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[Estro Felino]

I am asking what should be done. What is YOUR preferred choice of action if you want peace, and you want Russia to remove their troops, but they refuse to remove their troops.

I think I have repeated it a thousand times.
Through negotiations. There are tens (if not hundreds) of standardized procedures of negotiation between two belligerent parties. That's why the United Nations were founded.
There are so many lawyers specialized in diplomacy, peace talks. In these procedures.
As far as I know, Putin wants to negotiate.
Does the other party want to negotiate?

 

[Aupmanyav]

It was a mistake to let him get away with it in Crimea back in 2014.

Ukraine's mistake was to align too closely with Western countries knowing that the big brother will not like it. Petro Poroshenko started it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I think I have repeated it a thousand times.
Through negotiations. There are tens (if not hundreds) of standardized procedures of negotiation between two belligerent parties. That's why the United Nations were founded.
There are so many lawyers specialized in diplomacy, peace talks. In these procedures.
As far as I know, Putin wants to negotiate.
Does the other party want to negotiate?

Putin has said he wants to negotiate. And he also said a prerequisite for peace negotiations is an unconditional surrender. Now they are being pushed back, they are demanding peace talks on the assumption that the currently annexed territories remain under Russia's control.

Putin does not want peace. Period.

Putin wants Ukraine. Period.

So, what do you do when a man like Putin invades a country and refuses to negotiate peace without a total or partial surrender of territory?

What compromise do you believe Putin is willing to accept that doesn't involve Russia annexing at least a huge portion of Ukraine? He is not in a position to make demands of Ukraine or any other country. You do not sue for peace by giving warmongering fascists what they want, and you do not bend over backwards to please people when they invade their neighbours.

Your logic is as if I had broken into your house and refused to leave without you giving your house - or, at the very least, several of its rooms - over to me, and until I get what I want I will keep squatting in your house and punching you in the face. Do you think it reasonable at that point for someone to say "Well, you may not like it, but it's best we don't try to kick them out - because that would be likely require fighting him, and fighting is bad. We should negotiate with him."

No, you would not think that's reasonable. Because I broke into your house and attacked you. I have no right to your house, I have no right to hit you. I should not be there. I have no right to negotiate with you over my share of your house.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Honestly I don't care about religious-motivated wars in the Middle East..

Well you should..
This modern world is a global one, and things have a knock on effect.
I suppose you don't care what goes on in Syria or Palestine, either.

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin has said he wants to negotiate. And he also said a prerequisite for peace negotiations is an unconditional surrender..

Exactly what we did in 1943.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well you should..
This modern world is a global one, and things have a knock on affect.
I suppose you don't care what goes on in Syria or Palestine, either.

I am not informed. I know nothing about it. I exclusively know the Libyan question in detail.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Exactly what we did in 1943.

So you want Ukraine to totally surrender to Russia?

Also, show the common courtesy of reading my posts in the whole and responding to them in good faith. Do not simply read and respond to a single sentence.

 

[Estro Felino]

So you want Ukraine to totally surrender to Russia?

Also, show the common courtesy of reading my posts in the whole and responding to them in good faith. Do not simply read and respond to a single sentence.

The treaty of truce is signed after negotiations. Not before.
Let negotiations take place first.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The treaty of truce is signed after negotiations. Not before.
Let negotiations take place first.

Putin wants Ukraine to SURRENDER before negotiations can begin. He has made it a PREREQUISITE FOR PEACE NEGOTIATIONS.

So, what should be done?

 

[Aupmanyav]

That he is corned is in his mind.

Whatever, but he is the person that we now have to deal with.

What compromise do you believe Putin is willing to accept that doesn't involve Russia annexing at least a huge portion of Ukraine? He is not in a position to make demands of Ukraine or any other country. You do not sue for peace by giving warmongering fascists what they want, and you do not bend over backwards to please people when they invade their neighbors.

OK, OK. Go ahead. Has Ukraine dug tunnels in case Russia uses the bombs?

So you want Ukraine to totally surrender to Russia?

Peace talks do not mean surrender. I do not think Putin wants Ukraine's surrender. Check how the situation can be dealt with. No talks mean continuation of war.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Whatever, but he is the person that we now have to deal with.

No, he is one of the persons. He is not the only person.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

OK, OK. Go ahead. Has Ukraine dug tunnels in case Russia uses the bombs?

What exactly are you asking?

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin wants Ukraine to SURRENDER before negotiations can begin. He has made it a PREREQUISITE FOR PEACE NEGOTIATIONS.

So, what should be done?

I have studied Russian. I usually read the direct source. As far as I know, Putin intends to negotiate.
Do you have a source that says he demands the capitulation?

 

[Aupmanyav]

No, he is one of the persons. He is not the only person.

Oh yes, there is NATO.

What exactly are you asking?

I am asking exactly what you have probably surmised. Enhanced radiation weapons (ERW). I do not know what all the parties may have in their arsenal.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Oh yes, there is NATO. ...

Yeah, but not Ukraine. Or the rest of the world.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The movers and shakers in this conflict are Putin and NATO. Ukraine is fodder, collateral.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The movers and shakers in this conflict are Putin and NATO. Ukraine is immaterial.

You are a lot of good things, but for this one you are not with humanity.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I am with humanity, that is why I want resolution of the conflict and not continuation of the war.
What is NATO trying for? Subjugation of Russia through destruction of Ukraine?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I am with humanity, that is why I want resolution of the conflict and not continuation of the war.
What is NATO trying for? Subjugation of Russia through destruction of Ukraine?

We really don't know as outsiders. The game isn't over yet.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't.
Absolutely not.
I condemn all wars. Regardless of who wages them.

And yet you say that Putin is right?

While complaining of double standards, no less?

Really?