"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Soapy]

What was wrong Soapy? You cannot make a statement without proving what you say. You have already been shown why your statements are wrong with scripture but you refuse to respond to the posts content and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you or the posts and questions asked of you from others that have been trying to help you here. So I guess we will agree to disagree dear friend because you seem to be unwilling to receive correction when proven to be wrong.

I think what you are not understanding here Soapy is that you are arguing against scripture which are Gods' Words not my words with your words that are not Gods' Word. John the Baptist would never do such things. So no you are not John the Baptist.

Sorry Soapy but you quoting you against arguing against the scriptures shared with you is you arguing with Gods word with your words. It seems your argument is with God not me as it has only been Gods' Words that have been shared with you not my words. I am surprised you cannot see this.

Your post here does not really make any sense. I have been posting scripture that has been in disagreement with your words that are not God's Word and you seem to be getting upset about it. I really do not understand why. Please receive Gods' correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods' Words do not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).

Take Care.

Sorry Soapy but you quoting you against arguing against the scriptures shared with you is you arguing with Gods word with your words.

Did you have a coffufal here… !

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Sorry Soapy but you quoting you arguing against the scriptures shared with you is you arguing with Gods word with your words. It seems your argument is with God not me as it has only been Gods' Words that have been shared with you not my words. I am surprised you cannot see this.

Your response here...

Did you have a coffufal here… !

I am sorry I do not know what you are talking about. What is a "coffufal"? (see Matthew 7:5)

 

[3rdAngel]

The poster was saying that there was no second covenant.

My question to you was what is the new covenant and what is the difference between the old and the new? I did not ask you what someone else said. Who was saying to you that there was no new covenant?

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...

I am sorry I do not know what you are talking about. What is a "coffufal"? (see Matthew 7:5)

Hey, you got the message!!!!

 

[Soapy]

My question to you was what is the new covenant and what is the difference between the old and the new? I did not ask you what someone else said. Who was saying to you that there was no new covenant?

And I said that you are the expert and you should answer your own question in this case.

What aspect of the New Testament are you asking is different from the first… for if the first covenant was not faulty there would not be a need for a second.

 

[Soapy]

What was wrong Soapy? You cannot make a statement without proving what you say. You have already been shown why your statements are wrong with scripture but you refuse to respond to the posts content and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you or the posts and questions asked of you from others that have been trying to help you here. So I guess we will agree to disagree dear friend because you seem to be unwilling to receive correction when proven to be wrong.

I think what you are not understanding here Soapy is that you are arguing against scripture which are Gods' Words not my words with your words that are not Gods' Word. John the Baptist would never do such things. So no you are not John the Baptist.

Sorry Soapy but you quoting you against arguing against the scriptures shared with you is you arguing with Gods word with your words. It seems your argument is with God not me as it has only been Gods' Words that have been shared with you not my words. I am surprised you cannot see this.

Your post here does not really make any sense. I have been posting scripture that has been in disagreement with your words that are not God's Word and you seem to be getting upset about it. I really do not understand why. Please receive Gods' correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods' Words do not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).

Take Care.

You have already been shown why your statements are wrong with scripture but you refuse to respond to the posts content and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you or the posts and questions asked of you from others that have been trying to help you here. So I guess we will agree to disagree dear friend because you seem to be unwilling to receive correction when proven to be wrong.

Sounds like every trinitarian I’ve ever come across.

Jesus has a God: the Father.

Scriptures says that ‘No one has seen God at any time’ and you say that Jesus IS GOD…

That is both incongruous and a contradiction of scriptures.

The truth: ‘No one has seen God at any time’.

Jesus, the people have seen.

The spirit of God was experienced as a light gentle breeze as of a dove, and as a mighty rushing wind and tongues of fire.

The Father - no one has a report of seeing the Father.

Ipso facto: The Father, and only the Father, is God.

Do you say that ‘The truth’ is untrue?

