The overwhelming episode of "Rape claim" & its effect on Males look towards females

[suncowiam]

Do you think, it is going to create enmity & staleness between males and females.

No.

Don't rape and I believe you should be fine.

I have confidence that false claims will be proven and those that make them, will be punished.

This is nothing about females versus males, but about accusers and the accused. The goal here is just to force the truth.

Either you have confidence in the system or you don't. And if the system fails, I hope the system can correct itself over time.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I enjoy kids. They're fun. But I wouldn't risk talking to one in a public place unless accompanied by an adult for fear that some hyper-vigilant adult would think me a pervert.

I'm the same. I barely even like being around other peoples' kids when their parents are with them.

I like women, and there was a time when I could engage in harmless flirtation with co-workers -- they'd start it half the time -- but no more. The risk is just too high.

I agree. I almost got the sack from my call centre job because a team coach (a somewhat middle position somewhere in between regular call-takers and team managers) misheard the tail end of something I was saying to another call-taker when she walked into the break room. I found out a week later someone had reported me for making comments about something sexual I would do to a colleague's mother and the only thing which kept me from the sack was the agency I was contracted with stepping in and saying I shouldn't be sacked because someone eavesdropped on an otherwise private conversation - and misheard what was said into the bargain.

I'm not really sure whether they immediately took her at her word because she was a team coach or because she was a woman.

 

[Jumi]

Not now..... not here, they don't.
Young men are adapting very quickly to the new culture which is developing....... they are changing.
Young men are visiting hair dressers more often, and having more individual and artistic hairstyles.
Young men are using cosmetics much more.
Young men are taking much more interest in their clothing and personal identification.
The girls are finding that they need to make more moves towards the boys, even 'hitting on' them for dates.

The whole scene is changing as the new culture 'imprints' upon both young women and men.

It's the mid-aged and older men who are finding change more difficult.

It's becoming less of a problem in the so-called west as population is more educated on such things, but there's more to be done.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hopefully she will be brought up in a society where male and female are treated equal. She's only one and a half.

That's not good enuf.
Both need better treatment.

 

[magid]

Thanks everyone, I'm so proud & delighted for your high intellectual debate.
Males & females destiny is to complete each other & collectively to maintain human race existence in the earth.
I think more education & training is needed to young, mid-aged & elderly about this issue.

 

[oldbadger]

In the Stone Age men used to club them and then drag them by the hair to their cave. Women never complained.

Blimey! You saw that stuff?
Got anything on U-tube?

Ummm..... I think you're a bit short on evidence for the clubbing dragging thing, aren't you?

Have you ever seen the results of somebody who has been head-clubbed?

Leave out the rhetoric and stick to the present day situation, eh?

 

[oldbadger]

It's becoming less of a problem in the so-called west as population is more educated on such things, but there's more to be done.

Surely..... but kids are finding their own way into the new world...... the young are equipped for that, I reckon.

This morning the Beeb showed a picture of Ronaldo and his accuser cuddled up together, touching heads, and I think this pic was taken before they went off up to a luxury hotel room, where she would later claim that he raped her. She later made claims and received £-$290,000 to go away, but now returns for Damocles type justice, or more money or more attention, or........

That's the Second Lesson for folks, DON;'T EVER GIVE IN TO CLAIMS WHICH YOU CLAIM ARE UNTRUE. NEVER PAY A PENNY TO LEGAL BLACKMAILERS. ALWAYS DEMAND A FULL TRIAL OR NOTHING.

The First lesson is don't touch people who chuck 'emselves at you until you really know them, I guess.

 

[Altfish]

Blimey! You saw that stuff?
Got anything on U-tube?

Ummm..... I think you're a bit short on evidence for the clubbing dragging thing, aren't you?

Have you ever seen the results of somebody who has been head-clubbed?

Leave out the rhetoric and stick to the present day situation, eh?

Ever heard of humour?

 

[oldbadger]

Thanks everyone, I'm so proud & delighted for your high intellectual debate.

We're obviously not bright enough for you.

Males & females destiny is to complete each other & collectively to maintain human race existence in the earth.
I think more education & training is needed to young, mid-aged & elderly about this issue.

