The Necessity Of Jesus

[look3467]

Did I say 'merited works' or anything about works? Did I not say Grace? Quit putting words in my mouth.

Explain what grace means to you then.

Are not works required by the law? I mean, thou shalt not do this or that, require works of obedience, does it not?

And if works of obedience is required, the next question is, how much works is required for salvation?

Does grace mean then that God as Judge, will decide whether your works are sufficient for salvation, and if not, what then?

For the sake of illustration, lets say I was a god of great power and might, and decided to create human beings with powers of reason, and placed them in a deep hole in the ground to where it would be impossible for them to get out.

They would, according to their intelligence and selfishness lord over one another, war against each other, and live as thou that was all there is to life.

I, as god give them a law by which if they obey, I might bless them or curse them.

But the law I gave them was to strict that regardless of how hard they tried to obey all of them, if they were guilty of just braking one, they would be guilty of breaking all of them.

So, the situation was/is hopeless.

What I have to do then as their god, is sent another human being with a power of attorney, having my full investment of power, and fulfill the requirements of my own law for the sake of all those human beings I placed in that pit of hell.

Thus, my representative, fully invested with my powers, fulfills the law, to the letter, takes the punishment the humans exacted on Him as punishment for the whole human race, and now, I can create a new generations of mankind.

This new generation of mankind started not with the first Adam, but with the second Adam.

The first Adam brought life in the flesh and death, so there remained no possible way for salvation.

The second Adam, brought a quickening spirit, life, to all who would trust to believe in Him, Jesus.

Thus, you have the beginning of mankind as really begun, and not as with the first Adam.

Now, having gone through that explanation, you have a picture of what really transpired as God did the works for us, thus grace.

Blessings, AJ

 

[imaPK]

We've always been saved. Jesus just reaffirmed what was already so since the beginning.

Why did Jesus die? To release His Soul.

Is there another way the same ends could be achieved? There's more going on than you know. Before Christ could take His place He had to complete His bestowal mission (be human) so He could then assume His leadership position over this part of the universe. Christ had to have a human experience in order to understand us. Christ now controls the access to the higher dimensions and heaven, this is why He said "No one comes to the Father except through me."

I feel that your opinion has some errors that I'd like to address. First of all, we have not always been saved. Sin entered the world at the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12). Since that time, man has been born with what we call "original sin". Everyone is born a sinner: "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..." (Romans 5:19)

Secondly, Jesus did not have to die to release his soul. Jesus died for US so that we could be forgiven for our sins. Before Jesus was crucified, people had to bring a sacrifice to the temple and offer it up to God to be forgiven. The people were in a sense separated from God. But when Jesus died, no more sacrifices like this had to be given. The Bible says the curtain in the temple that separated the people from the "Holy of Holies" (where the Spirit of God came down) was ripped in two. Now we can reach God without having to offer an animal sacrifice: "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." (Romans 5: 9)

And lastly, the death of Christ was indeed the means to save us, and yes, no man can come to the Father but by Him, but He did not have to die "in order to assume his leadership position over this part of the universe." Before the foundations of the earth were laid, God had already ordained that Jesus would die for the sins of the world--there was no other way for salvation to come about. But Jesus has always had His authority and power: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." (John 1:1-4) He helped create us; He has always understood us; He has always had the authority and leadership of the world.