 

[samtonga43]

Jesus has a God: the Father.
Scriptures says that ‘No one has seen God at any time’ and you say that Jesus IS GOD…
That is both incongruous and a contradiction of scriptures.

Neither incongruous nor contradiction, Soapy.
It’s all centered on that hypostatic union I mentioned earlier. You obviously did not look it up, as I suggested.
This is the crux of the matter; this is where your problem arises. Here is a brief explanation:
The term ‘hypostatic union’ is used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, and yet remained fully God at the same time. We can see from Scripture that Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

The truth: ‘No one has seen God at any time’.
Jesus, the people have seen.
The spirit of God was experienced as a light gentle breeze as of a dove, and as a mighty rushing wind and tongues of fire.
The Father - no one has a report of seeing the Father.

As with the Holy Spirit, the love of the Father for His children can be experienced. I, and millions of others, experience it every day.

Ipso facto: The Father, and only the Father, is God.

No, not Ipso facto (necessarily_

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[3rdAngel]

Hey, you got the message!!!!

Yes it made no sense which is why I asked you what is a "coffufal"?

 

[3rdAngel]

Sounds like every trinitarian I’ve ever come across.

Jesus has a God: the Father.

Scriptures says that ‘No one has seen God at any time’ and you say that Jesus IS GOD…

That is both incongruous and a contradiction of scriptures.

The truth: ‘No one has seen God at any time’.

Jesus, the people have seen.

The spirit of God was experienced as a light gentle breeze as of a dove, and as a mighty rushing wind and tongues of fire.

The Father - no one has a report of seeing the Father.

Ipso facto: The Father, and only the Father, is God.

Do you say that ‘The truth’ is untrue?

Here let me help you with that... John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

[3rdAngel]

And I said that you are the expert and you should answer your own question in this case.

What aspect of the New Testament are you asking is different from the first… for if the first covenant was not faulty there would not be a need for a second.

So I am guessing you do not know what the new covenant is and what is the difference between the old covenant and the new?

 

[3rdAngel]

Clearly not - but that’s what trinity does to its proponents. It’s just as scriptures says:

• ‘[God] will send them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie’ (2 Thes 2:11)

And, to cover yourself even more, you quote truth from scriptures such that less cautious readers first drawn in by that truth and then are drawn into the lie.

Afterall, the best lies are 95% truth….

I think that would be something you have been unable to prove. You have been provided scripture showing plural God and that Jesus is the God of creation. So your words here are only your words arguing with Gods' Words (the scriptures) shared with you that are in disagreement with you. So perhaps you need to take your own advice and your writing this post to yourself. I will let the scriptures already shared with you that are in disagreement with you do the talking.

Take Care.

 

[samtonga43]

Yes it made no sense which is why I asked you what is a "coffufal"?

It makes no sense because there is no such thing as a 'coffufal'. He may mean 'kerfuffle', but who knows? It's just another piece of Soapy nonsense.

 

[samtonga43]

Clearly not - but that’s what trinity does to its proponents. It’s just as scriptures says:

• ‘[God] will send them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie’ (2 Thes 2:11)

And, to cover yourself even more, you quote truth from scriptures such that less cautious readers first drawn in by that truth and then are drawn into the lie.

Afterall, the best lies are 95% truth….

Soapy appears to be cherry-picking Scripture once again, so desperate is he to make it say what he wants it to say, rather than what the Word actually says.

Here is the verse in context:

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness”.

These verses speak, not of belief in a Triune God, but of the rise of a satanically-empowered figure.

But wait! Could it be that Soapy is, once again, is comparing two Christians (3rdAngel and myself) to ‘the lawless one’ and satan?

Soapy, you are rapidly losing any credibility you once possessed.

 

[3rdAngel]

So God told you that he is Jesus… really?
I thought scriptures says that God ‘adopted’ Jesus as ‘Son’:

• ‘You are my Son; this day I have become your Father!’

