"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

You have no grounds on which to accuse someone of being dishonest. So they disagree with you? Then tell them they are mistake and why. But don't accuse them of deceit.

Yes you do not have grounds because you have not been following the discussion. I and others do have grounds and can prove it and have provided linked posts to discussions we have been having. If someone make a false claim and accusation about someone unsupported by any facts or evidence it is bearing false witness and is dishonest.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes you do not have grounds because you have not been following the discussion. I and others do and can prove it.

Can you link, quote and explain? You never did with me.

Meanwhile, I only had to ask the same question about a hundred times to get you to answer.

And you still refuse to agree to a discussion where one follows reasonable rules of debate.

 

[3rdAngel]

And yet I am the only one that has supported his claims properly and you are back to running away again.

Well we all know that is not true. Your deflecting what others says about you again. My challenge to you is to prove what you are saying here. If you cannot than you have just proven my point again. You deflect what others say about you and make false claims and accusations then when asked to prove your claims you simply runaway from the discussion.

How many times have I asked you if you wanted to have an honest discussion? Everyone can see me making a reasonable proposal, and everyone can see you running away.

That is also not true at all and others here in this thread are also in agreement with me. Everyone can see that you are not interested in a discussion here and that you simply do not respond to post and scripture content that is in disagreement with you. You respond to others with deflection and false claims and accusations of things you do which has been pointed out to you by more than one person in this thread, while you cannot prove your false claims and accusations against others and when challenged and simply run away from the discussion (examples already provided as evidence to you way back in the thread as shown in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked). Therefore sorry I do not believe you.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Can you link, quote and explain? You never did with me. Meanwhile, I only had to ask the same question about a hundred times to get you to answer. And you still refuse to agree to a discussion where one follows reasonable rules of debate.

You were already linked post quotes and it has been explained to you many time now that have not been addressing post content to many posts and scripture that are in disagreement with you. Proving you are running away from a discussion. Instead of addressing the post content that was in disagreement with you, showing why what you were posting was not true, you responded by deflecting what others were saying about you. When asked to prove your false claims and accusations about others here by providing a link to your false claims, you simply ran away from the discussion again unable to prove what you were saying. You just ignored my posts to you as well as the posts of others here trying to help you. As proven already it is you that refuses to have a discussion where one follows reasonable rules of debate. This has already been pointed out to you and proven in linked posts to you already. Your deflecting again. Lets talk more when you can prove what you are saying here and have something to contribute to the discussion of the OP.

 

[samtonga43]

Do you seriously think that was polite? It wasn't it had a false assumption built into it.

No false assumption, SZ. Yes, of course you have posted in other threads. But you did not read carefully enough. I haven't seen you being part of a debate. Maybe I missed it. Is so, please point me in the right direction. A thought has just occurred to me: You do know what a debate is, don't you?

And since you want me to ask questions: Do you believe the Noah's Ark story? If so what is your version. How do you interpret it?

I answered this. More than once. You've forgotten.
When are you going to answer my questions? (#1312)

 

[Subduction Zone]

No false assumption, SZ. Yes, of course you have posted in other threads. But you did not read carefully enough. I haven't seen you being part of a debate. Maybe I missed it. Is so, please point me in the right direction. A thought has just occurred to me: You do know what a debate is, don't you?


I answered this. More than once. You've forgotten.
When are you going to answer my questions? (#1312)

I am not you. I do not make the false assumptions that you make. It is true that you have not been debating here. You have only made unfounded personal attacks.

And no, I was pretty sure we had a discussion about Noah's Ark. You do hold a grudge when you lose. By the way, that was by your standards not an answer.

And all I could see in post 1312 were false claims. There was nothing worthy of a response.

Try asking questions properly. You will get answers.

 

[Soapy]

So that is a no than? You do not want to address the post content of my posts that are in disagreement with you but instead make strawman arguments no one is talking about as a distraction because you cannot address the post content and the scriptures share with you that are in disagreement with you? All of your past questions and post content were answered section by section and proven here in post # 1268 linked; post # 1269 linked; post # 1270 linked and post # 1271 linked for all to see that your making false claims again. My question to you dear friend is do you want to actually try now to respond to the content in these linked posts that prove from the scriptures why your earlier posts are in error or are you going to project, and deflect with false claims and accusations and run away?

Did you just cut-and-paste again?

And I see you do not address the answers I gave you - again.

