Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Ben,
1st - You say above that the Messiah is supposed to come from the Tribe of Judah (which would imply an individual). I think other places you say the Messiah is plural and is Israel. How could the Messiah come from the Tribe of Judah, and yet be Israel?
2nd - Is it not possible for Mary's father to have been from the Tribe of Judah, and his sister(Tribe of Judah also) to have married a Levite? Then Mary(Tribe of Judah) would have been related to Elizabeth (Tribe of Levi). (It seems to me you are just making an assumption that Mary was from the tribe of Levi.)
3rd - I asked you twice in another post to explain who the son in Isaiah 9:6 was, and how he is also the everlasting Father.
4th - When the promise was made to David that of his seed, one would sit on his throne and the kingdom would be established forever, who was this talking about? (2 Samiel 7:12-13) If you believe it was speaking of Solomon, please explain who is on the throne now.
1st - The Messiahship is supposed to come from the Tribe of Judah; and this was foretold by Jacob in Genesis 46:10. It was called the Scepter of Judah. Then, if you read Prophet Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God. (Exodus 4:22,23) The Messiah cannot be an individual because, the individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever. (Jer. 31:35-37)
2n - It would not help in the case of Jesus even if Mary was from the lineage of David. Tribal inheritance goes down generations only through the father. So, the only solution for Jesus to be from the Tribe of Judah is to have been a biological son of Joseph who was the one from the Tribe of Judah. Even adoption would not break that tradition.
3rd - The prophecy of Isaiah in 9:6 was about the homage paid by the pagans of Galilee to the Jews returning from exile in Babylon after the 70 years of captivity. Those pagans had formed the district of the Gentiles in Galilee whom the king of Assyria had used to replace the Ten Tribes taken to Assyria for good. So, "Everlasting Father" of Isaiah 9:5 was not attributed to the Jews by Isaiah but by the Pagans in their way to welcome the Jews.
4th - Regarding the promise made to David, it would be immediately Solomon and, the generations afterwards was that someone from the Tribe of Judah would always sit on the throne in Jerusalem. (I Kings 11:36)