Can you deny that that is an adoption statement?

And Jesus told the Jews that he is almighty God?
I thought Jesus said:

• ‘I did not call myself God… I said only that I was the son of God!’

Those two claims seem to go together!

What does it mean that ‘God called men who received His word, “Gods”?

Doesnt ‘Gods’ mean ‘Mighty Ones’

I am not sure what you are talking about. I just prefer to believe and follow what the scriptures teach...

• John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

• Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

• Hebrews 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS;3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• Hebrews 1:8 8 But of the Son he (the Father) says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

• Matthew 1:23 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” which means, God with us.

• John 1:1-4 ;14 1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2, The same was in the beginning with God. 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 14, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

• 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

• John 8:58 Jesus said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” (Aramaic)

• 1 John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

Jesus was before creation and the God of creation as shown word for word in the scriptures that disagree with your words that are unsupported by the scriptures (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Receive Gods correction and be blessed Soapy. Ignoring Gods' Words does not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48)

Take Care.

 

[Soapy]

Neither incongruous nor contradiction, Soapy.
It’s all centered on that hypostatic union I mentioned earlier. You obviously did not look it up, as I suggested.
This is the crux of the matter; this is where your problem arises. Here is a brief explanation:
The term ‘hypostatic union’ is used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, and yet remained fully God at the same time. We can see from Scripture that Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

As with the Holy Spirit, the love of the Father for His children can be experienced. I, and millions of others, experience it every day.

No, not Ipso facto (necessarily_

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So you are persuaded by the lie?

Hypostatic union… Can you show the scriptures that describes this ridiculous claim?

Also, IF there were such a nonsense, Jesus, your God, would have twin personalities like the Roman mythological God, Janus:

• “Some scholars regard Janus as the god of all beginnings and believe that his association with doorways is derivative. He was invoked as the first of any gods in regular liturgies. The beginning of the day” (from Wikipedia)

Dissect the extract and you will find these (and remember that the mythological God was in belief before Jesus):

1. The God of all beginnings…
2. The gateway (between God and man!)
3. The first creation of God…
4. The morning star!

Two personalities… isn’t that associated with schizophrenia or the condition known in short as ‘DID’:

• Schizophrenia: “(in general use) a mentality or approach characterized by inconsistent or contradictory elements.”
• DID: “Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) A mental health condition, people with dissociative identity disorder (DID) have two or more separate personalities. These identities control a person's behavior at different times. DID can cause gaps in memory and other problems

Can you give an example of each from the scriptures associated with Jesus IF he were your God?

I mean, like:

• Jesus is fallable as man but invulnerable as God - At the same time…
• Jesus knows all things as God but has limited knowledge as man…
  
• Only the Father knows who will be seated next to Jesus when Jesus becomes ruler over creation - Jesus has no say in the matter
• Jesus took two goes at healing a man -God wouldn’t need to do it twice
• Jesus lost his temper at the temple - but scriptures says ‘He will not quarrel or cry out; no one will hear his voice in the streets.“
• Jesus changes many times in his life: God never changes - the Father never changes!
• God owns all things - He GRANTS what is His to Jesus - by this, Jesus is able to perform what God does (‘The things I do are because of the Father working in me!’). God is not ‘In the Father’ - God IS the Father!
• Jesus, in Heaven, is seated NEXT TO GOD… A nobleman seated next to the king does not make the nobleman the king
• Trinity says that Jesus is ‘EQUAL’ to God. There is nor can be any such thing as ‘Equal to God’… which is why God says ‘Beside(s) me there is no God’ (which was really telling the Israelites that He is to be their only God mirroring ‘Hear, O Israel, Yahweh, your God is one God!’, separating God’s firstborn nation from all other nations - who believed in many Gods)
• Jesus is ‘Everlasting Father’ as a future title - If trinity claims are true then Jesus IS the Father NOW: ‘I and the Father are One!’ in the same way that trinity claims Jesus is God because he is one with God… but notice that Jesus is only ‘One with the Father’… there is no scripture claiming Jesus is ‘One with the Spirit of God’ - only the Father!
• Stephen, looking in vision into Heaven, saw ONLY Jesus STANDING next to GOD, God who is SEATED ON HIS THRONE. Standing next to is a position of support: Seated is a position of authority in a power base setting
• Jesus, at the end of time, becomes Ruler Over Creation… GOD REMAINS (God never changes…!) Ruler over all things (Heaven and creation) including Jesus over creation - If Jesus IS GOD, isn’t Jesus’ final authoritative position a DEMOTION from that of the God of all things?

