord Jesus lie? God forbid ... no. and if you read Genesis 1:27 you will see that is is only one PERSON who made man male and female, and it was not Jesus the Son.

now you're going to explain how God went from US and OUR in Genesis 1:26, to He and him, a single person in Genesis 1:27 the very next verse.

your answer please?

101G.

My answer is here you ignored it again...

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

• GENESIS 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

• GENESIS 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other

• ISAIAH 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

• COLOSSIANS 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

As shown from the scriptures above Jesus is the God of creation.

Take Care.

 

[101G]

Genesis 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other

now let's examine these TRUTHS in the LIGHT.
did not the LORD already came down? let's check thew record. back up a few verses, Genesis 11:5 "And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

well now the LORD already came down, but why say, in Genesis 11:7 "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

so the us was to Confound their Language. see those words at the beginning of the verse... "Go to" what do it mean? in hermeneutic, there is a thing call near and far application. the near here in Genesis (NEAR), God as the Ordinal First confounded the people language. and (FAR), Go to, God in Acts on the day of Pentecost unconfused the languages and gave all understanding in their own language.
next we will get to,

Isaiah 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

(smile)...... .

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

no need to response to it. if what you said had merit, then a proper response would be necessary.101G.

You were posted scripture that was in disagreement with you. You do not have to respond to it if you do not want to. Its up to you. Perhaps you can pray about it if you do not know how. God is plural. Jesus and the Father are one in purpose and mind

 

[3rdAngel]

now let's examine these TRUTHS in the LIGHT.

Why you have simply ignored all the truth and light from the scriptures that are in disagreement with you and do not seem to want to discuss the post and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Of course you do not have to if you do not want to. Its up to you.

did not the LORD already came down? let's check thew record. back up a few verses, Genesis 11:5 "And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

well now the LORD already came down, but why say, in Genesis 11:7 "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

so the us was to Confound their Language. see those words at the beginning of the verse... "Go to" what do it mean? in hermeneutic, there is a thing call near and far application. the near here in Genesis (NEAR), God as the Ordinal First confounded the people language. and (FAR), Go to, God in Acts on the day of Pentecost unconfused the languages and gave all understanding in their own language.
next we will get to,


(smile)...... .

101G.

Not really "us" is plural application to God, while you simply ignore all the scriptures stating verbatim that Jesus is the God of creation (smiling right back at you with a bigger smile)

 

[101G]

ISAIAH 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

let's see it clearly, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

so, the US must be the Lord GOD, and his Spirit?.... correct, and you think that it is Isaiah who is sent? WRONG, for Isaiah was not from the beginning. and if you say it is Jesus Christ who was sent by the Father and the Holy Spirit, for the Christ who is Jesus that CAME?.

well let's check the record. the answer is in Revelation. listen and Learn. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
someone sent his angel correct? well lets hear it from the angel who was sent. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
ok, so it was the Lord GOD of the ... holy prophets, (meaning the OT) who sent his angel correct. the God of the OT, correct? the same Lord God in Isaiah above right. well let's see who this Lord God is. now listen and LEARN, the same book, the same chapter, just a few verses later, follow 101G. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

well, well, well, the Lord God is JESUS, of the holy pfrophets, (the OT).... YIKES!, meaning that this same JESUS is the God of the OT, without flesh, without bone, and without blood. .... SPIRIT...... Uh Oh!....

now going back to Isaiah, and knowing what we now know, it was JESUS and his Spirit, (who he is), a single person sent someone, ..... . do you see your dilemma now?

I suggest you re-read this post for clarity, and for edification.

101G

 

[101G]

Why you have simply ignored all the truth and light from the scriptures that are in disagreement with you and do not seem to want to discuss the post and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Of course you do not have to if you do not want to. Its up to you.


Not really "us" is plural application to God, while you simply ignore all the scriptures stating verbatim that Jesus is the God of creation (smiling right back at you with a bigger smile)

see above ........

101G.

 

[101G]

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

now HEBREWS, let's get straight to the Chase.
#1. "BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS" let's check the record, HE, A SINGLE PERSON MADE ALL THINGS BY, BY, BY, HIMSELF. scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
question, is Jesus the, "LORD", all caps? let's see.

#2. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS
question, is not Jesus the "Lord?" .... , let's see who laid the foundation of the World. Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

well, well, well, again, I ask, is Jesus the Lord or the LORD..... LOL, LOL, LOL, understand only ONE PERSON MADE ALL THINGS, AND ONLY ONE PERSON WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION THE EARTH. .... hello, are there anyone home? are we getting this?.

101G/