So that’s your tactic…

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...


Please address the post content you are responding to that is in disagreement with you. You are ignoring it again.

The post response where you correctly wrote ‘your’ as a possessive was not what I was referring to.

If you check your posts you will see that you are still writing “your” when you should be writing “you are” or “you’re”.

But what has happened is that you show that you CAN respond DIRECTLY to an aspect of a post WHEN you feel you are CORRECT.

What does this mean? It means that you DO NOT respond directly to an aspect of a post content WHEN YOU ARE WRONG!!!

 

[3rdAngel]

Did you just cut-and-paste again?And I see you do not address the answers I gave you - again. So that’s your tactic…

Yes because you never responded to the post content that was in disagreement with you. You simply ignored it like you do with most other posts in disagreement with you that you are unable to respond to. All of your past questions and post content were answered section by section and shown to be false in post # 1268 linked; post # 1269 linked; post # 1270 linked and post # 1271 linked for all to see that your making false claims again and not responding to post content that is in disagreement with you.

 

[3rdAngel]

The post response where you correctly wrote ‘your’ as a possessive was not what I was referring to.

Are you talking about the post I corrected your English grammar on in this discussion here (follow the linked arrows in each post to show the discussion contexts)...

3rdAngel said: ↑ Sorry your post here absolutely makes no sense at all. What are you even talking about here?

Your response here

Soapy said: ↑ So you are still at it…. You cannot help writing “Your” when you have been shown it is incorrect and should be appropriately “You are” or “You’re” just as you cannot help to claim you do not understand what someone is saying to you when they are actually showing to the truth… Well, that is not uncommon: Can the darkness abode the light…. No! I third from it just as you are hiding here claiming you don’t understand what I was talking about!!! I mean, like, you do not even stats what it is you do not understand …. You don’t even attempt to ask for clarification …. Hint hint….!!!!!

Responded to with...

3rdAngel said: ↑ I do not know if English is your (ownership) first language but your (ownership) post here made me laugh a little. Instead of responding to the post content that is in disagreement with you as a distraction you want to play Mr Grammarly? Well here let me help you with that. When you are responding to my post that says "your (ownership) post" it means ownership of as in you are the owner of the post. You cannot use you're or you are here. That would make no sense at all. How does your (ownership) recommendation sound when your telling me that my post should read like this "Sorry you are post here absolutely makes no sense at all. What are you even talking about here?" Your (ownership) recommendation does not make any sense now does it.

How about you start responding to the post content that is in disagreement with you that you are quoting from instead of trying to playing Mr Grammarly which you do not seem to be very good at as a distraction to running away from a discussion.

Take Care.

 

[Soapy]

So let me ask you a question, please. Do you believe this means that Jesus is Lord over the Sabbath day one day a week?

Jesus says that MANKIND is Lord of the Sabbath.

Doesn’t if sound silly if Jesus had said:

• “The Sabbath was made for JESUS, not JESUS for the Sabbath.
  
• So JESUS is the Sabbath.”

No! Jesus said correctly that:

• ‘YOU are MASTER of the day in which you rest from your weekly work, glory God, and do good’ (your Sabbath Day)

 

[Soapy]

Yes because you never responded to the post content that was in disagreement with you. You simply ignored it like you do with most other posts in disagreement with you that you are unable to respond to.

Well, you need to stop doing that. Jesus condemned repetition of prayers (requests) which was a favourite negative behaviour pattern of the Jews!!

 

[Soapy]

Are you talking about the post I corrected your English grammar on in this discussion here (follow the linked arrows in each post to show the discussion contexts)...

Your response here

Responded to with...

How about you start responding to the post content that is in disagreement with you that you are quoting from instead of trying to playing My Grammarly which you do not seem to be very good at as a distraction to running away from the the discussion.

Take Care.

You seem very angry that your error has been exposed so clearly.

 

[3rdAngel]

Jesus says that MANKIND is Lord of the Sabbath.

Doesn’t if sound silly if Jesus had said:

• “The Sabbath was made for JESUS, not JESUS for the Sabbath.
  
• So JESUS is the Sabbath.”

No! Jesus said correctly that:

• ‘YOU are MASTER of the day in which you rest from your weekly work, glory God, and do good’ (your Sabbath Day)

According to the scriptures, Jesus as the son of God was also the son of man and refers to himself as such here...

