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The principle of vibration

skydivephil

Active Member
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why are you here mr sky dive?

I think we all get it.... you don't beleive in any of this
You think it is all garbage and foolish
We all get that

Now one has to ask, why a person would come online and
consistently carry on picking holes in something they themselves hold no value for
One would have to assume said individual is deeply unhappy or perhaps they are psychotic in some way, or perhaps they just like berating others, perhaps they were "burned" by a religion and now, filled with anger, have to get back at others...

whatever the case, even if things were explained to you, you wouldnt listen or accept them.....You don't ask questions for answers, you ask questions to deride and cause confusion, which can be useful if a person is ultimatly seeking to learn something; however if they are just throwing throwing rocks in a pond, for no reason....all they will do is create the illusion that they are making a change. The pond itself will calm after....long after the stopne thrower gets bored and understands their actions are futile.... however long that will take.

Last time i looked this forum called itself science vs religion. So surely its only fair if someone representing the scientific view point was present. i have asked many question, but instead of answers in this thread at least , I just get gibberish.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I see that, it just doesn't sound like folks have gotten very far away from the mud of their thinking.

A question for you, Zenzero. Have you "heard" Aum rolling out of the silence? If you did, feel free to describe what you heard.
;) Funny how none of you science-skeptics comment on my posts, yet here is another which I'm sure you'll ignore because like the other one, it is evidence.:yes:

I wish I could locate where this is from (it is from my notes on my PC) sorry!

Here is your AUM
Beauty exists in music and the universe. Humans will never know what existed before the Big Bang, but we do know what exists after the explosion. In 1965 at Bell Laboratories in New Jersey, two radio astronomers, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, developed a well-calibrated-hypersensitive, 20-foot horn-shaped antenna. The antenna was designed to detect radio waves bounced off echo balloon satellites.

No matter where they pointed this antenna at the sky, they heard the same hum. This was not their expected result. Penzias and Wilson thought they had made a mistake. They even considered the possibility that it was due to "a white dielectric substance" (pigeon droppings) in their horn. Their puzzling findings were published in a famous paper, Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s. Penzias and Wilson were radio astronomers, with expertise in electronics rather than cosmology.

It soon came to their attention through Robert Dicke and Jim Peebles at Princeton that this unexpected noise, this background radiation, had been predicted years earlier by George Gamow as a relic of the evolution of the early Universe. Penzias and Wilson had, in fact, accidentally discovered the Cosmic Background Radiation, the fingerprint of the early Universe, the echo of the Big Bang. In 1978 Messrs Penzias and Wilson were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for their discovery.

The Cosmic Background Radiation is a residual vibration from the explosion of the Big Bang, vibrating at a frequency of 4080 Mega Hertz (4,080,000,000 Hertz). All vibrations can be interpreted as sound. Octaves are defined as the lower frequency being half that of its higher frequency. For example, A 3 = 440 Hz and one octave above is A 4 at 880 Hz. Twenty-two octaves below The Big Note (4,080,000,000 Hertz), is calculated to be 972.75 Hz. This is slightly lower than B 4 at 987.77 Hz and somewhat higher than B Flat 4 at 932.33 Hz, in equal-tempered tuning. Therefore, the Universe is resonating at a tone a little flatter than B, as defined by standard tuning.

Physicists think that time began with the Big Bang. Today, just about every scientist believes in the Big Bang model. The evidence is overwhelming enough that in 1951, the Catholic Church officially pronounced the Big Bang model to be in accordance with the Bible. The Tibetan Gyuto Monks perform Buddhist ceremonies while chanting on one fundamental note. Their refined chanting technique enables each member of the choir to sing a three-note chord, exciting the harmonics of the fundamental drone note. A listening to their recording for Windham Hill Records reveals that the monks are droning on a note slightly flatter than B, exciting all the overtones above. Their valve-less brass horns are designed to play this note as the fundamental partial. The Gyuto Monks have been resonating the Big Note for the past 500 years at the Gyuto Monastery in Lhasa, Tibet, now living in exile in Dharamsala, India.

