The Problem Of Bad Facts About Guns

[Revoltingest]

I don't care about the many definitions of guns. You and other gun advocates can go nutts on that. .

What's nutts [sic] is not caring about which guns
are regulated in what way. To intentionally see
no difference is to bury one's head in the sand,
& render one incapable of weighing in thoughtfully
on matters of regulation.

 

[suncowiam]

What's nutts [sic] is not caring about which guns
are regulated in what way. To intentionally see
no difference is to bury one's head in the sand,
& render one incapable of weighing in thoughtfully
on matters of regulation.

But you're not quoting my entire post. I do want to see the difference in how destructive each gun is.

So if modifications increase the fire rate or accuracy, hence, increase the kill or destructive rate of guns, then sure. I don't care to get into the technicality of some definitions that do not correlate to the effective kill rate of guns.

Even then, we know that even a simple small caliber hand gun given at close range can enable a mass murderer especially if his intended victims are children.

What facts are needed to discuss that?

[Edited] The relevant fact is that some mad man, was able to easily get his hands on said guns.

 

[Revoltingest]

But you're not quoting my entire post.

I quoted what's relevant to this thread's theme.

 

[suncowiam]

I quoted what's relevant to this thread's theme.

Again, in your perspective...

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, in your perspective...

Duh.
We all post from our own perspectives.

 

[suncowiam]

Duh.
We all post from our own perspectives.

Fine, but I wouldn't say everyone agrees with your perspective on what constitutes as gun facts.

So, since you are really trying very hard to moderate your own thread, then I will simply leave.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I am confident a skilled user of a ,357 Magnum revolver might very well be able to defend himself even against a nearby criminal possessing a fully loaded AR-15.
I doubt there is always an advantage having a semi-auto rifle loaded with thirty shots for attacking an able bodied defender who has a revolver loaded with six shots.

Lol, this is hilarious! If that's the case, why outlaw the AR? Wouldn't a able bodied defender then be able to take out two or more criminals with ARs if he had one himself?

 

[Suave]

Lol, this is hilarious! If that's the case, why outlaw the AR? Wouldn't a able bodied defender then be able to take out two or more criminals with ARs if he had one himself?

"An outright semi auto weapons banning of 200 million existing firearms in America might be impractical. Perhaps we can agree their ownership transfers should be well regulated with universal background checks paid by prospective purchasers being taxed keeping semi auto firearms from being sold to mentally deranged would-be mass shooters. Newly manufactured or imported semi auto weapons could very well be confiscated by federal agents" - Suave, post #131

The reason we should ban the private ownership of newly manufactured semi-auto firearms with high capacity magazines such as AR-15s is in order to reduce the means by which mass shooters perpetrate gun massacres, we should also ban the private ownership of newly manufactured semi-autos in order to gradually reduce mass shooting fatalities.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Start by restricting access to guns to types of people, who have a higher probability of doing gun crimes.

Who is that?
Seems like many of the shooters were already being watched by the FBI, who do nothing.

 

[Wildswanderer]

"An outright semi auto weapons banning of 200 million existing firearms in America might be impractical. Perhaps we can agree their ownership transfers should be well regulated with universal background checks paid by prospective purchasers being taxed keeping semi auto firearms from being sold to mentally deranged would-be mass shooters. Newly manufactured or imported semi auto weapons could very well be confiscated by federal agents" - Suave, post #131

The reason we should ban the private ownership of newly manufactured semi-auto firearms with high capacity magazines such as AR-15s is in order to reduce the means by which mass shooters perpetrate gun massacres, we should also ban the private ownership of newly manufactured semi-autos in order to gradually reduce mass shooting fatalities.

Why would confiscation be ok for one gun and not all? That's a slippery slope.

 

[Truth in love]

The case of Australia (facts from an interview):

"....But, basically, the laws became pretty much uniform across the country. And as part — as you mentioned earlier, as part of that, the ban on semiautomatics, those guns were bought back, so they’re no longer in circulation. And because the law changed at the same time, those — like, sometimes there are buybacks, but the law doesn’t change, so it’s kind of like just mopping the floor while the tap is still on. If you change the law at the same time, then those guns cannot be immediately replaced with similar weapons.

