The lusts of men is the problem

[Spiderman]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

What is the solution? Men need to learn self control, charity, sacrifice, stop using women as objects to satisfy their lusts, cease fornicating, cease stirring up passion with pornography addiction, cease getting women pregnant and leaving them, and learn self-control.

If people obeyed the laws of God, how many unwanted pregnancies would there be??

What is driving me nuts is the fowl hedonism, immodesty, unrully passions, and lust that is promoted and propagated in the media and throughout our sick culture! This can't go on!

All of the weakest, undisciplined, hedonistic, perverted men I have spoken to on the topic are pro-choice. Go figure! I wonder why.

It is the unbridled lusts of men that is responsible for the slaughter houses and trillions of dollars spent each year on abortion!

I'm not on a crusade against what a woman can do with her body or to control anyone. However, many of those babies are female. What about the decision to mutilate and put to death their bodies? Who's the one exercising control over another human being, but the doctor performing the procedure? It isn't right!

Lust is listed in the Bible as one of the seven deadly sins. It is lust and hedonism I despise, not women.

Men, myself included, need to learn self-control. You like fornication and pornography? So do I....it doesn't change the fact that it's evil and damages the mind and soul. Last girl I was with gave me a sexually transmitted disease and I wore a condom. So much for safe sex.

We could save countless trillions of dollars and many lives and broken hearts, and stop the spread of STD's by exercising self-control, obeying God's laws, mortifying our lusts and sick passions, and cease with fornication!

 

[Spiderman]

For the record, I think the Bible is a ridiculous book and resent God as a cruel fascist tyrant. However, I feel it is in the best interest of the world to obey his fascist law and cease with hedonism, materialism, lust, covetousness, selfishness, fornication, porn, vanity, and sin.

Imagine what the world would look like if people did that?

The virgin Mary at Fatima warned the world about the rise of communism and the coming of the second world war.

She said war is a punishment from God for sin. As much as I don't like God, I feel it is in the best interest of the world to obey his law.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not on a crusade against what a woman can do with her body or to control anyone. However, many of those babies are female. What about the decision to mutilate and put to death their bodies? Whose the one exercising control over another human being, but the doctor performing the procedure? It isn't right!

A doctor has to deal with life and death every single day of their career (more or less.) They continuously make decisions that may or may not take someone's life. They may even opt to kill someone out of mercy. But the difference is they are specifically trained to (at least ideally) know the best course of action in a given circumstance. Where pray tell is your doctorate in biology? Your scientific qualifications? Your degree in law even?

And believe or not, women kind of have a large stake in the debate. Devoid of men's lusts. Just saying. Also a condom is not a miracle worker, it can prevent STIs, but it's not like a force field dude. lol

Ahh I know I should let up. But this is too much fun. And I'm bored.

 

[Spiderman]

A doctor has to deal with life and death every single day of their career (more or less.) They continuously make decisions that may or may not take someone's life. They may even opt to kill someone out of mercy. But the difference is they are specifically trained to (at least ideally) know the best course of action in a given circumstance. Where pray tell is your doctorate in biology? Your scientific qualifications? Your degree in law even?

And believe or not, women kind of have a large stake in the debate. Devoid of men's lusts. Just saying. Also a condom is not a miracle worker, it can prevent STIs, but it's not like a force field dude. lol

I don't need scientific qualifications to point out the depravity of our culture. John the Baptist lived in the wilderness, wore camel hair, and ate locusts and wild honey. He needed no doctorate. The spirit of God was his qualification to point out the depravity of our world. It caused him to be decapitated!

I don't point out the errors of our culture to make friends. Jesus said we will be hated by all for his sake. Still I must speak the truth regardless!

 

[Spiderman]

Correct, women have a large stake in the debate but it is men not exercising self-control, fornication, and using women as objects to satisfy their lusts that is primarily responsible for abortion.

Trillions and trillions of dollars are spent each year to clean up the mess from the stupid sexual revolution! Lust breaks many hearts, wounds countless minds and souls, and destroys countless lives, ruins families and marriages!

Society must be purged!

 

[SomeRandom]

I don't need scientific qualifications to point out the depravity of our culture. John the Baptist lived in the wilderness, wore camel hair, and ate locusts and wild honey. He needed no doctorate. The spirit of God was his qualification to point out the depravity of our world. It caused him to be decapitated!

I don't point out the errors of our culture to make friends. Jesus said we will be hated by all for his sake. Still I must speak the truth regardless!

Playing the victim is tiresome. If you're going to make a case, it needs to be based on some sound logic. We don't live in John the Baptist's day, we live in the civilized era. A modern era based on reason and science. If you're going to pester women who are exploiting their civilly appointed reproduction rights, you absolutely need to make a case based on more than your fee fees. Besides John the Baptist lived before even the age of enlightenment. We have kind of moved on since then.
And people have been pointing out the "depravity of [our] culture" since speech was invented. It's practically it's own genre in academia and literature. Not impressive then, not impressive now.

Correct, women have a large stake in the debate but it is men not exercising self-control, fornication, and using women as objects to satisfy their lusts that is primarily responsible for abortion.