There is no explanation as to why the monks drone on that particular note. Penzias and Wilson's Nobel Prize winning discovery was an accident. The Big Note is an incredible combination of science, art and religion.


"Everything in the Universe is made of one element, which is a note, a single note. Atoms are really vibrations, you know, which are extensions of the BIG NOTE, everything's one note. Everything. The note is the ultimate power..."
- Spider Barbour from Frank Zappa's Lumpy Gravy, Part II © 1968
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend EtuMalku,

Thanks for that scientific background which is enlightening, however just wish to confirm if the sound can be received differently by different receivers though meditators confirm it.

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend skydivephil,

Last time i looked this forum called itself science vs religion. So surely its only fair if someone representing the scientific view point was present. i have asked many question, but instead of answers in this thread at least , I just get gibberish.

It is NOT science only section.
If science does not understand the language of religion nor wishes to; then it only results in loss of energies on both sides. This understanding and balance only helps us grow.

LOve & rgds
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Friend EtuMalku,

Thanks for that scientific background which is enlightening, however just wish to confirm if the sound can be received differently by different receivers though meditators confirm it.

Love & rgds
Could you rephrase that please?
 

ericoh2

******
You are making a straw man argument. No one is suggesting that science has all the answers , if that were the case there wouldn't be any point in doing new science. Science knows it doesn't have all the answers, but the answers that we do have come through science and answers we will get in the future will also come through science. If you think people go the shape of the earth wrong because they followed scientific method you are very mistaken. it was science that enabled us to deduce the true shape of the world, not some mystical gurus who's "not even wrong".

First of all I support the scientific method, if by that you mean being objective and never assuming. It's one thing to say that since our tools can't measure something, science as it is, cannot gain a higher understanding of or address the subject at hand. It's a completely different approach to say "well since science can't measure it with our tools there's no possibility that it exists." I don't know if you intended to or not but you come across as taking the latter approach and that is what I have been addressing. That line of reasoning is anti scientific and is much closer to that of a fundamentalist christian than to a true scientist.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
;) Funny how none of you science-skeptics comment on my posts, yet here is another which I'm sure you'll ignore because like the other one, it is evidence.:yes:
Actually, I am a rather firm believer in inner reality and science both. Sadly, I have not noted any of your posts as being worthy of comment to date.

Here is your AUM
Actually, no, it is not the famous Aum sound, in my opinion, my friend. I would speculate that man cannot, as of yet, pick up the sound itself, though this could be similar to a "physical shadow" of Aum. I don't know and am not inclined to make wild speculations that it is.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Last time i looked this forum called itself science vs religion. So surely its only fair if someone representing the scientific view point was present. i have asked many question, but instead of answers in this thread at least , I just get gibberish.

yet you seem to not want to understand, just to deride and pick holes....
 

imaginaryme

Active Member
I find it very difficult to embrace the intellectual flatulence outlined in this thread. Oh well, back to my varnishing, I guess. :drool:

Tell you what, I'll play "Good Vibrations" while I apply the next layer...
That's your whole problem, playing the Beach Boys instead of The Doors. :p

Basically, the transverse wave is sinusoidal, meaning it can be graphed with a function of sine. Anybody remember trig? It seems to me that perhaps stillness isn't so much being still as in vibrating in direct contrast to environmental harmonics, as in sin x + (-sin x) = 0. Of course, life isn't a simple sine wave - but the functioning of complex harmonics can be expressed with advanced forms of equations - and the "sacred tones" may act to lessen the high and lows at critical points on the graph. More research needed. :D

Did I mention the end times? Time as we know it is about to expire, and I may be on to the path that explains it all. There are two types of time - distral and entropic - and I think this is why the equations in physics are reversible, while the real-world effects they model are not. I think that the numbers can only see distral time - the time of distance. I think we can only see distral time; see, with distance, there is no unity. The first number is two. This is where we get all this duality - by perceiving only distral time. I'm thinking it's something like twenty-five hours in a sensory deprivation tank is what it takes for a person's hash to be cooked - the brain fries. This is because the brain is programmed in distral time by learning language and interacting with the environment. When those perceptions slip beyond one's grasp, one faces entropic time - and one goes insane.

