The Mental Illness Question

[MARCELLO]

For your information,I am not mentally ill(or maybe I am ill) ,I will donate all of my money I gained/saved to the people in need.What else can I do for you? A blow job? Is it what you have been asking for ? Sorry,use my money,nothing more....

 

[MARCELLO]

Your will determines if you do anything about your toothache or not. It is, very much so, a thing in medicine, at least in psychology.

You have almost no information about medicine. I tell you again ; there is no ''will '' in medicine since the will cannot be measured . Will you insist on this?

 

[MARCELLO]

Your will determines if you do anything about your toothache or not. It is, very much so, a thing in medicine, at least in psychology.

Prove that please.

 

[1137]

You have almost no information about medicine. I tell you again ; there is no ''will '' in medicine since the will cannot be measured . Will you insist on this?

I have studied psychology for many years now, I understand medicine and will to an above average degree. Will, actually, can be measured. For example, we can recognize low motivation in individuals with depression.

Prove that please.

Um, OK? You know how you decide what to do in any given situation? That can be and is often called will. Someone with extreme depression which has caused them to lose their will, for example, is less likely to take their meds and go to therapy. It's a horrible paradox, trust me. I do agree that will is dependant on many things, rather than something almost mystical that many make it out to be, but it still exists. There's also the idea of will power. Physically alone I could never climb a mountain because of my spine, but will power allows us to push through and get to the top anyways.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Really? Do you really believe that self hate (which is definitely a medical illness in the medical catalogue )

It's not in the DSM or ICD. Which means it isn't considered a psychiatric condition or illness.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was wondering who Marcello was talking to. I see that it's 1137, whom I've had on ignore for months. No loss. Carry on.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Really? Do you really believe that self hate (which is definitely a medical illness in the medical catalogue )can be cured,really honestly I am asking? My grand-grand parents,grand parents,aunties,uncles,father,par alliance relatives are all medical professionals which means I cannot be out of a reach of medicine or professional help.

All medicines about mental problems just postpone the day you gonna kill yourself. They only make you sleep and cause loss of memory. Vodka does the same easier .

Do you know how many times I spitted on the mirror in the bathroom,just because I hate to see my face on the mirror? Do you know how I feel terrified and angry if I see myself by chance on a sort of glaze ?

Help? No thank you,coz you can't.

It's best not to bother with the sanctimonious and shaming lecturing of those who haven't gone through the hell of severe depressive episodes. I'm on a high dose of Zoloft and I still wish I were dead and feel hopeless many times. I feel like that now.

 

[MARCELLO]

I have studied psychology for many years now, I understand medicine and will to an above average degree. Will, actually, can be measured. For example, we can recognize low motivation in individuals with depression.



Um, OK? You know how you decide what to do in any given situation? That can be and is often called will. Someone with extreme depression which has caused them to lose their will, for example, is less likely to take their meds and go to therapy. It's a horrible paradox, trust me. I do agree that will is dependant on many things, rather than something almost mystical that many make it out to be, but it still exists. There's also the idea of will power. Physically alone I could never climb a mountain because of my spine, but will power allows us to push through and get to the top anyways.

Psychologists without a medical diploma cannot prescribe medicines ,a four /five year diploma will never do that. Psychologists are totally different than psychiatrists (who are doctors) Do you really know the huge difference between them? There is almost no difference between a socialist and psychologist ,it is no way medical.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Psychologists without a medical diploma cannot prescribe medicines

Generally, this is true, but for no good (any plenty a bad) reason..

a four /five year diploma will never do that.

Clinical psychologists spend VASTLY much more time studying mental health issues than do psychiatrists to earn their doctorate. Psychiatrists obtain a medical degree because they spend years learning about medical issues that are completely irrelevant to mental health. Then they spend the last little bit of their education/training specializing in mental health. Clinical psychologists spend more time in graduate school studying mental health than psychiatrists do in their entire education.

Psychologists are totally different than psychiatrists (who are doctors)

True. Psychologists have to actually know the research on mental health issues while psychiatrists must be indoctrinated.

Do you really know the huge difference between them?

Yes. Psychologists (or clinical psychologists) have to study mental health, while psychiatrists have to study medicine which currently can't explain or really model anything related to mental health other than by definition and psychiatrists must assert that the nature of mental illness is such that psychiatrists ought to be considered the experts because they defined all mental health issues to be illnesses by definition (and by definitions they can't defend and which research doesn't support). Also, they don't have the therapeutic training or background that clinical psychologists do.