You're the one objectifying women here. Trying to argue that they have no agency, that they must be saved from the big bad mens. Treating them like mere children who should not even have a say in this, not in those words mind, but in your reasonings. Yes, men should absolutely learn self control. It's called being an adult in a civilized society. But you realize that you're reducing a very complex social issue into one aspect you can easily blame and ironically making us all into mere animals. Life happens to be a tad more........complicated. People get horny, but you make it sound like a constant state of being. Lust happens, sex happens, abortion happens, child rearing happens. This is just how life is. Like as if this generation is any different to any of the previous ones. The sexual revolution merely made sex into a subject people could talk about, it isn't responsible for anything else. Well maybe the rise of swingers. But that's it. I assure you, even back in the Victorian Era, people were having tons and tons of sex. And tons and tons of (very unsafe) abortions. The difference is we try not to have abortion be a life sentence. How very dreadful of this generation.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Perhaps we need to step back to a more "Victorian" culture in our society ....

not that I can really talk from experience, being Androgen deficient ( congenital eunuch )

 

[Spiderman]

Playing the victim is tiresome. If you're going to make a case, it needs to be based on some sound logic. We don't live in John the Baptist's day, we live in the civilized era. A modern era based on reason and science. If you're going to pester women who are exploiting their civilly appointed reproduction rights, you absolutely need to make a case based on more than your fee fees. Besides John the Baptist lived before even the age of enlightenment. We have kind of moved on since then.


You're the one objectifying women here. Trying to argue that they have no agency, that they must be saved from the big bad mens. Treating them like mere children who should not even have a say in this, not in those words mind, but in your reasonings. Yes, men should absolutely learn self control. It's called being an adult in a civilized society. But you realize that you're reducing a very complex social issue into one aspect you can easily blame and ironically making us all into mere animals. Life happens to be a tad more........complicated. People get horny, but you make it sound like a constant state of being. Lust happens, sex happens, abortion happens, child rearing happens. This is just how life is. Like as if this generation is any different to any of the previous ones. The sexual revolution merely made sex into a subject people could talk about, it isn't responsible for anything else. Well maybe the rise of swingers. But that's it. I assure you, even back in the Victorian Era, people were having tons and tons of sex. And tons and tons of (very unsafe) abortions. The difference is we try not to have abortion be a life sentence. How very dreadful of this generation.

I like to receive correction. It makes me wiser and more mature, but I fail to see how I'm objectifying women. I'm condemning homicide, lust, fornication, and hedonism, period!

Women should have a say in this. I already told you, if I was a rape or incest victim, I would get an abortion, were I a woman. That doesn't change the fact that I had an innocent human being that had nothing to do with it killed, and I'm 100% convinced that such an act is evil in God's eyes, and being a victim of rape doesn't give a person license to have another human being killed.

It is the lusts of men primarily responsible for rape and incest. My case is based on logic and I need no doctorate to point out this obvious fact!

 

[SomeRandom]

I like to receive correction. It makes me wiser and more mature, but I fail to see how I'm objectifying women. I'm condemning homicide, lust, fornication, and hedonism, period!

You completely removed them from the equation (women can rape men too and they have plenty of lust.) You literally made them into a mere object in the debate. No agency, no voice, nothing. That's what I mean by objectifying. And you're like what, the 20 billionth person in just this decade to whine about "lust, fornication and hedonism." *yawns* Old hat, as they say. Those things have always been prevalent, humans are humans. But we are currently living in the most civilized era in all of human history. Fact.

Women should have a say in this. I already told you, if I was a rape or incest victim, I would get an abortion, were I a woman. That doesn't change the fact that I had an innocent human being that had nothing to do with it killed, and I'm 100% convinced that such an act is evil in God's eyes, and being a victim of rape doesn't give a person license to have another human being killed.

Easy to say as a man who will never experience such a thing and never will. Talk is cheap. And yes, it absolutely does give them "license to kill" if you prefer to phrase it that way. Ever hear of self defense? Christ, that is literally a legal way to kill someone. Just saying.

It is the lusts of men primarily responsible for rape and incest. My case is based on logic and I need no doctorate to point out this obvious fact!

Fact, rape is actually more about control and often an act of aggressive dominance. There are also other cultural and even psychological causes of rape. This isn't the 40s, bro, the boffins have actually studied this.
Causes of sexual violence - Wikipedia
What was that about not needing any qualifications? Even I knew that and I'm a layman.

 

[Spiderman]

I'm simply saying people need to be strong, self-disciplined, sacrifice, have control of themselves, and cease with fornication, adultery, and hedonism. The answer is ridiculously simple.

No need for a doctorate. A doctorate is worthwhile, but so is self-control, self-discipline, and purity. Many people have doctorates but are lacking those virtues. I'm extremely mistrustful of such people!

 

[Skwim]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

What the hell are you talking about?

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[Spiderman]

You completely removed them from the equation (women can rape men too and they have plenty of lust.) You literally made them into a mere object in the debate. No agency, no voice, nothing. That's what I mean by objectifying. And you're like what, the 20 billionth person in just this decade to whine about "lust, fornication and hedonism." *yawns* Old hat, as they say. Those things have always been prevalent, humans are humans. But we are currently living in the most civilized era in all of human history. Fact.