Perhaps this is why those of us who are already insane have this different outlook on reality. We were once considered "touched by the gods" or "possessed by demons," but what happens if we just vibrate at a different type of frequency? I'm thinking that's where the "magic" comes in. It's not so much sound being sacred as the waves produced are the closest thing in the physical realm to our sensory perception that expresses this entropic time. This type of time is the clock of unity, of One, moving forward; and it is this clock, rather than the distral, that produces the irreversibly seen in the physical universe.

Knowing this entropic time may be the key to unlock all these ancient mysteries and finding new mystery. In our perception, it is absolutely mandatory that we have a concept for unity. This began with the perception of self and formation of language - the first step of monkey to man was the crafting of Name. Name is how we tame our fears and differentiate our world. The first step of man towards god was applying Name to the Unnameable - and this was formed:

1

Do you see unity? Not quite. What is seen is the contrast - perception through distral time - of the black glyph on the white background; yet, we can glimpse a deeper truth. This truth that we can see out of the corner of our mind is being expressed through mathematics. Once thought to be the nearly worthless art of the intellectual, today there is virtually nothing that is not expressible in the language of mathematics. This thing upon which I communicate to the world - this is number made flesh - just as we are "in the image of god," word made flesh.

And it may be the vibrations we can graph in our distral time operating orthogonally to the vibrations we cannot see in entropic time producing the stillness we understand as matter. Consider this series: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21... formed by adding the two last digits to produce the next, this is called the Fibonacci series, and it is everywhere in nature. It is also in chapter forty two of the tao te ching (42, the ultimate answer :D) in the form of - tao. Begat one, one begat two, two begat three, three begat the ten thousand things. The first one represents the unity that cannot be represented, the tao; and the ten thousand things represent the universe - ten thousand, the myriad, seemingly the biggest number in ancient thought. I also consider that chapter forty two can be expressed in the form of 1=god, 2=man, 3=god+man; working together to produce everything - because what is the essential difference between the universe and our knowledge of the universe other than moving forward?

It is further considered that Christianity has an inevitability associated with it - with the merger of the disassociated gods of nature into a single creator god. This comes from understanding entropy, and how things evolve from other things. The next step of evolution of god is equally inevitable, and has already been written of in the Bible and Koran but not fully considered. Zenzero knows. :D. Exodus 3:24 is sometimes translated as god saying "I am the BEING." The Koran knows Allah as the Eternal. This is the concept of god that must be preserved. This is the true Stillness that unites all restless entities - and Phil, if you ever heard of Brownian motion, you may be able to see how a stone is restless - and holding on though the perception of You through the lens of god to Me is how religion will keep science from going all eugenics on everything.

Without god, we cannot exist.
 
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challupa

Well-Known Member
That's your whole problem, playing the Beach Boys instead of The Doors. :p

Basically, the transverse wave is sinusoidal, meaning it can be graphed with a function of sine. Anybody remember trig? It seems to me that perhaps stillness isn't so much being still as in vibrating in direct contrast to environmental harmonics, as in sin x + (-sin x) = 0. Of course, life isn't a simple sine wave - but the functioning of complex harmonics can be expressed with advanced forms of equations - and the "sacred tones" may act to lessen the high and lows at critical points on the graph. More research needed. :D

Did I mention the end times? Time as we know it is about to expire, and I may be on to the path that explains it all. There are two types of time - distral and entropic - and I think this is why the equations in physics are reversible, while the real-world effects they model are not. I think that the numbers can only see distral time - the time of distance. I think we can only see distral time; see, with distance, there is no unity. The first number is two. This is where we get all this duality - by perceiving only distral time. I'm thinking it's something like twenty-five hours in a sensory deprivation tank is what it takes for a person's hash to be cooked - the brain fries. This is because the brain is programmed in distral time by learning language and interacting with the environment. When those perceptions slip beyond one's grasp, one faces entropic time - and one goes insane.

