Please continue reading from Matthew 17v3 to verse 9.
Jesus plainly says they were to tell that 'vision' to no one.
The transfiguration according to Scripture was a 'vision'.
i dont personaly think the bible uses false ideas to potray a truth. Yes the bible says "Vission", but the greek word used here is of plain sight. Other Parts of the bible explain this as a plain sight vission that was real.
Luk 9:30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
The Other disiples were alseep and when they woke up, they saw Moses and Elias. The Bible goes to extra measures here to tell us that this was a real event that really did happen. I understand it doesnt line up with your belief and thats why you see it different, but you must ask yourself, did the disiples think it was real? The disiples didnt question it one bit. Matter of fact they where going to make stuff for them and had no question that they were in a state of existing although they died in the flesh. Thats the real lesson to me.
No where does it say Adam came to possess a soul, or have a soul, but Adam was a soul or life.
You are reading something that isnt there. Gen 2:7 is one clear example of how the word Soul is used, but it is not the only way. Gen 2:7 doesnt say what Adam is not and we can only speculate what he exactly was before the Fall of man. Clearly after Adam ate the fruit of Good and Evil he was changed. Before that we can guess, but we dont fully know.
Gen 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing,
here we see the Soul departing the body. A clear passage showing another use of the word soul.
2Ki 4:27 ... And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul [is] vexed within her: and the LORD hath hid [it] from me, and hath not told me.
Again, the soul is also reffered to as the "Inner Man". PS 42:6 & 43:5 are more examples of the soul being the inner man. Rev 6:9-10 has souls existing after death.
A dead soul because Ezekiel [18v4,20] says the soul that sins dies.
There are a number of ways to read this. Since the soul that sins dies, yet the person sinning is still alive, we can translate this as spiritualy dead. For one can sin and sin and sin, but be alive. But we will all agree he is spiritualy dead.
Anyway you want to look at it, Ezekiel was dealing with the doctorine of inherited Sin. Ezekiel's clear message was they the Soul (person) that sins will be the guilty one. hence, the Soul the sins will die. We all die in the flesh, so I must assume he is talking about spiritual death.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
It is 'man' that can not permanently kill our life, or soul, or life as a living soul.
We can be considered alive to Christ because he knows he can resurrect us and he will.
As my good friend Slo-Motion puts it, Private interpitation. just so you know, Im not against private interpitation, I just want to point out that others have it. if you read Pauls understanding of death, you would get a different idea.
Phl 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.
Phl 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this [is] the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
Phl 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
Phl 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh [is] more needful for you.
Paul clearly says to Die is gain and that Gain is to be with Christ Jesus.
Isn't Luke [23v43] clear that the promise was made the day Jesus died, and not that it would be that very day the thief would be resurrected to paradise?
The Term "Truly I say to you" is a greek phrase used 74 times in the New Testament. Jesus uses the Phrase here and says, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." i read the passage very different from you. (take the phrase out and Jesus says that Today you shall be with me in Paradise. A place he spoke about in Luke 14. i find it interesting that only at this passage do you disagree with the greek text?
The day Jesus died he went to hell, not heaven, and remained in hell [the common cold grave] until God resurrected Jesus.
Jesus's Spirit was with God the Father. Only Jesus's Flesh was in the Grave.
All that died before Jesus died will not go to heaven. Jesus death opened up the way to heaven.
Agreed
we just believe differently on the inbetween
David nor John the Baptist [Acts 2v34; Matt 11v11] went to heaven.
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
i believe both David and John are with Jesus now in Spirit state of existance.
Where is the Scripture that says spirit originated with Jesus?
As you may already know, i believe Jesus to be God with the Father and Holy Spirit. The scriptures I use to proove this is found within those filled with the Holy Spirit and had been with Jesus while he walked the earth.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Clearly the disiples knew this passage. Take a look at who they thought their Spirit was going to:
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Clearly Stephen calls upon Jesus to recieve his spirit. This is also more information that can be used to show Jesus as God (creator of all) with the Father and HS. Also as mentioned above, Paul writes to die is gain and that death meant to be at home with Jesus. (in spirit form)
In Love,
Tom