• Matthew 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
• Matthew 8:20 Jesus *said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.”
• Matthew 9:6 But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—then He *said to the paralytic, “Get up, pick up your bed and go home.”
• Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”

• Matthew 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
• Matthew 18:11 For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.
• Matthew 24:27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
• Mark 8:38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

• Luke 18:8 I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”
• John 1:51 And He said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”
• John 5:27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.
• John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
• John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
• John 13:31 Therefore when he had gone out, Jesus *said, “Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in Him;
• Acts 7:56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
• Revelation 1:13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash.

You really do not know the scriptures now do you. Receive Gods' correction and be blessed. Son (singular) of mankind does not mean all of mankind plural

 

[3rdAngel]

You seem very angry that your error has been exposed so clearly.

lol angry no. I am having a giggle. Post # 1351 linked proves it was you that made the error

 

[3rdAngel]

Well, you need to stop doing that. Jesus condemned repetition of prayers (requests) which was a favourite negative behaviour pattern of the Jews!!

Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about here

 

[Soapy]

No you didn't say that sis. Sorry if that was what you were thinking I was saying. I posted that because most of Christianity teaches "the Lords day" is Sunday despite there being no scripture to support this view. As posted earlier we should believe the words of Jesus and the bible over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God against the very warning of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Jesus not me says he is the Lord of the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:8. These are His Words not mine. The Sabbath day therefore according to the scriptures is "the Lords day".

Take Care.

You are conflating two different themes.

Jesus saying that ‘The Son of Man’ is Lord even of the Sabbath simply means that ‘The Son of Man’ must not be SLAVES (the antithesis to being ‘Lord’) to the law of the Sabbath.

And, it is yet to be established exactly WHICH ‘Lord’ is being spoken of:

• ‘Jesus’ as ‘human Lord - Master in humanity’

or:

• ‘Almighty God’ as ‘Lord’ who established the day

For sure Abraham was given a vision of the coming Messiah, termed, ‘The day of the Lord’ but this in no way refers to a dedicated 24 hour contiguous period.

I have yet to hear or read of a 24 hour day dedicated to Jesus … and Jesus did not refer to the Sabbath being dedicated to him.., He did not rest on the Sabbath, but rather glorified God, carried out miracles, and did good on all days of the week.

Therefore, my conclusion is that ‘The Lord’s Day’ refers to God as ‘Lord’ and ‘Day’ meaning ‘Sabbath’.

 

[Soapy]

So that is a no than? You do not want to address the post content of my posts that are in disagreement with you but instead make strawman arguments no one is talking about as a distraction because you cannot address the post content and the scriptures share with you that are in disagreement with you? All of your past questions and post content were answered section by section and proven here in post # 1268 linked; post # 1269 linked; post # 1270 linked and post # 1271 linked for all to see that your making false claims again. My question to you dear friend is do you want to actually try now to respond to the content in these linked posts that prove from the scriptures why your earlier posts are in error or are you going to project, and deflect with false claims and accusations and run away?

So you have no response to anything I said to you…. Same old - same old!

 

[Soapy]

Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about here

Of course you do not have any idea… it’s easier to deny your failing than to admit it - You’ve shown it throughout your posts in this thread.

 

[Soapy]

Who was complaining about long posts...?

I’m glad you added the grossly green emoji face… at least I know you were only being jokey.

It’s irony back to 3rdAngel although it’s only a third of the length of his posts.

When he writes, he does it to try to obfuscate what he wants to say so it becomes tedious to the reader to try to interpret what he’s saying. This way responses become longer and longer and consume more and more time to an opponent.

In doing so it’s easy not to read sections and not to even respond in total to all he says…. This leads to him reposting links and swathes of text demanding that the opponent respond to them - and ADDING even more things to respond to from him.

And be it noted that no answer I give him is worthy so he claims I did not reply to the myriad questions he asks…. AND when I ask to state EXACTLY what he wants replying to - not a LINK TO IT - he ignores it …

All of this adds up to someone who debates irresponsibly and disreputable and deceitfully. His purpose is just to amuse himself - but he still cannot understand that I’m not playing his game hence he keeps up his despicable repetitive debate technique saying he ‘giggles’ at what is posted to him.

Did Jesus ever laugh? (I don’t mean ‘was Jesus ever HAPPY!’) - No, because laughing at someone is actually a derogatory behaviour towards the misfortune of another person (Think about why comedy makes you laugh!)