The miracle of the Quran

[noh950]

And yet, you did not answer my question.
If I can show you that the above claim is wrong, will you stop using it and stop claiming that the Quran is confirmed by science?

Let's see what you have...

 

[jarofthoughts]

Let's see what you have...

Still not answering my question.
I won't bother going through the trouble of utterly and completely invalidating your claim without at least some kind of commitment.
I'm tired of providing sources, evidence and peer reviewed papers to you religious folk just so you can shrug and keep rehashing the same arguments as if they've never been refuted.

So, if I can show you that your claim is wrong, will you or will you not stop using it in addition to stop claiming that the Quran is confirmed by science?

 

[elmarna]

Thank you for your post. If the waters of life are not important -then why do we thirst?
it has been proven that our state of being is almost all water!
I find it a comfort that in it there is something i can call upon to see my needs met & a satisfied feeling in takeing it in!

 

[noh950]

Still not answering my question.
I won't bother going through the trouble of utterly and completely invalidating your claim without at least some kind of commitment.
I'm tired of providing sources, evidence and peer reviewed papers to you religious folk just so you can shrug and keep rehashing the same arguments as if they've never been refuted.

So, if I can show you that your claim is wrong, will you or will you not stop using it in addition to stop claiming that the Quran is confirmed by science?

Which claim ?

 

[elmarna]

it is when you call upon a concept & responding to it as a truth=claim

 

[noh950]

Okay show us what you have jarofthoughts.

 

[YmirGF]

Okay show us what you have jarofthoughts.

Still not answering my question.
I won't bother going through the trouble of utterly and completely invalidating your claim without at least some kind of commitment.
I'm tired of providing sources, evidence and peer reviewed papers to you religious folk just so you can shrug and keep rehashing the same arguments as if they've never been refuted.

So, if I can show you that your claim is wrong, will you or will you not stop using it in addition to stop claiming that the Quran is confirmed by science?

It is a yes or no question, noh950. Provide the answer to that specific question and I am confident that jarofthoughts will attempt to enlighten you with the facts.

While we are at it, are amoeba created in pairs? Are there mommy and daddy amoeba?

 

[elmarna]

in all being said here...
GOD IS LIFE
to prove what he is or how someone feels about god is found in how he sees & feels!
if the Quran is the source of inspiration for him then he will stand by those judgements.
why you question the ways of which he speaks-where is your valid reasons for feeling his words are unwise ?
tell your side of how you see ymrGF !!

 

[YmirGF]

tell your side of how you see ymrGF !!

But this isn't about me. This is about the veracity of opinions that conclude the Qur'an speaks of scientific truths and as such, are miracles. Forgive me, I really do have an open mind, but not so open as to allow my brains to roll out onto the floor. The only way any of these ridiculous claims of scientific miraculous truths occurring in the Qur'an is by stretching the meanings of the given ayats beyond all credulity.

In answer to the question, "How could an illiterate man know these things?" The answer is clear, he didn't, those who think he did are imagining things and reading things into the original text that simply are not there.

 

[elmarna]

every one wants to champion & support their beliefs with the choices thet have considered.
Mohammad [peace be upon him] -was able to see & descrbe things without "knowing"
It is a faith in a world that can deliver a message without haveing to support it in a mind so considering in the form it comes from!
What you are asking of the man who put up this post is not likely to be in the way he sees or looks at his faith.
There has been scientific proof backing the claims of islam & the people have shared that the truth supports them. Yet, her we are with a question if there is a formula that is not applied.
THAT IS NOT HOW ISLAM WORKS!!

 

[Wombat]

Originally Posted by noh950
that the heavens and the earth ware joined together as one united piece, then We parted them ?

That's just misleading, at best. It can't be interpreted as true without some severe mangling of the phrase "one piece."

Nothing "misleading" about it at all.
The concept and intent is crystal clear.
Everything we see in the physical heavens was once "joined together".
A remarkable and accurate observation/revelation.

Yusuf Ali:
[021:030] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

The Expanding Universe
Verse [51:47] says in one translation "And the sky (i.e. universe) was built by Us with might; and indeed We are the expanders"[10], and in another "We will continue to expand it.

All matter once "joined together" then "cleft asunder", the universe "expanding" and
"from water every living thing".

I guess he just forgot to put in the bit about the world resting on the back of elephants standing on the back of a great turtle.

Lucky huh.

 

[beenie]

Why can't people have faith without having to relate scientific facts to it? I'm strong enough in my faith to know that God doesn't have to prove His knowledge to us in a book..even Holy ones. The Qur'an is not a science book; those who follow the Qur'an will see its value for what it is, a Holy Book. Those that don't, won't. The anecdotal scientific evidence argued ad nauseam is not going to convince anyone (even some Muslims).

 

[PolyHedral]

Why can't people have faith without having to relate scientific facts to it?

Because how on earth would you know that your faith was correct? Believing something you do not know to be true because it sounds like a nice idea is the pinnacle of intellectual dishonesty.

 

[elmarna]

beliefs are a powerful thing. those who support them are not likely to ask questions.
it is best to be described as when you respond to them it is the faith you have in them that carries your service . I have faith in you. It needs no scientific facts to guide me.
THANK YOU PolyHedral !
VERY NICE COMMENT

 

[Badran]

Because how on earth would you know that your faith was correct? Believing something you do not know to be true because it sounds like a nice idea is the pinnacle of intellectual dishonesty.

Another thing which is also dishonest is intentionally misrepresenting other people's positions.

 

[YmirGF]

Another thing which is also dishonest is intentionally misrepresenting other people's positions.

Which is precisely what the "Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an" crowd are doing.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Which claim ?

This claim, when you said: "The modern day scientists have proved that everything, even the vegetations is present in pairs, one of them is a male and the other is a female. But nobody knew this fact when the Quran was being revealed."

 

[bain-druie]

All things in the world were created in pairs :

The modern day scientists have proved that everything, even the vegetations is present in pairs, one of them is a male and the other is a female. But nobody knew this fact when the Quran was being revealed.This fact was clearly mentioned in the Quran. God sayas:
"And We send down water from the sky and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein". (31,10)
"And it is He Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought".(13,3)
"Glory be to Him Who created all the sexual pairs, of that which the earth groweth, and of themselves, and of that which they know not!"(36,36).

 

[Jose Fly]

Same question I always ask in these threads (and have yet to receive a decent answer to): If all this information was really in the Quran all these years ago, why weren't Muslims going around the world telling all the scientists these things? Why weren't Muslim scientists the ones to figure all this stuff out about the universe? They had all this information, right?

 

[averageJOE]

Is noh950 here to debate something or just post quran verses?