Sure, but lots of humans are greedy dishonest self-centered folks, of both genders, and the new taboo which allows anybody to destroy anybody with claims from decades ago needs new responses and defences.

The only real defence to claims is to insist upon full allegations and statements to Police (which the defendant then gets copies of) and a full trial. If you cannot trust the courts system then all is lost anyway.

And sentences for rapes and rape-perjuries should be the same, I reckon.

 

[oldbadger]

Ever heard of humour?

You think my request for U-Tube was serious?

 

[Altfish]

You think my request for U-Tube was serious?

I was going to give you this...

 

[oldbadger]

I was going to give you this...

I loved watching the Flintstones....

Thing is, in the present mood amongst some folks the idea that man has always bashed and raped woman probably does actually feed their extremism about men in general.

If I was a young man today I would be very cautious about, say, '.meeting with a woman at a nightclub, offering her a lift and accepting any offer to 'come in for a coffee'.

And anybody who somehow gets rich should not be surprised if somebody later says that they were bad in the past.

 

[oldbadger]

Certain things happen only in the US.
I would suggest all American women to go lesbian....and as for American men, they can go for European women, as Trump did.
At least nobody will accuse them of rape here.

Well, in the UK hundreds of rape cases have crashed after it was discovered that police constabularies were withholding evidence which could help defences.

Women are making accusation in the UK, and any liars are being jailed.

 

[Jumi]

This morning the Beeb showed a picture of Ronaldo and his accuser cuddled up together, touching heads, and I think this pic was taken before they went off up to a luxury hotel room, where she would later claim that he raped her. She later made claims and received £-$290,000 to go away, but now returns for Damocles type justice, or more money or more attention, or........

I don't know the case, but I'll tell you it's not that simple.

I'll tell you another case, that I know. A restaurant owner flirted with a woman, took her to the back of the place willingly. She wanted to get to know him better, but she wasn't willing to go further, so he raped her. Then his brother also raped her. So is it proof that they were having a nice time before they got to his place? Not really.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you think, it is going to create enmity & staleness between males and females.

I suspect it's going to have a tempering effect.

But I do see stigmatization of women and males as a downside.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't know the case, but I'll tell you it's not that simple.

I'll tell you another case, that I know. A restaurant owner flirted with a woman, took her to the back of the place willingly. She wanted to get to know him better, but she wasn't willing to go further, so he raped her. Then his brother also raped her. So is it proof that they were having a nice time before they got to his place? Not really.

You cannot brush defence evidence off the table because of a totally differing incident where the couple were not photographed snuggling up, did not go up to a luxury hotel apartment, and where a multiple rape victim may well have called the police very soon afterwards?

How you can use a clear rape in the back of a business to compare with the Ronaldo incident amazes me.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the Stone Age men used to club them and then drag them by the hair to their cave. Women never complained.

Do you know why cave men dragged women by their hair?

Spoiler: Anthropologists have found the answer

If you dragged them by their feet, they'd fill up with mud.


I am so grateful for this thread coming into existence.
Long have I been waiting to use this historical nugget.

 

[Jumi]

You cannot brush defence evidence off the table because of a totally differing incident where the couple were not photographed snuggling up, did not go up to a luxury hotel apartment, and where a multiple rape victim may well have called the police very soon afterwards?

People often have a good time with scammers, rapists, serial killers and the like until things happen. Getting photographed having a good time before means nothing. Do we agree on this?

The victim in my case was still living at home with her parents, it was shameful so she didn't report it right after. As often happens in rape cases, they only make the case later on.

How you can use a clear rape in the back of a business to compare with the Ronaldo incident amazes me.

It was an example of having a good time before something bad happened. Not a "comparison". The restaurant rape case though, the perps got away with it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do you think, it is going to create enmity & staleness between males and females.

Only for the males who commit or plan to commit sexual assault.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I enjoy kids. They're fun. But I wouldn't risk talking to one in a public place unless accompanied by an adult for fear that some hyper-vigilant adult would think me a pervert.

I like women, and there was a time when I could engage in harmless flirtation with co-workers -- they'd start it half the time -- but no more. The risk is just too high.

So, overall, today's world is safer for women and children and that's great. But there's a price to pay for it..

If that's the worst thing you can come up with as the "price" to pay for women's safety, I think we'll all be just fine.