The Posture of belief in God.

[Misty]

The posture of belief in God will be enhanced by personal study, that is for sure. The highest form of learning about God, is to be taught by God himself, then you no longer have a need to be taught by others. Jesus, in John 8:28 said he speaks things, ( or teachs things) as his Father taught him. Jesus had to learn, and we have to learn, this learning greatly shapes our posture of belief in God. To have God teach you would certainly be a rare priviledge, I certainly would like to be in that position. I am not there yet, but I jealously guard that " Space between me and God, and I am very supersticious about what rarely gets in there." I don't want anybody between me and God, as I prepare for the time in my life when I can be in contact with him. I don't just read anything and everything, I place absolutely zero trust in another humans teachings,I do not like even the idea of " Needing to learn from others." Years ago I asked God to remove any need I have in my Consciousness to learn from anyone other than him.

Now this is just the space I want to be in, perhaps this is just not for everyone. I have learned to trust the bible, my own Consciousness as affected by God , and the few times his Spirit comes and enlightens me, I need nothingelse. And I don't want this to ever change, this is a vital ingredient in my posture of belief. So if I am deceived by something, there is no one to blame but me. No book to blame, no commentaries, no teachers or preachers, no church , no doctrines of men, its just me and God. And I like this posture. Its for me. I walk alone in my posture of belief in God, and thats the way I want it.

But you must do what is best for you. Another may need to plant you, somethingelse may need to water you, just pray its God who increases you. But you need to develop a solid posture in your belief.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

I can only learn from my own experience, I don't need any deity in my life.

 

[mickiel]

I can only learn from my own experience, I don't need any deity in my life.

Well I certainly need a Deity in my life , I have had enough of not having one. I have lived the way of having no Deity, its just not for me. I have a great need in fact, of going beyond the earth and humanity, my Consciousness has looked at all humanity has to offer, and I hunger for a far different reality than this we know. And I learned this from my own experience of being human. I want to be more than human, I want more than this life has to offer, I want to live longer than the average lifespan of humans. I want to grow, ... and grow,.. and for that process to never end.

Nothing in this life can offer me those things and more. But God has made the offer, and revealed that my dreams will be a reality, so I invest my belief in him, because nothing on this earth satisfys me. I have had the wine, women and song. I have had the money, I have seen the movies , I have visted many places and seen enough of this world.

I have enjoyed myself. But I have this hole in me, this missing link in my great gift of Consciousness, and I want it filled.

I need a Deity.

Peace.

 

[Thief]

The posture of belief in God will be enhanced by personal study, that is for sure. The highest form of learning about God, is to be taught by God himself, then you no longer have a need to be taught by others. Jesus, in John 8:28 said he speaks things, ( or teachs things) as his Father taught him. Jesus had to learn, and we have to learn, this learning greatly shapes our posture of belief in God. To have God teach you would certainly be a rare priviledge, I certainly would like to be in that position. I am not there yet, but I jealously guard that " Space between me and God, and I am very supersticious about what rarely gets in there." I don't want anybody between me and God, as I prepare for the time in my life when I can be in contact with him. I don't just read anything and everything, I place absolutely zero trust in another humans teachings,I do not like even the idea of " Needing to learn from others." Years ago I asked God to remove any need I have in my Consciousness to learn from anyone other than him.

So you do believe you are like Moses or Jesus?

Now this is just the space I want to be in, perhaps this is just not for everyone. I have learned to trust the bible, my own Consciousness as affected by God , and the few times his Spirit comes and enlightens me, I need nothingelse. And I don't want this to ever change, this is a vital ingredient in my posture of belief. So if I am deceived by something, there is no one to blame but me. No book to blame, no commentaries, no teachers or preachers, no church , no doctrines of men, its just me and God. And I like this posture. Its for me. I walk alone in my posture of belief in God, and thats the way I want it.

Why then, are you here?

But you must do what is best for you. Another may need to plant you, somethingelse may need to water you, just pray its God who increases you. But you need to develop a solid posture in your belief.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

If what you say is true for all....
then we don't need your sayings.
We will be taught of God...by God...and you are getting in the way.

 

[mickiel]

The question was asked of me by a man who is persuing me, for his own reasons; Am I like Moses or Jesus? That has got to be one of the weirdess questions I have been asked by a religious zealot. I am absolutely NOTHING like either! Let me clearly explain what I am to this man;

I am a sinner in need and search of his God, and I have not progressed beyond that. I am unconverted, do not have Gods spirit, am in no religion or group, I walk alone in the Darkness. Longing to be released from it.

