The miracle of the Quran

[Cain]

Same question I always ask in these threads (and have yet to receive a decent answer to): If all this information was really in the Quran all these years ago, why weren't Muslims going around the world telling all the scientists these things? Why weren't Muslim scientists the ones to figure all this stuff out about the universe? They had all this information, right?

Better yet . . . why aren't there ANY Muslim scientists?

 

[YmirGF]

Better yet . . . why aren't there ANY Muslim scientists?

Oh come now, there are a few. There are even a couple who have won a Nobel Prize.

 

[darkendless]

Originally Posted by noh950
that the heavens and the earth ware joined together as one united piece, then We parted them ?



Nothing "misleading" about it at all.
The concept and intent is crystal clear.
Everything we see in the physical heavens was once "joined together".
A remarkable and accurate observation/revelation.

It could mean many things. What I love about these debates is how those that post these loaded verses cannot seem to see how what they post could mean several things.

What is also amusing is how propoentents of these verses know "for sure" that their interpretation is the right one

 

[England my lionheart]

These threads always seem to end the same way,all these claims actually achieve is an invitation to ridicule,from the miracle of number 19 in the Qur'an to Mountains as Pegs they are only impressive to Muslims,to me they just seem ambiguous mumbo jumbo.

 

[Cain]

Oh come now, there are a few. There are even a couple who have won a Nobel Prize.

I stand completely corrected . . . :foot: List of Muslim scientists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Wombat]

It could mean many things.

And your arguement becomes overwhelming in regard the "many things" you have identified as alternative meanings.

What I love about these debates is how those that post these loaded verses cannot seem to see how what they post could mean several things..

And what I love about these debates is that you think saying there are "many" meanings then reducing it to "several" without actually having put forward >one<....somehow constitutes "debate".

All you offer is a furphy.

'Meaning' thereof will be ascertained in accord with language, culture, age, experience, education...............or base capacity to Google.

What is also amusing is how propoentents of these verses know "for sure" that their interpretation is the right one

When confronted with verse,poem,scripture that has the potential for metaphor-("Let the dead bury the dead") I'm happy to do so.

But while you are "amused" I find it hysterical that anyone ought go looking for "the right interpretation" when you cannot even suggest a single alternative interpretation.

So let's try a few...

Heavens "joined together" could mean "Superglue is not for you sunshine...go tell your mother she wants you"?

"all life from the water" could mean "Don't come the raw prawn"

"Expanding" universe could mean "Shut the dunny door and go thank your mother for the rabbits"?

 

[darkendless]

And your arguement becomes overwhelming in regard the "many things" you have identified as alternative meanings.

Why waste my time when you will shoot them down anyway? Its not just the one you quoted, if you havn't read the rest of the thread there are about 20 passages covering a range of topics.

And what I love about these debates is that you think saying there are "many" meanings then reducing it to "several" without actually having put forward >one<....somehow constitutes "debate".

All you offer is a furphy.

'Meaning' thereof will be ascertained in accord with language, culture, age, experience, education...............or base capacity to Google.

There is not much of a debate. More like preaching and then the original poster being scared off when their religious scripture is treated with less respect than they expected.

I remember once we argued this verse: [Yusufali 15:26] We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;

Muslims debated that humans were actually made of clay because we share common elements. Do you see what i'm getting at here. The verse could be symbolic, it could be literal, it could mean more than one thing.

When confronted with verse,poem,scripture that has the potential for metaphor-("Let the dead bury the dead") I'm happy to do so.

But while you are "amused" I find it hysterical that anyone ought go looking for "the right interpretation" when you cannot even suggest a single alternative interpretation.

So let's try a few...

Heavens "joined together" could mean "Superglue is not for you sunshine...go tell your mother she wants you"?

"all life from the water" could mean "Don't come the raw prawn"

"Expanding" universe could mean "Shut the dunny door and go thank your mother for the rabbits"?

Heavens, what heavens? Does it mean only the sky? The solar system? The whole universe? All life from water? What water? Where does it come from? Not very specific or useful.

My problem with Quranic miracles is their lack of detail and ambiguity. Poetic writing lends nothing to these so called miracles. How is anyone meant to tell if they're symbolic or literal?

 

[Milind2469]

I guess he just forgot to put in the bit about the world resting on the back of elephants standing on the back of a great turtle.

Lucky huh.