Answer all points, please

 

[Soapy]

I am not sure what you are talking about. I just prefer to believe and follow what the scriptures teach...

• John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Oh stop it!!!

• Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

You know that the true verse doesn’t say that.

It says that they are awaiting the appearance of the GLORY OF OUR GREAT GOD - The Glory of the saviour, Jesus Christ.

3rdAngel, you know that there is no support for ‘awaiting the appearance of God’… God is never stated as going or coming anywhere. God never leaves his spiritual throne - we are awaiting the second appearance of the man, Jesus Christ:

• “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus”

It’s not ‘One God and mediator’ and also a mediator cannot be God since a mediator cannot be both of whom he mediates for. Jesus is neither Holy God nor Sinful man but is SINLESS MAN - Son of God. Jesus is the filter who prevents unrighteous prayers / Petitions from man reaching the ethereal ears of God. If Jesus, as mediator, hears unrighteous prayers, how can he then prayers he didn’t hear unrighteous prayers as God?!

• Hebrews 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS;3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

God taught Jesus what to say and do in the world and then sent him to do those things.
Jesus fully achieved (in the eyes of God) all that God sent him to do and therefore was rewarded with the reward that came with the achievement of the task.

Notice that Jesus is APPOINTED HEIR …

What is an Heir?

Are you the creator and owner of something that you are APPOINTED to? Charles, Prince of the United Kingdom from his birth until 2012, was HEIR… he did not become KING of the kingdom UNTIL the then present monarch, the queen of the UK, died. But GOD NEVER DIES so Jesus is an ETERNAL HEIR over Heaven and earth - but IS APPOINTED RULERSHIP over CREATION… a ‘Room’ IN GOD’s House’!! Jesus will rule over what the Father created FOR THE SON whom He deems as ‘Firstborn’ (Most loved!)

Doing what you are shown and taught to do IS a label of ‘Image of … him who taught and commanded you. That is what the word ‘Son’ means in spirit:

• ‘He who fully does exactly what the Father commands him to do!’

The power jesus wields is exactly that which God anointed him with in order to achieve what God desired of him - weaponised Jesus with Godly power.

Who is ‘The majesty on high’ that Jesus WAS SEATED at the right hand of?
Is Jesus EQUAL to the majesty on high such that he IS the majesty on high that he is seated next to?

• Hebrews 1:8 8 But of the Son he (the Father) says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

‘O God’ does not pertains to ‘The God of the Israelites’. It simply means, ‘O mighty ruler’.

The verse is twin forked. On one hand speaking about King David at that time - David being classed a ‘Son of God’ and his throne being eternal (as we know that Jesus Christ will be seated on the eternal throne of king David); and on the other hand acting as a prophesy towards the end of time when Jesus Christ takes his seat on that eternal seat of king David and becomes eternal ruler over all creation: his eternal reign.

• Matthew 1:23 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” which means, God with us.

You are scraping the bottom of the trinity barrel now!

The king sends an ambassador to a far allied country with support for a war that the far country is fighting in (America’s President sending Secretary of State to Ukraine). The far country raises high praise on seeing the ambassador, saying, “Glory Be, The king is with us!!’

• John 1:1-4 ;14 1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2, The same was in the beginning with God. 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 14, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

We have done this to death …. But even so…
The verse speaks of ‘the begotten of the Father’. Are you claiming that ‘your God’ is begotten of the Father?