And I have to say this from time to time, because the zealots think, that I think, I am one of these self proclaimed idiots who lift themselves up.

Peace.

 

[Misty]

Well I certainly need a Deity in my life , I have had enough of not having one. I have lived the way of having no Deity, its just not for me. I have a great need in fact, of going beyond the earth and humanity, my Consciousness has looked at all humanity has to offer, and I hunger for a far different reality than this we know. And I learned this from my own experience of being human. I want to be more than human, I want more than this life has to offer, I want to live longer than the average lifespan of humans. I want to grow, ... and grow,.. and for that process to never end.

Nothing in this life can offer me those things and more. But God has made the offer, and revealed that my dreams will be a reality, so I invest my belief in him, because nothing on this earth satisfys me. I have had the wine, women and song. I have had the money, I have seen the movies , I have visted many places and seen enough of this world.

I have enjoyed myself. But I have this hole in me, this missing link in my great gift of Consciousness, and I want it filled.

I need a Deity.

Peace.

If the idea of a deity pleases you that is fine, but it certainly doesn't do it for me. Having been there done that and got the T shirt, I prefer a deity free existence.

 

[mickiel]

, I prefer a deity free existence.

I have been to the Deity free existence, been there done that, I prefer a Deity in my Posture of belief. Booze didnot do it for me, and I drank plenty of it, PLENTY! Women didnot do it for me, and I have had plenty of them, PLENTY! Food didnot do it, pleasure didnot do it, money didnot do it ( I wish I could say I had plenty of that) , travel didnot do it, science didnot, nature didnot, drugs didnot, people and family didnot, and knowledge didnot do it for me.

None of those things have fulfilled me, and I am in misery because of that.

I NEED God in my life, nothingelse is going to do it. I done tried it all, and one day I am going to try God.

Peace.

 

[Thief]

I have been to the Deity free existence, been there done that, I prefer a Deity in my Posture of belief. Booze didnot do it for me, and I drank plenty of it, PLENTY! Women didnot do it for me, and I have had plenty of them, PLENTY! Food didnot do it, pleasure didnot do it, money didnot do it ( I wish I could say I had plenty of that) , travel didnot do it, science didnot, nature didnot, drugs didnot, people and family didnot, and knowledge didnot do it for me.

None of those things have fulfilled me, and I am in misery because of that.

I NEED God in my life, nothingelse is going to do it. I done tried it all, and one day I am going to try God.

Peace.

A very thorough list.

You may be closer to the prophets than you think.

 

[mickiel]

Anyhow, If I may continue;

Another reason I have taken the posture of believing that all humans will be saved, is because I view that as the ultimate expression of Love possible from God to humanity. And I hope it to be true. In 1Corinth. 13: 7 it says that Love bears all things, Hopes all things and endures all things. Now, if God is like this, then he will bear all of our ignorance and rejection and endure all of our sins and give us all the Hope of Salvation. The scriptures already states that Christ " bore all of our sins", and that God is Love.

So let me show the the biblical math; God is Love, Love bears ALL things and Endures all things, and Jesus bore ALL of our iniquitys, in Col. 3:11 Christ is ALL IN ALL. Its academic, we all make it because of Gods Love. One zealot yesterday tried to impress this well told lie that not everyone is " In Christ", right here in Col. 3:11 it says Christ is All IN All, All are in Christ. And I have postured this into my belief system.

What you put into your Belief system will develop your " Posture of Scripture", or how you view scripture. The Salvation of all is the Posture of my belief system, and I see it all in scripture. My eyes are wide open to Salvation, my heart wide open to it, my Consciousness soaked into it , and if it were not in the bible, then I couldnot find it. My posture is now open to a seemingly hidden truth of great glory in the bible. Well its right in there, so why is it hidden?

It is hidden because believers AND unbelievers have taken the wrong posture of belief toward the bible.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The true posture of the real message of the bible is recorded in Matt. 1:21;" And she will bear a son and you shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who will save his people from their sins." In Mark 3:28;" All sins shall be forgiven." In Luke 3:6;" All flesh shall see the Salvation of the Lord." Look, the theme is all of us are to be included in this mass of forgiveness and Salvation.