Did you have to mention some words from one of the Hindu books (out of Hundreds...some may be pointing to more accurate facts...but you chose to ignore them) to convince non-Muslims about Islam?

Could you not have done it based only on your books?

 

[England my lionheart]

Did you have to mention some words from one of the Hindu books (out of Hundreds...some may be pointing to more accurate facts...but you chose to ignore them) to convince non-Muslims about Islam?

Could you not have done it based only on your books?

Guess they can't,all these miracles yet it took 1400 years for them to see them,well thanks to Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi who got the ball rolling then Deedat followed by Dr Zakir Naik they continue to churn out this nonsense which all seems a bit desperate to me,if they have to resort to claims such as these to substantiate their faith and recruit bodies then its very sad IMO.

 

[Wombat]

Did you have to mention some words from one of the Hindu books (out of Hundreds...some may be pointing to more accurate facts...but you chose to ignore them) to convince non-Muslims about Islam?

No.
Did you have to assume it was a reference to Hindu scripture and not contemporary Terry Pratchett- Diskworld?

Could you not have done it based only on your books?

Sadly...my books remain unfinished and unpublished...Pratchett's are very popular.

 

[ninerbuff]

All things in the world were created in pairs :

The modern day scientists have proved that everything, even the vegetations is present in pairs, one of them is a male and the other is a female. But nobody knew this fact when the Quran was being revealed.This fact was clearly mentioned in the Quran. God sayas:
"And We send down water from the sky and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein". (31,10)
"And it is He Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought".(13,3)
"Glory be to Him Who created all the sexual pairs, of that which the earth groweth, and of themselves, and of that which they know not!"(36,36).

What? No mention of asexual reproduction?

 

[PolyHedral]

No.
Did you have to assume it was a reference to Hindu scripture and not contemporary Terry Pratchett- Diskworld?

Well, it's a fair assumption, since that's where Pratchett got the idea.

 

[ellenjanuary]

There's a disconnect!

Mohammed was kicking it with his peeps, who were like, "show us a magic trick!"

And Mohammed's like "I ain't all down with the misdirection of Sign and Wonder, there shall be no miraculousness from this quarter..."

 

[YmirGF]

Well, it's a fair assumption, since that's where Pratchett got the idea.

Details, details, details...

 

[Vendetta]

I am sorry I think the fact that the use of the word miracle, and Quran will cause immediate critique. But what of homosexuality? There are obvious structural differences in gay male brains in comparison to straight female brains along with hormonal changes. Not to mention various species that commence in homosexual activity. So God not only allows this anomaly but forbids it at the same time and doesn't say anything about other creatures?

 

[Embarkon]

The universe was notthing but hase and smoke:


"Then he looked at the sky which was all haze at that time; He said to the sky and earth, "be, whether you like it or not", Both said, "we are, like those who obey" (32, verse 11)

Maurice Bucaille writres:
"The presence of smoke in the beginning of the universe, which is started in the Quran, and which is composed of gases is exactly the same idea which science is propagating today" (page:83),

I'll post more miracles if the almighty God will.

Really Really now
sO WHERE exactly did the smoke and gases come from, come come tell me

 

[crocusj]

Really Really now
sO WHERE exactly did the smoke and gases come from, come come tell me

Well, why don't you?

 

[Godobeyer]

Try telling that to the Egyptians as they relied on the inundation of the Nile every year to survive.

How about the Dogon tribe, much older than the Quran, they precisely state in their ancient records that Life sprang from the Sea.

But this is all irrelevant, since Carbon is the most important element for Life.

were where the Jews in the Egyptians age ? in the WC ? Just joking

look brother no one proof that these miracles already discover by Egyptians ...etc

water is more important than the carbon , we can live without carbon or any thing else but you cant live without water

 

[jarofthoughts]

water is more important than the carbon , we can live without carbon or any thing else but you cant live without water

:no:

Errr... No.
We cannot.
We can't live without carbon, nitrogen and a whole range of other elements.

 

[Godobeyer]

Really Really now
sO WHERE exactly did the smoke and gases come from, come come tell me

it's realy good question , I guess gas and smoke created by God ?
the God did not told us how he creat the smoke ? or how he creat angels and hell or heaven ?
exactly as he told us how he creat Adam but he did not told us how he created the soul that he put in Adam ...or us for exemple .

in the matter of the smoke this what God said in Quran and this is what the science proof