I’m ashamed that an intelligent man such as yourself should write such indiscriminate nonsense! It’s easy to see that you do not believe what you wrote since even common sense doesn’t get a foothold on this belief.

God’s word was that there would be a saviour come from the ‘Seed of a woman’…. When something that is stated as a future event actually takes place it is declared as:

• ‘Putting on Flesh’ / ‘Putting flesh on the bones of the statement’

So, what God said would happen, happened… and they beheld the glory of he whom God said would come into the world. Remember that John is writing these verse as a SUMMARY long after Jesus Christ was taken up to Heaven BY GOD… indeed, Jesus:

• ‘Sweated blood’ in suffering the night before he was to die wondering if GOD could indeed raise him up from the dead
• ‘Committed his spirit TO GOD…’ - what spirit was that? The spirit of God?
• did not raise himself from the grave
• did not give himself a glorified body
• did not raise himself up to Heaven
• did not seat himself NEXT TO GOD!!

2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

No, 3rdAngel, the true verse does not claim Jesus Christ as ‘God and saviour’. It states:
‘… the righteousness of our God [the Father], and of our Saviour, Jesus Christ’.

‘Our God’ is not Jesus Christ. Such a claim is irreverent and easily shown as false. The righteousness is by BOTH God AND Jesus Christ… God is the author of righteousness, and Jesus Christ is emissary who brought that righteousness to mankind through his life and death by shedding of his own blood.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” (Aramaic)

Where is this verse in the scriptures?

Which word or words in the ‘verse?’ say ‘I am the living God’?

If you are referring to the Jews asking Jesus if he is greater than their forefather, Abraham, Jesus’ answer was: ‘Yes, I am greater than Abraham … Abraham spoke about for seeing my day’ and me being as one from his own loins - a greater glory Abraham could not have desired…
‘I am before Abraham’ is not speaking of presidency in time but rather, presidency in order of authority and greatness. This is mirrored in the story of John the Baptist wherein John the Baptist states:

• ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’

Here, again, it is clear that the man who is GREATER comes AFTER the man who declares him and that is what ‘BEFORE’ means … ‘In front of; ahead of; greater than’ in power and authority.

John the Baptist describes Jesus as ‘a man’ who is greater than he… scriptures describes John the Baptist as:

• “Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

Yet, John the Baptist declares that there IS a man greater than he. So, according to your trinity claim, your Jesus is ‘Least in the kingdom of heaven!’ … ‘your GOD’ is the least in his own kingdom!

1 John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

The verse is misquoted - and you know it is.

‘ETERNAL LIFE’ depends on believing that the Father is the only TRUE GOD. It ALSO depends on believing that Jesus Christ has come into the world as Saviour. ‘True God’ and ‘Saviour’ are two different persons. The verse properly reads:

• ‘And we know the Son of God has come [it does not say that ‘God has come] and given us understanding [Jesus came to reveal the Father - the revelation is about God, the Father (Rev 1:1)] so that we may know HIM [the Father / God. Jesus did not come to reveal himself!] and we are in HIM WHO IS TRUE [Only God is True] AND in HIS Son, Jesus Christ. HE [God / The Father] is the true God and eternal life’.

Trinity translators played around with the Greek text because it explicitly claimed that the Father is the only true God and that is what Jesus came to reveal to the nations. The clues are obvious when compared to other qualifying text wherein the Father is stated as being the only true God and the God of the Son, Jesus Christ. Simply, one cannot BE BOTH GOD and also be the SON OF GOD - that is contradictory and incongruous … and irreverent!

Jesus was before creation and the God of creation as shown word for word in the scriptures that disagree with your words that are unsupported by the scriptures (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Receive Gods correction and be blessed Soapy. Ignoring Gods' Words does not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48)

Take Care.