And really, the result has been a spectacular success. We didn’t have another mass shooting incident for almost 25 years. And we just generally have much lower rates of gun violence, and also a lower rate of fear. You know, we don’t think at all about the possibility of being murdered as we go about our daily lives in Australia."

“Enough Was Enough”: How Australia Reformed Its Gun Laws & Ended Mass Shootings After 1996 Massacre | Democracy Now!

I lived in Sydney. Robbers brought power tools to remove bars on windows and doors and would make several trips after they knew the cops had been called. In short a nightmare for good people.

 

[esmith]

"An outright semi auto weapons banning of 200 million existing firearms in America might be impractical. Perhaps we can agree their ownership transfers should be well regulated with universal background checks paid by prospective purchasers being taxed keeping semi auto firearms from being sold to mentally deranged would-be mass shooters. Newly manufactured or imported semi auto weapons could very well be confiscated by federal agents" - Suave, post #131

The reason we should ban the private ownership of newly manufactured semi-auto firearms with high capacity magazines such as AR-15s is in order to reduce the means by which mass shooters perpetrate gun massacres, we should also ban the private ownership of newly manufactured semi-autos in order to gradually reduce mass shooting fatalities.

And how to you intend to determine if someone is "mentally deranged"

Why don't you try a common sense approach to gun violence since we know the following:
from: The type of gun used in most US homicides is not an AR-15
While semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 are a major flashpoint in the gun control debate and are often the focus of attention following mass shootings, there are only about 20 million assault rifles in the United States, a fraction of the estimated 400 million guns in the country. Instead, according to ABC News contributor and former FBI agent Brad Garrett, handguns account for the most gun murders in the U.S.

Given that why not enforce the current laws and stop the revoling door policy of courts when it comes to slap on the wrist policy of many courts when it comes to crimes commited with a firearm.

 

[Suave]

Why would confiscation be ok for one gun and not all? That's a slippery slope.

I'd like the manufacturing of all semi-auto weapons banned, any of these weapons confiscated if found to be made after a designated time they shall not be created!

 

[Suave]

And how to you intend to determine if someone is "mentally deranged"

Why don't you try a common sense approach to gun violence since we know the following:
from: The type of gun used in most US homicides is not an AR-15
While semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 are a major flashpoint in the gun control debate and are often the focus of attention following mass shootings, there are only about 20 million assault rifles in the United States, a fraction of the estimated 400 million guns in the country. Instead, according to ABC News contributor and former FBI agent Brad Garrett, handguns account for the most gun murders in the U.S.

Given that why not enforce the current laws and stop the revoling door policy of courts when it comes to slap on the wrist policy of many courts when it comes to crimes commited with a firearm.

I'm opposed to the future creation of all semi-auto firearms, and not just only AR-15s.

 

[esmith]

I'd like the manufacturing of all semi-auto weapons banned, any of these weapons confiscated if found to be made after a designated time they shall not be created!

you have heard the old saying "wish in one hand............."

 

[esmith]

I'm opposed to the future creation of all semi-auto firearms, and not just only AR-15s.

then I suggest you move to a country with one person rule.

 

[Suave]

you have heard the old saying "wish in one hand............."

Please let us know if you find any machine guns made after 1983.

 

[esmith]

Please let us know if you find any machine guns made after 1983.

Seems to me there are a few MP3's around along with a few other different models, say like the
Negev-5 to name another.
Or just obtain a GCA manufacturer’s license.

 

[Suave]

Seems to me there are a few MP3's around along with a few other different models, say like the
Negev-5 to name another

Good luck finding any fully automatic weapons made after 1986, because they are illegal and will be confiscated if found by federal law enforcement officials!

 

[Suave]

then I suggest you move to a country with one person rule.

There are democratic nations like England or Australia having banned semi-auto weapons.