There is almost no difference between a socialist and psychologist

Other than that of the complete difference. Many a neuroscientist and (MD) neurologist have more in common with one another and with a clinical psychologist than with a psychiatrist.

 

[1137]

Psychologists without a medical diploma cannot prescribe medicines ,a four /five year diploma will never do that. Psychologists are totally different than psychiatrists (who are doctors) Do you really know the huge difference between them? There is almost no difference between a socialist and psychologist ,it is no way medical.

Um, yes it is. There is a lot more to medical health that the prescriptions of medication. Physical therapy is also a medical field that cannot prescribe medicine, but people should do their physical therapy after surgery. In fact, surviving WITHOUT medicine is always the goal, it's just sometimes not possible.

@Saint Frankenstein , you liked this? You were just doing an AMA on Luciferian gnosis! Christ man, get it together.

 

[1137]

I was wondering who Marcello was talking to. I see that it's 1137, whom I've had on ignore for months. No loss. Carry on.

Makes sense, the most ignorant always block people. He'll unblock me on his next manic swing. Considering I was blocked for stating things like racism and economical inequality might be bigger problems than non traditional sex, I wouldn't feel too great @MARCELLO

 

[MARCELLO]

Generally, this is true, but for no good (any plenty a bad) reason..

Clinical psychologists spend VASTLY much more time studying mental health issues than do psychiatrists to earn their doctorate. Psychiatrists obtain a medical degree because they spend years learning about medical issues that are completely irrelevant to mental health. Then they spend the last little bit of their education/training specializing in mental health. Clinical psychologists spend more time in graduate school studying mental health than psychiatrists do in their entire education.


True. Psychologists have to actually know the research on mental health issues while psychiatrists must be indoctrinated.


Yes. Psychologists (or clinical psychologists) have to study mental health, while psychiatrists have to study medicine which currently can't explain or really model anything related to mental health other than by definition and psychiatrists must assert that the nature of mental illness is such that psychiatrists ought to be considered the experts because they defined all mental health issues to be illnesses by definition (and by definitions they can't defend and which research doesn't support). Also, they don't have the therapeutic training or background that clinical psychologists do.


Other than that of the complete difference. Many a neuroscientist and (MD) neurologist have more in common with one another and with a clinical psychologist than with a psychiatrist.

I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. In order to receive a medicine diploma you have to know (at least 70 %,maybe more you need ) of human body and its contradictions. (that's how they do it in Europe where I belong to ) And it takes lots of years just to be called a doctor just to be labeled for general practitioner which means almost nothing unless you live in a village where a doctor is someone exceptional,given that you live in USA,it means nothing to you.

Why don't you trust my true knowledge? Not just my grand parents but my grand-grand parents are even doctors,like almost my entire family.

Have you got any idea about the simple soap we use at my home(for hygienic reasons) ? Try to figure it out yourself ,coz it is none of my business.

I am sure that there are plenty of doctors in this forum agreeing with what I stated above.

I want to kill myself if I am brave enough to do that,no doctor can cure that( do you bet with me?) Coz I feel I am not the right one to suffer for all these stuff,why should I care?

And I will do that .

There is '' simply'' no doctor or medicine that can cure self hate. Do you bet with me?

 

[MARCELLO]

Makes sense, the most ignorant always block people. He'll unblock me on his next manic swing. Considering I was blocked for stating things like racism and economical inequality might be bigger problems than non traditional sex, I wouldn't feel too great @MARCELLO

Are you a comedian? I am sorry but nobody enjoys your stuff here.

 

[MARCELLO]

Makes sense, the most ignorant always block people. He'll unblock me on his next manic swing. Considering I was blocked for stating things like racism and economical inequality might be bigger problems than non traditional sex, I wouldn't feel too great @MARCELLO

Traditional sex???? You make me laugh . Pls try to explain me what is an untraditional sex.

 

[1137]

Traditional sex???? You make me laugh . Pls try to explain me what is an untraditional sex.

Well I don't know why you ignored the post relevant to this thread, but I suppose it's your thread anyways. Non-traditional sex from the religious perspective is sex that violates the traditional norms. For example, sex for pleasure, bondage, homosexuality, anal sex, and so on all are nontraditional sex for groups like orthodox Christianity and similar things. In the case of Frank, it's Catholicism when things get rough, which is where we broke apart because he couldn't understand why things like racial inequality might just, ever so possibly, be a bigger issue than me consensually tying up my girlfriend.