Oh wow… I hear the hesitation from you - the sudden enlightenment - and the desperate scrabbling to find a way out…. At least I know now that you can tell the truth from the lie .., you just prefer to believe the lie!

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh stop it!!!

You know that the true verse doesn’t say that.

It says that they are awaiting the appearance of the GLORY OF OUR GREAT GOD - The Glory of the saviour, Jesus Christ.

3rdAngel, you know that there is no support for ‘awaiting the appearance of God’… God is never stated as going or coming anywhere. God never leaves his spiritual throne - we are awaiting the second appearance of the man, Jesus Christ:

• “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus”

It’s not ‘One God and mediator’ and also a mediator cannot be God since a mediator cannot be both of whom he mediates for. Jesus is neither Holy God nor Sinful man but is SINLESS MAN - Son of God. Jesus is the filter who prevents unrighteous prayers / Petitions from man reaching the ethereal ears of God. If Jesus, as mediator, hears unrighteous prayers, how can he then prayers he didn’t hear unrighteous prayers as God?!

God taught Jesus what to say and do in the world and then sent him to do those things.
Jesus fully achieved (in the eyes of God) all that God sent him to do and therefore was rewarded with the reward that came with the achievement of the task.

Notice that Jesus is APPOINTED HEIR …

What is an Heir?

Are you the creator and owner of something that you are APPOINTED to? Charles, Prince of the United Kingdom from his birth until 2012, was HEIR… he did not become KING of the kingdom UNTIL the then present monarch, the queen of the UK, died. But GOD NEVER DIES so Jesus is an ETERNAL HEIR over Heaven and earth - but IS APPOINTED RULERSHIP over CREATION… a ‘Room’ IN GOD’s House’!! Jesus will rule over what the Father created FOR THE SON whom He deems as ‘Firstborn’ (Most loved!)

Doing what you are shown and taught to do IS a label of ‘Image of … him who taught and commanded you. That is what the word ‘Son’ means in spirit:

• ‘He who fully does exactly what the Father commands him to do!’

The power jesus wields is exactly that which God anointed him with in order to achieve what God desired of him - weaponised Jesus with Godly power.

Who is ‘The majesty on high’ that Jesus WAS SEATED at the right hand of?
Is Jesus EQUAL to the majesty on high such that he IS the majesty on high that he is seated next to?

‘O God’ does not pertains to ‘The God of the Israelites’. It simply means, ‘O mighty ruler’.

The verse is twin forked. On one hand speaking about King David at that time - David being classed a ‘Son of God’ and his throne being eternal (as we know that Jesus Christ will be seated on the eternal throne of king David); and on the other hand acting as a prophesy towards the end of time when Jesus Christ takes his seat on that eternal seat of king David and becomes eternal ruler over all creation: his eternal reign.

You are scraping the bottom of the trinity barrel now!

The king sends an ambassador to a far allied country with support for a war that the far country is fighting in (America’s President sending Secretary of State to Ukraine). The far country raises high praise on seeing the ambassador, saying, “Glory Be, The king is with us!!’

We have done this to death …. But even so…
The verse speaks of ‘the begotten of the Father’. Are you claiming that ‘your God’ is begotten of the Father?

I’m ashamed that an intelligent man such as yourself should write such indiscriminate nonsense! It’s easy to see that you do not believe what you wrote since even common sense doesn’t get a foothold on this belief.

God’s word was that there would be a saviour come from the ‘Seed of a woman’…. When something that is stated as a future event actually takes place it is declared as:

• ‘Putting on Flesh’ / ‘Putting flesh on the bones of the statement’

So, what God said would happen, happened… and they beheld the glory of he whom God said would come into the world. Remember that John is writing these verse as a SUMMARY long after Jesus Christ was taken up to Heaven BY GOD… indeed, Jesus:

• ‘Sweated blood’ in suffering the night before he was to die wondering if GOD could indeed raise him up from the dead
• ‘Committed his spirit TO GOD…’ - what spirit was that? The spirit of God?
• did not raise himself from the grave
• did not give himself a glorified body
• did not raise himself up to Heaven
• did not seat himself NEXT TO GOD!!