The bible has a definte posture of all of humanity are to be forgiven and saved, yet even believers in God are afraid to take that posture and believe it. I mean the fearful mentality is this: no, not everybody! No, its too good to be true! No, not all sin can be forgiven. No, God can't do it, he is unable to save all of his people. And then start thinking in terms of changing this message to fit a more reduced posture, creating a much more reduced gospel, so that they can now swallow it into their smaller reduced belief.

In some cases its just outright reduction of the obvious, such as in 1John 4:14;" And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be Savior of the World!" God sent Jesus to save everybody, which is what the " World is." So the reduced posture automatically starts to reduce this God ordained mission, it goes like this; No, it doesn't mean the whole world, its got to mean something much smaller. Well the verse must mean something " Other than" universal Salvation of all. Its just too much incredible grace to digest into a small minded belief system, so they change it into an " Elite system." Then take on the limited posture of belief, too fearful to take the word at face value.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Fear-- the King killer. Fear -- the relationship breaker. Fear-- the bank robber. Fear-- the unknown. Fear-- the raper of potential. Fear-- the wall that blocks the desire to do good. Fear-- the motor of unbelief in God. Fear -- the blood of limitation. Fear -- the most painful emotion.

Fear is the anchor of Anxiety, it is the social in solitude. Fear -- the apple of apprehension.

Fear, the dread of taking a posture of believing in God. Fear-- the blindfold of the revelation of scripture.

We are so afraid to take a posture of belief in God and what his power can really do. We have our own consciousness and incredible bodies, this awesome earth and animal kingdom, this magnamous universe, all created by this awesome being, and we are afriad to believe it.

Were afriad to believe that if this egnigmatic incredible being did all this , then even logic dictates that there is nothing that he couldnot do. Afriad to even consciously consider what this existant being must truly be like.

And our belief is crippled and burnt out.

And I want to continue on that.

Peace.

 

[Misty]

Fear-- the King killer. Fear -- the relationship breaker. Fear-- the bank robber. Fear-- the unknown. Fear-- the raper of potential. Fear-- the wall that blocks the desire to do good. Fear-- the motor of unbelief in God. Fear -- the blood of limitation. Fear -- the most painful emotion.

Fear is the anchor of Anxiety, it is the social in solitude. Fear -- the apple of apprehension.

Fear, the dread of taking a posture of believing in God. Fear-- the blindfold of the revelation of scripture.

We are so afraid to take a posture of belief in God and what his power can really do. We have our own consciousness and incredible bodies, this awesome earth and animal kingdom, this magnamous universe, all created by this awesome being, and we are afriad to believe it.

Were afriad to believe that if this egnigmatic incredible being did all this , then even logic dictates that there is nothing that he couldnot do. Afriad to even consciously consider what this existant being must truly be like.

And our belief is crippled and burnt out.

And I want to continue on that.

Peace.

I find your posts difficult to understand!

 

[mickiel]

I find your posts difficult to understand!

Well I understand, sometimes I find them difficult to write.

But I am not afriad to write them. The fear would paralyze my motivation and cripple my consciousness, which would effect my belief, we MUST express ourselves. And the posture of Belief in God is my strongest expression of myself.

Peace.

 

[Misty]

Well I understand, sometimes I find them difficult to write.

But I am not afriad to write them. The fear would paralyze my motivation and cripple my consciousness, which would effect my belief, we MUST express ourselves. And the posture of Belief in God is my strongest expression of myself.

Peace.

It would be helpful if maybe you clarified your thoughts a bit first. Am I right in thinking English isn't your first language?

 

[mickiel]

It would be helpful if maybe you clarified your thoughts a bit first. Am I right in thinking English isn't your first language?

English is my only language, unless you include pig latin.

I had thought myself to be easy to understand , so I am a bit surprised at this. But I will make an extra effort to be more clearer.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Fear is the mindbender that can deaden or cripple your posture on belief in God. Your scared to believe , and that cripples your consciousness from seeing the multifold evidence of God. Like a wall, fear blinds your view that could charge your belief. Instead of belief being charged, the cells in your brain that could straighten your posture, keeps that area either dead or in a fearful closet within your consciousness. It bends your minds eye. The posture of belief needs that from your consciousness in order for you to believe. Unbelief then settles in and like drying cement, your posture of belief in God is frozen. This is the posture of unbelief.

Then we have the " Traditional posture of belief", this is a posture shaped by the past teachings of men. A posture shaped by the minds and views of others, instead of yourself. Your stance is taken by reading books and listening to sermons, reading daily devotionals and positioning yourself to be constantly fed by others, as if God cannot do this himself to you. You lack that faith to totally depend on God to feed you directly, so you convince yourself that he does it " Through them." Why do you need a mediator between you and God to organize your posture? Are you afraid God won't do it for you without the tapes and books and preachers?