Back on topic, do you only equate medicine with actual pills? Can you address my points on counseling and physical therapy, for example?

 

[1137]

I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. In order to receive a medicine diploma you have to know (at least 70 %,maybe more you need ) of human body and its contradictions. (that's how they do it in Europe where I belong to ) And it takes lots of years just to be called a doctor just to be labeled for general practitioner which means almost nothing unless you live in a village where a doctor is someone exceptional,given that you live in USA,it means nothing to you.

Having a random doctorate degree doesn't mean one is medically involved at all (such as a doctor of philosophy). Meanwhile counselors, therapists, some natural paths, masseurs, none need a doctorate to get certified.

Why don't you trust my true knowledge? Not just my grand parents but my grand-grand parents are even doctors,like almost my entire family.

That's great, are you being educated in a medical area as well? I'm currently working on a masters in counseling to aid those with medical issues, both mental and physical. I won't be prescribing pills, I might not even be diagnosing, and yet I'll still be in "medicine". My last physical therapist had more certifications than I could count, yet I don't even think he had a masters, not did he need one.

I am sure that there are plenty of doctors in this forum agreeing with what I stated above.

That nothing can ever help anyone so they should kill themselves? Where are these psychopathic doctors?

I want to kill myself if I am brave enough to do that,no doctor can cure that( do you bet with me?) Coz I feel I am not the right one to suffer for all these stuff,why should I care?

And I will do that .

There is '' simply'' no doctor or medicine that can cure self hate. Do you bet with me?

I would never make bets with someone threatening their own lives. What I do know is that a patient must invest in their own recovery, which as someone on both sides is probably the hardest part. Depression and personality disorders are horrible things, the way they fight against is absolutely crazy. Unlike, say, when I cut my finger and rush to the hospital, if I have depression/paranoia/etc I'm actually going to avoid treatment BECAUSE I'm sick. It's quite ****ty. Further, I know that people who talk about killing themselves freely, and especially online, do so because they are actually hoping for another option. Rarely do you see someone who just wants to die, but they want to die because of something they can't fix. For me, my suicidal ideology mostly comes from my chronic illnesses and straight from depressed episodes themselves, since my view of myself becomes wholly negative. For others it may vary.

Finally what I know is that this is not a way to effectively cause any change. Forums are good to an extent for this, especially depression and suicide forums, but other avenues need to be sought for help.

 

[Deidre]

I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. In order to receive a medicine diploma you have to know (at least 70 %,maybe more you need ) of human body and its contradictions. (that's how they do it in Europe where I belong to ) And it takes lots of years just to be called a doctor just to be labeled for general practitioner which means almost nothing unless you live in a village where a doctor is someone exceptional,given that you live in USA,it means nothing to you.

Why don't you trust my true knowledge? Not just my grand parents but my grand-grand parents are even doctors,like almost my entire family.

Have you got any idea about the simple soap we use at my home(for hygienic reasons) ? Try to figure it out yourself ,coz it is none of my business.

I am sure that there are plenty of doctors in this forum agreeing with what I stated above.

I want to kill myself if I am brave enough to do that,no doctor can cure that( do you bet with me?) Coz I feel I am not the right one to suffer for all these stuff,why should I care?

And I will do that .

There is '' simply'' no doctor or medicine that can cure self hate. Do you bet with me?

Hi Marcello

I'm just curious, are you speaking in generalities here, or about yourself, specifically?

 

[Smart_Guy]

I want to kill myself if I am brave enough to do that,no doctor can cure that( do you bet with me?) Coz I feel I am not the right one to suffer for all these stuff,why should I care?

My friend, please don't say that (are you really talking about yourself?). Please check the last two lines in my signature below. Also, if doing it is bravery, then I think standing up to life and face its challenges is the real bravery.

Please don't say that. You know I like you

 

[MARCELLO]

My friend, please don't say that (are you really talking about yourself?). Please check the last two lines in my signature below. Also, if doing it is bravery, then I think standing up to life and face its challenges is the real bravery.

Please don't say that. You know I like you

Thank you so much for sincerity, I do like you too . I think I am recovering. I really don't know what happened to me within these a few days; too too much work stress made me like this. When I can not be successful,I collapse.

I decided,I will stay alive .

 

[MARCELLO]

Hi Marcello

I'm just curious, are you speaking in generalities here, or about yourself, specifically?

It was all about me ,I suddenly found myself at the edge of a cliff and too worthless. I am getting better now.