Perhaps this is why those of us who are already insane have this different outlook on reality. We were once considered "touched by the gods" or "possessed by demons," but what happens if we just vibrate at a different type of frequency? I'm thinking that's where the "magic" comes in. It's not so much sound being sacred as the waves produced are the closest thing in the physical realm to our sensory perception that expresses this entropic time. This type of time is the clock of unity, of One, moving forward; and it is this clock, rather than the distral, that produces the irreversibly seen in the physical universe.

Knowing this entropic time may be the key to unlock all these ancient mysteries and finding new mystery. In our perception, it is absolutely mandatory that we have a concept for unity. This began with the perception of self and formation of language - the first step of monkey to man was the crafting of Name. Name is how we tame our fears and differentiate our world. The first step of man towards god was applying Name to the Unnameable - and this was formed:

1

Do you see unity? Not quite. What is seen is the contrast - perception through distral time - of the black glyph on the white background; yet, we can glimpse a deeper truth. This truth that we can see out of the corner of our mind is being expressed through mathematics. Once thought to be the nearly worthless art of the intellectual, today there is virtually nothing that is not expressible in the language of mathematics. This thing upon which I communicate to the world - this is number made flesh - just as we are "in the image of god," word made flesh.

And it may be the vibrations we can graph in our distral time operating orthogonally to the vibrations we cannot see in entropic time producing the stillness we understand as matter. Consider this series: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21... formed by adding the two last digits to produce the next, this is called the Fibonacci series, and it is everywhere in nature. It is also in chapter forty two of the tao te ching (42, the ultimate answer :D) in the form of - tao. Begat one, one begat two, two begat three, three begat the ten thousand things. The first one represents the unity that cannot be represented, the tao; and the ten thousand things represent the universe - ten thousand, the myriad, seemingly the biggest number in ancient thought. I also consider that chapter forty two can be expressed in the form of 1=god, 2=man, 3=god+man; working together to produce everything - because what is the essential difference between the universe and our knowledge of the universe other than moving forward?

It is further considered that Christianity has an inevitability associated with it - with the merger of the disassociated gods of nature into a single creator god. This comes from understanding entropy, and how things evolve from other things. The next step of evolution of god is equally inevitable, and has already been written of in the Bible and Koran but not fully considered. Zenzero knows. :D. Exodus 3:24 is sometimes translated as god saying "I am the BEING." The Koran knows Allah as the Eternal. This is the concept of god that must be preserved. This is the true Stillness that unites all restless entities - and Phil, if you ever heard of Brownian motion, you may be able to see how a stone is restless - and holding on though the perception of You through the lens of god to Me is how religion will keep science from going all eugenics on everything.

Without god, we cannot exist.
Interesting post. So are you saying everything is "god". If so, that means we are god and therefore don't need to worry about not existing without god.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Interesting post. So are you saying everything is "god". If so, that means we are god and therefore don't need to worry about not existing without god.

Well I'm a man....

I can deny that if I like
I can dress like a woman, take pills, get a boob job, even change my genitals....

but my body is a man's and there's no real gettign away from that....

Denial is not a river in Egypt after all...
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
Well I'm a man....

I can deny that if I like
I can dress like a woman, take pills, get a boob job, even change my genitals....

but my body is a man's and there's no real gettign away from that....