Easy to say as a man who will never experience such a thing and never will. Talk is cheap. And yes, it absolutely does give them "license to kill" if you prefer to phrase it that way. Ever hear of self defense? Christ, that is literally a legal way to kill someone. Just saying.


Fact, rape is actually more about control and often an act of aggressive dominance. There are also other cultural and even psychological causes of rape. This isn't the 40s, bro, the boffins have actually studied this.
Causes of sexual violence - Wikipedia
What was that about not needing any qualifications? Even I knew that and I'm a layman.

Rape is still the fruit of lust. A person can lust after power and the need to control and dominate.

Fine, let women have all the say they want. They are just as human as men.

Interesting though, I'm critical of men and you accuse me still of mistreatment of women. Where did I say anything negative about women?

 

[Spiderman]

What the hell are you talking about?

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If you don't believe an unborn human in the womb is human, then you have valid excuse to disregard everything I said. Have a nice day!

 

[Debater Slayer]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

This reminds me of an Arabic proverb: "What is built on falsehoods is false." So, since you based your OP on a melodramatic, incorrect premise (that fetuses are equivalent to born people), I can only dismiss the rest of the argument as false and emotionally charged rhetoric.

Next thread, please.

 

[Spiderman]

This reminds me of an Arabic proverb: "What is built on falsehoods is false." So, since you based your OP on a melodramatic, incorrect premise (that fetuses are equivalent to born people), I can only dismiss the rest of the argument as false and emotionally charged rhetoric.

Next thread, please.

I respect your opinion. You apparently don't believe God sees the child in the womb as a human being with an immortal soul, therefore to think it homicide to kill the unborn in the womb is ludicrous. I once felt that way, so I would be quite the hypocrite to condemn you.

I don't blame you. Follow the convictions of your heart and seek enlightenment. I will follow God's law, as simpleminded as it seems. I'm convinced that is the solution to my problems and the predicament our sick world finds itself in.

I hope you find the happiness you are looking for! Take care!

 

[SomeRandom]

Rape is still the fruit of lust. A person can lust after power and the need to control and dominate.

It is a complicated phenomenon, to so crudely put it down to "fruit of lust" is to grossly oversimplify it. But sure, lust can play a part. So can environmental factors.

Interesting though, I'm critical of men and you accuse me still of mistreatment of women. Where did I say anything negative about women?

When you removed their voice. Such omission is negative. And if one is to treat men ill, usually the treatment of women isn't rosy. But generalizations aside, you're still basing an argument on nothing more than feelings.
Logic, if you please sir.

 

[Spiderman]

It is a complicated phenomenon, to so crudely put it down to "fruit of lust" is to grossly oversimplify it. But sure, lust can play a part. So can environmental factors.


When you removed their voice. Such omission is negative. And if one is to treat men ill, usually the treatment of women isn't rosy. But generalizations aside, you're still basing an argument on nothing more than feelings.
Logic, if you please sir.

I don't know what you are talking about. How is encouraging men to mortify and control their lusts and condemning hedonism and the vice of lust lacking any logic?

Sure I'm being simple, but the solution to avoiding unwanted pregnancies is purging oneself of unruly passion, exercising self-control, avoiding fornication and adultery. It's not easy but the answer is simple and logical.

Logic:
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
"experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic"
synonyms: reasoning, line of reasoning, rationale, argument, argumentation

I fail to see how my argument isn't rational. I'm saying self-control, self-discipline, avoiding fornication and adultery, and purity of heart is the answer to avoiding unwanted pregnancies. It's totally rational, logical, and obvious. Not easy though

And women should have as much voice in this as men.

You misjudged me.

 

[Spiderman]

I guess I should have chosen a different title for the thread, but sex is being abused and the cost is an epidemic of STDs, abortions, broken hearts, incarcerations, broken marriages, broken families, and trillions of dollars to clean up the mess that sex outside of marriage and the sexual revolution has brought upon us.

 

[Laika]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

Your heart is in the right place Popeadope, but as much as this idea can be out right terrifying, it has to be kept in mind that 151,600 people die in a day and 6,316 people die in an hour. This is all day, every day. If death is an evil, it is rather less exceptional than we would want to think it is. You're one person and you can't save everyone. Even Jesus died on the Cross trying to do so.

If this point needed illustrating here's a world death clock. At time of posting its currently at 54.9 million for this year. That's not exactly what you want to hear, but it will save you some pain thinking that you have to change the world to live up to your ideals. There is a tendency to feel guilty about things that you don't have the power to change and I've found that it is not always healthy to listen to it. It just causes you so much unhappiness in the long-run.

If you focus on things you can change, You can make a difference that way. If life is a gift, its best not to waste it gripped by fear and hatred at the cruelty of the world, but to make the most of it by doing what you can.

 

[Spiderman]

Sure women lust too but the lusts of men is the problem I'm addressing because it is primarily men responsible for rape, incest, pornography addiction, and pressuring and manipulation for the purpose of sex outside of marriage.