Wait, is the shape of the nose a deciding factor in civilized-ness?
I'm confused
Just the flow of discussion: the idea was that the Anglo-Saxons were/are beautiful but contributed nothing to civilization, and that the Greeks were/are ugly but created civilization. I was disputing that.
The nose is the biggest, greatest, most @#$%^-est... etc. factor in my taste of facial beauty, then come other features but not even close to the importance of the nose. That is why I'm attracted to anime girls more
Exactly my point. ^_^