I see so there is a flood of scripture that disagree with your teachings. Does this not worry you? It should.
Of course there would be scriptures that appear to disagree with me… Goodness, even the Jews claimed against Jesus Christ!!!
I see so your agreeing with me you have no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished as we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?
A crafted statement from you.
Firstly, you are asking for direct proof of statement that could not possibly have existed when the scriptures were written. You know that and that is why you persist in asking for proof. That is deceitful. That shows your colours right off the bat!
Next, I showed you that Jesus stated that ‘IN TIME TO COME’ worship would no longer be …. In Jerusalem.
‘In time to come…’ Gentiles became part of God’s family along with Jews.
You seem to shudder in fright at this revelation since you do not even reference it as being TRUTH!! So, again you are living in a deceitful state of being regarding what you think you are saying.
Finally, it is not irreverent to worship God n ANY DAY ONE CHOOSES… God said to keep the Sabbath Day holy…. If YOUR SEVENTH DAY is NOT the Jewish SEVENTH DAY (Friday sun-down to Saturday sun-down) because you are NOT a follower of first century Jewish traditions THEN who is going to demand that you should follow first century jewish traditions anymore than a gentile can be demanded to have his make child circumcised.
What was the Sabbath day established for?
Was it not to REST from every day work and WORSHIP GOD and DO GOOD?
If you keep Tuesday as your Sabbath, if you do good, rest from work, and worship God…. are you ‘breaking the law’?
Well at least your starting to be honest now which is a good start.
I was being honest all along.
So tell me are you not worried when Jesus says if we follow man-made teachings and traditions like Sunday worship that leads many to break Gods' 4th commandment that they are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9? You should be if breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is sin (see James 2:10-11) and practicing known unrepentant sin after God gives us a knowledge of the truth brings us into the danger of the judgement to come (see Hebrews 10:26-31).
It was Jesus who brought in the new covenant between God and man, since if the first covenant had been sufficient there would be no need to bring in another.
See Hebrews 8:6-8.
Nope. Jesus and all the Apostles kept the Sabbath which was their custom (see Luke 4:16; Acts 17:2) and Gods' people continued keeping the Sabbath well after the death of the Apostles. There is not such thing as "a Jewish Sabbath" there was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures (see Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27).
A Jew is a transition title out of the Israelites and priorly just Hebrews.
And does your timeframe for this debate only extend to the limits of what is in the scriptures in regard to this debate….. I’m pretty sure with the seeming confidence you put out, you can’t be afraid to extend your cause to contemporary times and ‘the time that has come’ that Jesus referred to???
Yes, that was a silly attempt at a nothing claim since it’s the only way you can think to claim against me….
Bad form, 3rdAngel!!!
No that is not true at all. Matthew 15:3-9 was about Gods' people making man-made teachings and traditions that led many away from Gods' Word to break the commandments of God with Jesus telling these people they were not worshiping God in doing this. Like those today who follow follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus says we are not worshiping God if we do this....
- MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. [7], YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING, [8], THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.
The scriptures disagree with you here.
Again, you have attempted to deceive. Matthew 15:3-9 IS NOT a set of verses that come into the debate here. You have picked these verses and the theme of it to furnish your own deceitful ends.
Did you forget that you were trying to show that the SABBATH law has not been superseded - what does ‘Honoring your mother and Father’ have to do with Sabbath day?
You must think your distraction techniques work with me…. Nah!!!
Sorry your post here absolutely makes no sense at all. What are you even talking about here?
So you are still at it…. You cannot help writing “Your” when you have been shown it is incorrect and should be appropriately “You are” or “You’re” just as you cannot help to claim you do not understand what someone is saying to you when they are actually showing to the truth… Well, that is not uncommon: Can the darkness abode the light…. No! I third from it just as you are hiding here claiming you don’t understand what I was talking about!!! I mean, like, you do not even stats what it is you do not understand …. You don’t even attempt to ask for clarification …. Hint hint….!!!!!
Once again prove your claims show me the scripture that says you can make any day your Sabbath. - There is none. According to the scriptures "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God" - Exodus 20:10. You do err not knowing the scriptures.
Jesus says that in time to come worship would be in Spirit and in truth. This means personal worship WHEN EVER AND WHERE EVER WAS REVERENT TO DO SO.
But you are not after a proof - you are just kneejerking. You really are not clever at all.
According to the scriptures God made the Sabbath for ALL MANKIND (Mark 2:27), There were no Jews when God made the Sabbath for ALL mankind. There was only Adam and Eve that God created on the 6th day of the creation week according to Genesis 1:26-31. After God finished His work of creation in 6 days of the week he rested on the "seventh day" of the week and blessed the "seventh day" of the week for all mankind as a memorial of creation (see Exodus 20:8-11). God set aside the "seventh day of the week aside from all the other day of the week for a holy day of rest as a memorial and celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. God made it one of His 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) see Exodus 20:8-11; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. Jesus taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-12.
There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3).
God gave the sabbath day law to the Israelites (since you insist!) God did not give the sabbath day law to the Egyptians, nor the Philistines, nor the Amorites nor the Roland, nor the Greeks nor any other nation of people.
Please quote me a verse stating that the SABBATH was given to all mankind from the book of Exodus.![/QUOTE]
Jesus saw how this law that was given to the israelites (now called Jews) was becoming a millstone around the necks of those who held to it… Therefore the people were effectively SLAVES TO THE LAW…. Gentiles did not follow the laws of the Jews and so it was not a millstone around their necks.
Gentiles are not Gods' people so do not believe and follow Gods' Word.
…. Ooohhhh. You’ve fallen out of your pram on that!!
What does the scriptures say about it:
Galatians 3:28 says….
Jesus was sent firstly to the Jews to bring them back to God. But the Jews rejected Jesus and do the children of God is now opened up to all peoples of all nations - anyone - everyone - who calls upon the name of God and Jesus Christ in true sincerity.
No Circumcision is not the same argument. Circumcision was a shadow law pointing to a new heart by faith for all those who walk in God's Spirit in the new covenant promise (see Acts 15:1-2). It has nothing to do with not keeping Gods' 10 commandments. This is why Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:9 to the Corinthian gentile believers, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
You are obviously struggling with the scriptures and how they dovetail with each other theme to theme.
As posted earlier, according to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and there was no Jews when God made the Sabbath for all mankind in Genesis 2:1-3. All of Gods' people are called to obey all the commandments of God including Gods' 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4).
Once again there is no such thing as a "Jewish Sabbath". There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3). Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day (see Matthew 12:1-12).
According to the scripture worshiping God in Spirit and in truth means to worship God according to what Gods' Word says (see John 17:17 and John 6:63). According to Jesus if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. Now tell me how can you claim to worship God in Spirit and in truth when you do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says? You cannot.
Worshiping God in spirit and truth - I’ve already explained this to you. You are reiterating it here to make it seem like I did not already say it to you.
You repeat what I say to you do those reading what you wrote now will think I did not already say these things to you…. How cowardly of you to take this kind of argument. It is evident that anyone worshipping in spirit and truth must do so in all sincerity, integrity, honesty, unselfishness, meekness, revenge and piety etc. There is no need for you to say it to me as though it was something I did not know / I have written about this in several threads in this forum already which you can research to prove it (as I know you require PROOF for everything said to you!!)
