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The occult

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hindupridemn

Defender of the Truth
Would you consider astrology, chakras, and auras to be occultic? What's one person's occult may be another person's religious orthodoxy.
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Chuckii said:
Hi Mr Cheese; sorry for the ignorance here, but what is Hermeticism? (Not trying to argue, just genuinely don't know what the word means; apologies!)
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Hermeticism is a form of Gnosticism, in that it is a spiritual practise that values direct experience of the divine over scripture. This is arguably true of most traditional paths.

Hermeticism centers around the teachings of Hermes Trismigistos, (three time great Hermes)... who's texts have been found. Hermes is often tied in with the Egyptian God Thoth or Thoth the atlantean. Essentially Hermes is a messenger and scribe.

Depsite the ancient assertions of hermeticism, it has largely been proven it is only about 2000 years old. Hermeticism was largely revived around the 15-17th century when christianity decided that Islamic alchemy was "cool" and put their own "bent" on it.

Large well known figures such as John Dee (the court map maker, astrologist, seer, etc. to Elizabeth 1st, who actually was the originator of the idea of a British empire) who "discovered" the Hieroglyphic Monad:

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which is a complex symbol of unity and many other meanings....
Other key figures are of course people like Flammel(nicholas), Paracelsus, Christian Rosenkreutz, Isaac Newton and many others....

Hermeticism centers around the corpus Hermeticum, and other related texts.
The emerald tablet of Hermes is a very god summary:

True, without error, certain and most true: that which is above is as that which is below, and that which is below is as that which is above, to perform the miracles of the One Thing.

And as all things were from One, by the meditation of One, so from this One Thing come all things by adaptation. Its father is the Sun, its mother is the Moon, the wind carried it in its belly, the nurse thereof is the Earth.

It is the father of all perfection and the consummation of the whole world. Its power is integral if it be turned to Earth.

Thou shalt separate the Earth from the Fire, the subtle from the coarse, gently and with much ingenuity. It ascends from Earth to heaven and descends again to Earth, and receives the power of the superiors and the inferiors.

Thus thou hast the glory of the whole world; therefore let all obscurity flee before thee. This is the strong fortitude of all fortitude, overcoming every subtle and penetrating every solid thing. Thus the world was created. Hence are all wonderful adaptations, of which this is the manner.

Therefore am I called Hermes the Thrice Great, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. That is finished which I have to say concerning the operation of the Sun.

Essentially this is a treatise on the macro(god)cosm and micro(man)cosm...
or "As above, so below."....

Hermeticism centers around knowing yourself, your true self (Oracle at Delphi, Gnosti Seuton) and healing.
Hermeticims sees the world as broken and in need of repair. Through interaction of the divine the divine will be brought down into creation. Until as above is truly as below....
This is of course similar to tikkun Olam of the Jews..which is largely what free masons are involved in.

wiki says some stuff too
Hermeticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Not sure I completely agree. But I sure don't see what that (even if it's true) has to do with the statement that Chuck heard.
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It was in response to:

Now, I have a problem with this; even if they DID dabble in the occult (which they certainly don't seem to do so, even if they did it wouldn't bother me in the slightest) they shouldn't make themselves out to be superior to those around them in the local community. Regardless of religion/occultic practises.
I may be totally wrong, they may just be staging 'glamorous' events on a regular basis as a cover for occultic activity, but if they do so, they keep it completely under wraps.

How is masonary not a form of hermeticism?
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Mr Cheese said:
It was in response to:

Now, I have a problem with this; even if they DID dabble in the occult (which they certainly don't seem to do so, even if they did it wouldn't bother me in the slightest) they shouldn't make themselves out to be superior to those around them in the local community. Regardless of religion/occultic practises.
I may be totally wrong, they may just be staging 'glamorous' events on a regular basis as a cover for occultic activity, but if they do so, they keep it completely under wraps.

How is masonary not a form of hermeticism?
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It's not a religion.
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
If he's a real freemason, he is constrained from answering, except within the confines of a lodge, or to another freemason.

If he's not a real freemason, his answers wouldn't be reliable.
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I guess my answers would be unreliable...lol
masonary is more secretive of practises than actual beliefs.

For example: sacrfice of rubber chickens over coffee beans:secret

Joachim and Boaz: the pillars from solomons temple, referred to in kabbalah as the dark and light pillar (severity and mercy, often) not a secret

I am guessing you're a mason huh? lol
Although I am thinking not.

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2)to a freemason, what is a rosicrucian? A grade... a rather top one...
although some argue masons are the "children" of rosicrucians...although I dont beleive this is fully true..I assume you know what rosicrucians are....

3)What is the overall "goal" of freemasonary? And what is the hebrew term for it?

Tikkun Olam...
Healing is the overall large goal of Freemasonary....
as mentioned in another post..
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Mr Cheese said:
True, without error, certain and most true: that which is above is as that which is below, and that which is below is as that which is above, to perform the miracles of the One Thing.
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I never understood that until I read the Heart Sutra. "Form does not differ from emptiness."

But that's neither here nor there.
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
Mr Cheese said:
Hermeticism is not really a religion per se either....
:sarcastic do you really know what you are talking about?

Or are you pretending by saying "not in this forum" cough cough

:flirt:

good grief
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Occultism at it's best... erm... worst.... erm.... best.......

lolol
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Willamena said:
I never understood that until I read the Heart Sutra. "Form does not differ from emptiness."

But that's neither here nor there.
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right... its also explaining the idea that the human body is the universe in miniature...

a good explanation of the emerald tablet can be found at:

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/emertabl.html

although its far from "perfect" as with any such texts, its more what you understand of it, not what someone else does.

The Heart sutra is great BTW, I also like the diamond one....
I have only read a mere smattering of the huge body of Buddhist works...
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Mr Cheese said:
I guess my answers would be unreliable...lol
masonary is more secretive of practises than actual beliefs.

For example: sacrfice of rubber chickens over coffee beans:secret

Joachim and Boaz: the pillars from solomons temple, referred to in kabbalah as the dark and light pillar (severity and mercy, often) not a secret

I am guessing you're a mason huh? lol
Although I am thinking not.

....

2)to a freemason, what is a rosicrucian? A grade... a rather top one...
although some argue masons are the "children" of rosicrucians...although I dont beleive this is fully true..I assume you know what rosicrucians are....

3)What is the overall "goal" of freemasonary? And what is the hebrew term for it?

Tikkun Olam...
Healing is the overall large goal of Freemasonary....
as mentioned in another post..
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You said it -- I didn't.:beach:
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Mr Cheese said:
Hermeticism is not really a religion per se either....
:sarcastic do you really know what you are talking about?

Or are you pretending by saying "not in this forum" cough cough

:flirt:

good grief
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The way in which hermeticism is presented as its own structure -- whether it be religion, philosophy, etc -- is not true of freemasonry. They may share some of the same insights -- but not the same goals or structures.
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
The way in which hermeticism is presented as its own structure -- whether it be religion, philosophy, etc -- is not true of freemasonry. They may share some of the same insights -- but not the same goals or structures.
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really?

how do they differ?:sarcastic
 
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