Denial is not a river in Egypt after all...
LOL, it was a question, not a fact...
 

imaginaryme

Active Member
Using numerology in combination with chapter 42 shows that four is the first hidden number of the Fibonacci sequence. Hidden, as in occult - as in magic. :D. Notice also the next hidden numbers are six, seven, and nine - the numbers of not-god, god, and the universe. How do we get the new magic number four from the old magic number seven? With triangles. Ever play D&D? The four-sided die is in the shape of a tetrahedron (I believe that's the term), four equilateral triangles in a pyramidal shape (only with a triangular base rather than the traditional square base associated with the pyramid.) Now, imagine at each corner is a small orb. Like an old four-sided die with a ball of gum stuck on each point. If another four-sider is stuck to the apex, one can picture an hourglass shape, with one orb of gum in the middle, and six orbs at each other point. And if the top tetrahedron is rotated thirty degrees, looking down upon said structure will reveal the six-pointed star that shows up everywhere.

I first saw this structure in reading the book presented by friend zenzero, because all these principles complement another to a certain degree. Vibration and rhythm are properties of time, polarity and gender are of space; although this is just a rough draft of the imagined structure. The big one is symmetry. Symmetry is an opposing tetrahedron balanced atop another. Symmetry is the key to higher understanding. As above, so below. As below, so above. As the LHC just may uncover a neutralino next year; unite dark matter, string theory, and particle physics into a whole new universe - one based upon supersymmetry.

Here ya go Phil -pictures. Note the fours. :D Sometimes, magic is pure fluff. Some of the occult writings should stay occult. But magic exists, and one form of magic long known is geometry. Another is numerology - to a degree, of course (666 is pure horse****; should have been 616, and then it is still wrong). Why does some numerology seem to work? Because, in a sense, all these concepts already exist. The way Nature vibrates interacts upon ways that the conscious mind cannot adequately process; but Nature has been singing of the four ever since the periodic table was air, earth, fire, water; and what do we know know? Fire is the dimension of time, the other three of space.

The Bible says, there is nothing new under the sun; and is in essence correct. As long as we are merely under the sun - everything we needed to know was taught to us through our environment. The end times predicted actually speak of an end to the tyranny of time; yet as the vision of the unknowable inspires fear, this was foretold as tribulation. It is not. It is evolution.

None of us are here as we were. We were all once something different.
~The Purifier, The Chronicles of Riddick

Once we were children. Once we were embryos. Once we were the stuff of stars. The question now is to evolve towards a type of people the ancients would have seen as gods, or devolve towards the stone age. The actual tribulation is the delicacy of the curves in this part in the river of the timeline of humanity. Globalization is essential, but not in government, in consciousness. The bend is coming, the rapids grow white and treacherous - either the trinity into unity predicted - Man, Machine, Mother Earth - or the singularity predicated by fear and those who would rule - and govern us all straight to hell.

Let us be purified.
 

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
Using numerology in combination with chapter 42 shows that four is the first hidden number of the Fibonacci sequence. Hidden, as in occult - as in magic. :D. Notice also the next hidden numbers are six, seven, and nine - the numbers of not-god, god, and the universe. How do we get the new magic number four from the old magic number seven? With triangles. Ever play D&D? The four-sided die is in the shape of a tetrahedron (I believe that's the term), four equilateral triangles in a pyramidal shape (only with a triangular base rather than the traditional square base associated with the pyramid.) Now, imagine at each corner is a small orb. Like an old four-sided die with a ball of gum stuck on each point. If another four-sider is stuck to the apex, one can picture an hourglass shape, with one orb of gum in the middle, and six orbs at each other point. And if the top tetrahedron is rotated thirty degrees, looking down upon said structure will reveal the six-pointed star that shows up everywhere.

I first saw this structure in reading the book presented by friend zenzero, because all these principles complement another to a certain degree. Vibration and rhythm are properties of time, polarity and gender are of space; although this is just a rough draft of the imagined structure. The big one is symmetry. Symmetry is an opposing tetrahedron balanced atop another. Symmetry is the key to higher understanding. As above, so below. As below, so above. As the LHC just may uncover a neutralino next year; unite dark matter, string theory, and particle physics into a whole new universe - one based upon supersymmetry.