And I want to go into the posture of belief that needs these crutches to stand and walk.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Unbelievers are afraid God is not there, and believers are afraid that without the crutches of " support from sources outside of them", that God cannot inspire their minds directly. That kind of fear and lack of faith in God, " Addicts" you to the unending amounts of people who claim they can feed you. But they feed you their weakness and misinterpitations, you not only absorb their wisdom, you obsorb their deception which they may not even see in themselves.

There is NOTHING like the freedom of being fed by God directly, nothing! Oh and he will do it. He need not say a word to you, ( he never has to me), he needs no books, no tapes, no preachers, all he needs is your Consciousness, and he will appeal directly to that. Feed it like a computer, download information and open new windows in your mind. And once you are in this spot, you will NEVER return to the feeding of men. Who can teach you like God can teach you? Your traditional teaching is " Nothing" compared to God directly appealing to your consciousness.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[javajo]

This is why I could never be Christian , you do not see the truth in scripture for all, only for some, a limited Atonement mentality for sure. Your eye for scripture is trained to " exclude instead of include people", you do not search for the life of others, you search the scripture for death. In Romans 8:1 it does say for those who " Are in Christ", so who is in Christ? Of course Christians have been trained, like Mormons, to think that means themselves. John 17:2; " For thou has given him authority over ALL mankind, that to ALL thou has given him, he may GIVE eternal Life!" God gave Christ all people, thus all people are in Christ. This verse has so much Salvation in it, a limited atonement mindset is simply unable to see it. Another verse in Romans, 5:18;" Because of one mans sin, condemnation came to all men, conversely because of one mans act of Righteousness that same ALL men are now justified before God!" They are not condemned. Why would God condemn a whole world of unbelievers, just because Adam had a serious crush on Eve and was swayed? Its not fair that all men were Condemned because of Adam, and I know christians don't think its fair that because of Christ, all unbelievers are now Justified. But thats the way it is buddyrow.

Salvation is not based on wether men accept or reject it, its based on the Faithfulness of God to give it to them reguardless of what they believe, and Rom. 3:3 is clear on that.

Where Christians try to increase the penaltys of sin where it exist, Gods Grace abounds even more to cover them who ignorantly reject him.

Peace.

God does wish that all would come to repentance, that whoseoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Yet the Bible is very clear that narrow is the way (Jesus) and few there be that find it. I wish Hell could be empty and Heaven full, but the Bible clearly says that there will be a judgement and some will go away to eternal life and some to everlasting contempt. Only Jesus was worthy to pay for our sins, and if we reject him, then we pay our own way, its very clear.

 

[mickiel]

God does wish that all would come to repentance, that whoseoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Yet the Bible is very clear that narrow is the way (Jesus) and few there be that find it. I wish Hell could be empty and Heaven full, but the Bible clearly says that there will be a judgement and some will go away to eternal life and some to everlasting contempt. Only Jesus was worthy to pay for our sins, and if we reject him, then we pay our own way, its very clear.

Whats narrow is your view of Salvation. You show me anywhere in scripture that the bible states that humans must pay for their own sins. You searched the scriptures yesterday to show me that not all are " In Christ", I showed you in John 17 that all are. In Col. 3:11 Christ is ALL -- IN All! All humans are in Christ, and nobody in Christ will be lost to your precious hell.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

God does wish that all would come to repentance, that very .

And it is impossible for God not to get what he wishes. explain to me how a being like God, " All Powerful", is going to wish for something, and then not get it! Have you lost your sense of God?

Job 23:13;" God is unique and who can turn him? What his soul desires that he does." Don't you tell me God does not get what he desires or wishes, I am not infected by the Christian cynicism toward salvation. What does God desire? 1Tim.2:4, " That ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

And no Christian can turn him from his desire for the Salvation of all of humanity.

Peace.

 

[javajo]

How I wish all men would come to repentance. That is change their mind and believe in Christ and be saved. But I must go by the WHOLE Word of God, not just pick and choose a few verses that seem to support my 'theory', thus creating my own god which is idolatry. Jesus warned us of Hell more than he spoke of Heaven and we cannot ignore the many other warnings to those who reject him, who do not trust him, for it says there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved and in the end, those whose names are not found in the book of life will be case into the lake of fire (hell, eternal damnation, separation from God).