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Please forgive me dear friend but I cannot stop sharing the scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Did you notice that you did not address a single scripture showing why the scriptures you are responding to do not mean what they say? All you posted in response to the scriptures shared with you earlier was you arguing against what the scriptures were saying verbatim in post # 2174 linked. Did you want to have another go this time proving from the scriptures, why the scriptures posted here are not calling Jesus God and have application to plural God (trinity)?

Here you go. Prove to us from the scriptures this time, that these scriptures below are not saying Jesus is God and the God of creation by the Apostles and God is not both plural and individual in meaning?

The Apostles calling Jesus the God of creation...

• John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• Hebrews 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• Hebrews 1:8 8 BUT TO THE SON HE (the father) SAYS "YOUR THRONE O GOD (Jesus) IS FOREVER AND EVER, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

• Matthew 1:23 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name IMMANUEL WHICH MEANS GOD WITH US.

• John 1:1-4 ;14 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST

• John 8:58 Jesus said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” (Aramaic)

• 1 John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

• Colossians 2:9 “FOR IN CHRIST ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM."

The God head are three with one mind and purpose...

• John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

• 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: The FATHER, THE WORD (Jesus see John 1:1-4; 14), and the HOLY SPIRIT; and THESE THREE ARE ONE.”

• Matthew 28:19 9, Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST

At creation...

• Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

• Genesis 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

• Genesis 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other

• Isaiah 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

Jesus was before creation and the God of creation as shown word for word in the scriptures that disagree with your words that are unsupported by the scriptures (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Receive Gods correction and be blessed Soapy. Ignoring Gods' Words does not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48), Kind of not going to well for you now is it Soapy? We are best to believe and follow what Gods' Word says not seek to argue with them and try to explain them away which is what you are doing.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

It makes no sense because there is no such thing as a 'coffufal'. He may mean 'kerfuffle', but who knows? It's just another piece of Soapy nonsense.

Yea that was what I was guessing. I think it was a failed attempt at playing Mr Grammarly again but who knows

 

[3rdAngel]

So God told you that he is Jesus… really?
I thought scriptures says that God ‘adopted’ Jesus as ‘Son’:

• ‘You are my Son; this day I have become your Father!’

Can you deny that that is an adoption statement?

And Jesus told the Jews that he is almighty God?
I thought Jesus said:

• ‘I did not call myself God… I said only that I was the son of God!’

Those two claims seem to go together!

What does it mean that ‘God called men who received His word, “Gods”?

Doesnt ‘Gods’ mean ‘Mighty Ones’

Sorry I do not know what you are talking about here Soapy. You do know the difference between the Creator and the created right and man and God?

 

[samtonga43]

So you are persuaded by the lie?

I am never persuaded by a lie, Soapy.

Hypostatic union… Can you show the scriptures that describes this ridiculous claim?

I cannot show scriptures which describe a ridiculous claim, but I can show some which show the hypostatic union.
John 1:14: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Colossians 2:9: For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 Timothy 2:5: For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Romans 1:4: And was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,
John 17:5: And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
John 10:30: I and the Father are one.”
John 8:58: Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

These are just a few. Let me know if you want more.

Also, IF there were such a nonsense, Jesus, your God, would have twin personalities like the Roman mythological God, Janus:

Three possibilities here:
1. You are not reading the words I am posting to you.
2. You are reading them but not understanding their meaning.
3. You do understand, but cannot escape the brain-washing to which you have been subjected, and so cannot accept that:--
God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
God is One Being, three Persons.
God is Triune.
Jesus alone is NOT God, and therefore there are no ‘twin personalities’.

Get your act together, Soapy, and throw away your strawmen.

Answer all points, please

When you start answering my questions to you, I will return the favour.