Here ya go Phil -pictures. Note the fours. :D Sometimes, magic is pure fluff. Some of the occult writings should stay occult. But magic exists, and one form of magic long known is geometry. Another is numerology - to a degree, of course (666 is pure horse****; should have been 616, and then it is still wrong). Why does some numerology seem to work? Because, in a sense, all these concepts already exist. The way Nature vibrates interacts upon ways that the conscious mind cannot adequately process; but Nature has been singing of the four ever since the periodic table was air, earth, fire, water; and what do we know know? Fire is the dimension of time, the other three of space.

The Bible says, there is nothing new under the sun; and is in essence correct. As long as we are merely under the sun - everything we needed to know was taught to us through our environment. The end times predicted actually speak of an end to the tyranny of time; yet as the vision of the unknowable inspires fear, this was foretold as tribulation. It is not. It is evolution.

None of us are here as we were. We were all once something different.
~The Purifier, The Chronicles of Riddick

Once we were children. Once we were embryos. Once we were the stuff of stars. The question now is to evolve towards a type of people the ancients would have seen as gods, or devolve towards the stone age. The actual tribulation is the delicacy of the curves in this part in the river of the timeline of humanity. Globalization is essential, but not in government, in consciousness. The bend is coming, the rapids grow white and treacherous - either the trinity into unity predicted - Man, Machine, Mother Earth - or the singularity predicated by fear and those who would rule - and govern us all straight to hell.

Let us be purified.


are we to be gods or god?

not sure I agree with all your associations....but not really important
how on earth are 679 god, not god and the universe??? uhhhh

The Bible says, there is nothing new under the sun; and is in essence correct. As long as we are merely under the sun - everything we needed to know was taught to us through our environment. The end times predicted actually speak of an end to the tyranny of time; yet as the vision of the unknowable inspires fear, this was foretold as tribulation. It is not. It is evolution.

You do realise this is essentially saying nothing is new, its all been done before...
Its not saying

nothing is new under the sun
but under Saturn everythign is dandy.....
 
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challupa

Well-Known Member
well you stated


I would say yes all is God....

but it is easy to deny that...

that was my point...

sorry for the confusion
You're right I should have used a question mark, my bad! From that post, it was the conclusion I came to, that everything was god. So I jumped to the conclusion that we don't have to worry about our existence if we are god. I was just wanting to know if that was what was meant by the post. If I had understood his meaning...
 

imaginaryme

Active Member
Interesting post. So are you saying everything is "god". If so, that means we are god and therefore don't need to worry about not existing without god.
God is the underlying stillness of the whole. We are the restless reflections - self-similar to god over a vast magnitude. Individuals can exist without the concept of god; that is not the point. The point is that we should not dispose of the concept of god as humanity. The actuality of this concept is -

Beyond definition.

But the reflection of god that can be described is - that which is still, that which is eternal, that which unites all - and any and all conceptualizations of dictation and direction should be scrapped.

God is.

And that's the whole story of god. Morality is mortal, life is life, and after is after. Promising rewards and punishments in some fantastic garden or pit of flame is just that. Fantasy. Yet god has been already conceptualized - and has been ever since monkey became man - and to dispose of that concept entirely would be a critical blunder on the part of humanity. Not necessarily so on the part of the human. Did you see the Calabi-Yau Space linked to in my previous post? I don't quite understand it, and I'm a dang mathematician. If this is the true nature of things, are we going to start to say - Give me some Calabi-Yau - when things get crowded? Nah, we'll still say, give me some space.

Picture a man, standing to the west as the sun goes down; just visible upon the horizon, casting a far shadow. This is god. Every time we get closer to god - restart the paragraph from the beginning. We got close with Marduk, but it was only shadow. We got close with Yahweh, with Allah; but these too are merely shadow. It does not matter in the least if such a BEING actually exists, what matters is that the concept exists, and the concept unifies.

What people fail to understand is that Naming god God limits god, and is a tool of intolerance. It is using what unifies in a limiting manner to signify those of whom worship the "correct" god. It is merely a way to formulate another type of "us vs them" mentality.

Ain't no "them." There is only us. All of that other stuff is essentially wrong or misinterpreted, and often on purpose. One cannot worship god, nor pay alms to god, nor die for god. There were many functions served in the past by the misapplication of these concepts; but the past is past.

Do you think I'm trying to tell you to worship Gwyneth Paltrow? Come on, now... :D
 
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challupa

Well-Known Member
God is the underlying stillness of the whole. We are the restless reflections - self-similar to god over a vast magnitude. Individuals can exist without the concept of god; that is not the point. The point is that we should not dispose of the concept of god as humanity. The actuality of this concept is -

Beyond definition.

But the reflection of god that can be described is - that which is still, that which is eternal, that which unites all - and any and all conceptualizations of dictation and direction should be scrapped.

God is.

And that's the whole story of god. Morality is mortal, life is life, and after is after. Promising rewards and punishments in some fantastic garden or pit of flame is just that. Fantasy. Yet god has been already conceptualized - and has been ever since monkey became man - and to dispose of that concept entirely would be a critical blunder on the part of humanity. Not necessarily so on the part of the human. Did you see the Calabi-Yau Space linked to in my previous post? I don't quite understand it, and I'm a dang mathematician. If this is the true nature of things, are we going to start to say - Give me some Calabi-Yau - when things get crowded? Nah, we'll still say, give me some space.

Picture a man, standing to the west as the sun goes down; just visible upon the horizon, casting a far shadow. This is god. Every time we get closer to god - restart the paragraph from the beginning. We got close with Marduk, but it was only shadow. We got close with Yahweh, with Allah; but these too are merely shadow. It does not matter in the least if such a BEING actually exists, what matters is that the concept exists, and the concept unifies.
So what I hear you saying is that the concept of god is what matters, not the actuality of a god? I have heard that god and the physical world are mutually inclusive because without a physical creation god would have no where to experience god's concepts. Therefore we are not seperate from god but are the portion of god that brings concepts to life. The physical world being a place where all probabilities can be played out and experienced in any way we choose. Or as some religious books say, God made into flesh or some such wording.

What people fail to understand is that Naming god God limits god, and is a tool of intolerance. It is using what unifies in a limiting manner to signify those of whom worship the "correct" god. It is merely a way to formulate another type of "us vs them" mentality.

Ain't no "them." There is only us. All of that other stuff is essentially wrong or misinterpreted, and often on purpose. One cannot worship god, nor pay alms to god, nor die for god. There were many functions served in the past by the misapplication of these concepts; but the past is past.
I would have to agree with that. Intolerance and religion seem to go hand and hand imo.
 

skydivephil

Active Member
First of all I support the scientific method, if by that you mean being objective and never assuming. It's one thing to say that since our tools can't measure something, science as it is, cannot gain a higher understanding of or address the subject at hand. It's a completely different approach to say "well since science can't measure it with our tools there's no possibility that it exists." I don't know if you intended to or not but you come across as taking the latter approach and that is what I have been addressing. That line of reasoning is anti scientific and is much closer to that of a fundamentalist christian than to a true scientist.

Im not saying "well since science can't measure it with our tools there's no possibility that it exists."
what I am saying is that if there's no evidence for it there's no reason to believe it . Thats a major difference you need to understand .
If someone accuses someone else of murder, the correct resposnse is not there's no possibility it's true, instead one says i will only accept the claim if there's evdience of it, i will not believe it without evidence. Thats not the same as saying I refuse to acept the possibility of it being true.
Anyhting you can imagine might be true, but without evidence one shouldnt acept that is true, thats what Im saying , please dont make a starw man argument.
 
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